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[ClanMacNab]

Sort of fits the last couple of pages. Hopefully civility will return...

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:15 .

[Td1984]

Jack had better watch out. Miranda just might bite that finger off.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I just Hugged Miri. It was a Beautiful and Romantic Moment which I WILL FOREVER L<3VE:wub:!

I may sound a bit soft, but I don't care.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[schemata]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I know. But I got the hang of it before drawing Miri. I'm proud of that drawing. My Passion as a Mirimancer/Mirimaniac helped me VERY MUCH so.

Your art gets immensely better when you care about what you are creating.

And I googled Yvonne for reference, and wow, does that woman have a beautiful smile.  I really, really wish they'd done a mo-cap of it.  Her whole face just lights up.  It's awesome.

OH YEAH! And THIS is MY Drawing of Yvonne I drew with Pencil like more than a year ago:

just wow. you are an incredible artist.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Thanks!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:42 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Playing through Grunt's recruitment mission again really makes me think that there was a missed oppertunity with Okeer. His research into creating a perfect Krogan and the way that he threw away all of the results that he deemed as failures draws parallels to Miranda's own origins having him on board could have really given us insight into Miranda's relationship with her father based off of her interaction with Okeer.

That and a loyalty conflict between the two of them would be better than the one with her and Jack.

[schemata]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Playing through Grunt's recruitment mission again really makes me think that there was a missed oppertunity with Okeer. His research into creating a perfect Krogan and the way that he threw away all of the results that he deemed as failures draws parallels to Miranda's own origins having him on board could have really given us insight into Miranda's relationship with her father based off of her interaction with Okeer.

That and a loyalty conflict between the two of them would be better than the one with her and Jack.

money.

It's funny the insight people can have after seeing the game as much as we all probably have.  I completely agree here.  Well with one beef, I did kind of think the Jack and Miranda conflict wasn't out of place.  Ok so maybe thats not really what your saying anyway, my bad. But to get back to this point, I don't think they intended, or see the connection between okeer and grunt, and mirandas father and miranda.  But it's there hardcore.

infact this post is effin brilliant. that is all.

[schemata]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Playing through Grunt's recruitment mission again really makes me think that there was a missed oppertunity with Okeer. His research into creating a perfect Krogan and the way that he threw away all of the results that he deemed as failures draws parallels to Miranda's own origins having him on board could have really given us insight into Miranda's relationship with her father based off of her interaction with Okeer.

That and a loyalty conflict between the two of them would be better than the one with her and Jack.

Took a second to mull this over I can see why they might have thought about taking this road but decided against it.  I think mirandas writing and position in Me2 somewhat eclipses some of the game already; and by adding more depth I think miranda wouldve ended up pulling away from the rest of the crew much more that she already does if they implemented this plot. If thats even a complaint,or a problem? 

That does bring me to the thought that I do believe both mordin and miranda were extremely well written and pulled away from the story on their own.  Mordins personality and character are top notch, a true renegade/pragmatic character who blew their flimsy paragon/renegade mechanics out of the water. And well, we all have our own opinion on miranda. I kind of curious however, who wrote miranda's story, and who wrote mordins? Or what would be really cool is a list of the authors and what me characters were assigned to who.  (I only ask, cause Im pretty sure a few of you would know w/o investigating)

[Dr. Doctor]

On Grunt's LM he's outright told that because he was engineered he isn't a real Krogan, unless Wrex or Wreave say otherwise he's shunned from Krogan society. None of this strikes a chord with Miranda and that's a shame.

That and after getting Grunt's tank Miranda has this line:

"That Krogan was created and likely educated by a madman." if the tables were turned couldn't the same thing be said about Miranda?

[schemata]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On Grunt's LM he's outright told that because he was engineered he isn't a real Krogan, unless Wrex or Wreave say otherwise he's shunned from Krogan society. None of this strikes a chord with Miranda and that's a shame.

That and after getting Grunt's tank Miranda has this line:

"That Krogan was created and likely educated by a madman." if the tables were turned couldn't the same thing be said about Miranda?

more money!

[schemata]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On Grunt's LM he's outright told that because he was engineered he isn't a real Krogan, unless Wrex or Wreave say otherwise he's shunned from Krogan society. None of this strikes a chord with Miranda and that's a shame.

That and after getting Grunt's tank Miranda has this line:

"That Krogan was created and likely educated by a madman." if the tables were turned couldn't the same thing be said about Miranda?

Not much to add to this insight, but it makes ya think. My initial thought was that it was highly hypocritical, but after some more thought I can see it now.  I don't really want to throw out deep pyschological rationale, but I could see how she may not realize she's actually damning her own existence. It almost ties into her sister, as their both genetically the same right? So she may see herself in her sister and is doing everything in her power to give her sister, or in some sense, herself a normal life. Which then can be applied to Grunt, "That Krogan was created and likely educated by a madman" she might realize these parallels and if shep says the krogan may be worth it anyway- in a sense reaffirm her as a person as well. In some weird ass-quasi philosphical way. Or something.  If you can pull out what im trying to say here, bravo.

[MisterJB]

It was a tremendous waste. That storyline has near endless potential.
Just think of how much better ME2 could have been if they had just reduced the size of the squad. And chances are it will be impossible to have two ME2 squadmates on the same room in ME3.*sigh*

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 janvier 2012 - 06:40 .

[Ieldra]

I agree it was a tremendous waste not to explore the parallels between Miranda and Grunt. I can't believe for a second they didn't see it at Bioware. It's so obvious that it hits you in the face.

But then, apparently they also didn't see that a team of 12 disposable characters would create problems in ME3. That's just incredible....

[Spanky Magoo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I agree it was a tremendous waste not to explore the parallels between Miranda and Grunt. I can't believe for a second they didn't see it at Bioware. It's so obvious that it hits you in the face.

But then, apparently they also didn't see that a team of 12 disposable characters would create problems in ME3. That's just incredible....

Yeah I brought that up a few pages ago somewhere, Grunt ( pre LM ) Talks about how he was grown from thousands more worthy and how there was no strength in ignoring what made him. Miranda though embraced her genetic enhancements and used them to forge her own place with in cerberus. I think it would have been nice for a little scene but I think it comes back to Grunt, I dont think he is the sharing his feelings type lol.

Could you imagine though. Shepard walks into Mirandas office and shes sitting there patting that big krogan on the back telling him it will all be alright while hes sitting there sobbing. Paints an interesting picture.

 

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...
Right. But considering she's already thrown a Cerberus goon squad at him under the (correct) assumption it will fail, I need an alternate method.

So, the point is for Miranda to make it look like she is trying to kill without actually placing him in mortal danger?

Read "Ghost in the Machine", MisterJB. It will all make sense.

As for how Miranda would try to kill Shepard, that's a really interesting question. Poison is out - remember Arrival? Garrotte? Nope. Even if you get him unarmored, the Heavy Skin Weave won't let you. I think a trapped room with intense heat is the best option. Incendiary explosives, burning metal, that kind of thing. And a swarm of nano-disassemblers that eat away the armor. Since she doesn't *really* want to kill him, she could try to leave the technical specifications of the nanomachines for Liara/SB to find so that - totally surprising - they won't work against the armor when Shepard arrives. Armored Shepