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[Prudii Aden]

Been away a while. I'm guessing I've not missed anything of importance?

[AgitatedLemon]

@Ieldra-

I see what you mean now, yeah.

I don't think that line will destroy my affection for her character. Then again, I tend to have a very different mindset than most when it comes to interpreting dialogue. At the very least, it offers a different perspective to her backstory.

[ThomGau]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

There's also his tendancy to nickname everyone...and I really wouldn't attempt to try that with Miranda and expect to  survive the reprisal.

Indeed. We all saw what happened to Niket, didn't we ?

[Ieldra]

Prudii Aden wrote...
Been away a while. I'm guessing I've not missed anything of importance?

Sadly, no. No new epic revelations. No concept art, no ME3 screenshots, nothing.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Basically, a complete destruction of everything I ever liked about Miranda in one sentence.

I'd say the jury's out on that. The line could be interpreted that way, as it stands, but I think it will be difficult to do so when all is said and done. However, it is one of the many points that will need scrutiny once the game is out.

She wants Oriana to have those things, but that is nothing new.

Modifié par flemm, 27 janvier 2012 - 07:26 .

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

Wonder how he and Miranda would get along?

Speaking with zero knowledge from the leak, just the featurette about him, Vega made an hard and pragmatic decision during ME2 where he sacrificed his mentor to recover data that could be used against the Collectors.
That would, probrably, be a point in his favor in Miranda's eyes.

[AgitatedLemon]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Basically, a complete destruction of everything I ever liked about Miranda in one sentence.

I'd say the jury's out on that. The line could be interpreted that way, as it stands, but I think it will be difficult to do so when all is said and done. However, it is one of the many points that will need scrutiny once the game is out.

She wants Oriana to have those things, but that is nothing new.

Yeah. She's never attempted to hide her wanting Oriana to have a normal life, so while I can see backlash from some people if Miranda goes "Overboard" with it, it won't be completely out of character.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Basically, a complete destruction of everything I ever liked about Miranda in one sentence.

I'd say the jury's out on that. The line could be interpreted that way, as it stands, but I think it will be difficult to do so when all is said and done. However, it is one of the many points that will need scrutiny once the game is out.

A real flemm post. I could've picked you as its author from three miles away.

You know, I can't remember another time when I wanted so much to be proven an idiot who couldn't see things clearly and was overly fearful. Well, the wait gets 24 hours shorter every day.... less than six weeks now.  

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
A real flemm post. I could've picked you as its author from three miles away.

Merely reading it from that far away would be quite impressive

Ieldra2 wrote...
You know, I can't remember another time when I wanted so much to be proven an idiot who couldn't see things clearly and was overly fearful.

Believe me, I know the feeling

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Basically, a complete destruction of everything I ever liked about Miranda in one sentence.

I'd say the jury's out on that. The line could be interpreted that way, as it stands, but I think it will be difficult to do so when all is said and done. However, it is one of the many points that will need scrutiny once the game is out.

She wants Oriana to have those things, but that is nothing new.

Yeah. She's never attempted to hide her wanting Oriana to have a normal life, so while I can see backlash from some people if Miranda goes "Overboard" with it, it won't be completely out of character.

The problem with the line is that it suggests it's some kind of vicariously living through Oriana, and the suggestion that it's what she most wanted for herself as well. Miranda is exceptional, she should be proud of what she can do - what she has done - and not long to be average. And instead of lamenting about her infertility, she should put her own biomedical expertise to good use and cure or circumvent it, damn it.

In that version, she doesn't ever get the chance, though. Which is sad enough.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 janvier 2012 - 07:37 .

[jtav]

I'm with Ieldra. The pieces of the puzzle are fitting together in a way I don't like--that Miranda is a tragic figure who just wanted to be loved and never really believed Cerberus' goals.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
This is  a little spoilerish, so I made it invisible. No epic revelations though.
I don't have the line extracted (I'm already trying to forget it exists), but it can be interpreted as all that Miranda always wanted was family and children and she was so obsessed with giving Oriana a normal life because she couldn't have one herself. Basically, a complete destruction of everything I ever liked about Miranda in one sentence. You can see the claims people will make about Miranda based on this.

Those lines don't need to, somehow, override everything she said in the previous game. Just because Miranda; at some point, maybe even before she run away; realized that she wanted a family, that doesn't mean we should read it as her work being a way of fulfilling that void unless we are specifically told to do so.
She could have wanted a family and her work at the same time. I don't think anyone can claim that Miranda would stop Oriana from achieving great things in order for her to have a "normal life". It could simply mean that she didn't want her sister to have to shoot to kill, sleep with one eye open and be called a terrorist.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Basically, a complete destruction of everything I ever liked about Miranda in one sentence.

I'd say the jury's out on that. The line could be interpreted that way, as it stands, but I think it will be difficult to do so when all is said and done. However, it is one of the many points that will need scrutiny once the game is out.

She wants Oriana to have those things, but that is nothing new.

Yeah. She's never attempted to hide her wanting Oriana to have a normal life, so while I can see backlash from some people if Miranda goes "Overboard" with it, it won't be completely out of character.

The problem with the line is that it suggests it's some kind of vicariously living through Oriana, and the suggestion that it's what she most wanted for herself as well. Miranda is exceptional, she should be proud of what she can do - what she has done - and not long to be average. And instead of lamenting about her infertility, she should put her own biomedical expertise to good use and cure or circumvent it, damn it.

In that version, she doesn't ever get the chance, though. Which is sad enough.

I may be the only one, but I think a "She just wanted a normal life, but couldn't" scenario would be quite touching (And a tad tragic), if handled properly. I don't ever recall her actually wanting ot be normal though. I don't consider her envying what "normal" people can do to be actually longing for normalcy.

I agree with you all the way on the infertility bit though.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 27 janvier 2012 - 07:41 .

[jtav]

MisterJB's version is how I'm choosing to take it. It's possible, too, that this Miranda is meant to be tragic and broken in a way other versions are not. It could be quite neatly solved just by having her do something awesome in the endgame.

[flemm]

Well, MisterJB, while I don't deny that what you say is essentially true, which regard to how the lines could be interpreted, that would be more like an attempt to salvage the situation.

What I meant above is more that my best assessment of the info we have is that the story is simply not going in that direction, and therefore such salvaging will not be necessary.

I could be wrong, though. Sadly, that is always a possibility

Modifié par flemm, 27 janvier 2012 - 07:44 .

[Ieldra]

@MisterJB:
We may be putting too much significance into one line, but this is the death scene after all, it will be read as important. What's needed to balance it is a focus on Miranda's professional, mission-focused, big-picture-oriented side, the things we're currently missing.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
MisterJB's version is how I'm choosing to take it. It's possible, too, that this Miranda is meant to be tragic and broken in a way other versions are not. It could be quite neatly solved just by having her do something awesome in the endgame.

That's what I meant when I said I get the feeling we're supposed to treat Miranda as two different people in the different versions of her story arc. That way the writers can have their redemption scenario while we can have our awesome achieve-the-impossible Miranda.

[wright1978]

Vega & Miranda. No i don't think they'd get along particularly well but i may be biased since my vibes are that i'm going to dislike him.

Not a fan of that line either. Really hoping there's alot more to come from a not dead Miranda. I'm trying to stay on the positive side of the rails currently though as being depressed about a game i'm counting down the days to wasn't doing me any good.

[jtav]

The interesting thing is that it's not OOC. A Miranda who didn't speak with Oriana really comes off as a self-hating wretch who's real reason for staying away has more to do with the belief she's no good for her sister.

[AgitatedLemon]

Does anyone else get the vibe that they put a LOT more effort into her death and the following dialogues than they did her living?

[Swaggacide]

Do you guys view romanced Miriam completely different person compared to just normal Miranda? And if how so how different would you say they are

[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

Do you guys view romanced Miriam completely different person compared to just normal Miranda? And if how so how different would you say they are

Not "completely" different, but very noticeably different. She still has the pragmatic stance on a lot of things and is still very professional, but she acknowledges her emotions much more if romanced.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

The interesting thing is that it's not OOC. A Miranda who didn't speak with Oriana really comes off as a self-hating wretch who's real reason for staying away has more to do with the belief she's no good for her sister.

What I really would like to see is Oriana come into her own as a character. While Miranda might want her to have a chance at a normal life I'd like to see Oriana come right back and tell Miranda that its her choice to make what she does with that chance. Basically, she tells Miranda to get her head on straight so she can go show TIM what happens when you mess with their family.

I wrote something that uses this scenario, but be warned reading it comes with spoilers.

[AgitatedLemon]

@Doc-

I would like a scenario like that as well. For more reasons than the ones you pointed out, too.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 27 janvier 2012 - 08:27 .

[ClanMacNab]

This has probably already been asked a dozen times, but how many here have preordered ME3?

I don't normally preorder games but EA sent me 15% discount code because of some problems I've been having with DLC and points/profile screwups. Can't bring myself to use the code yet because the problems still haven't been resolved after almost two weeks. Still have about three weeks to use that code at the Origin store.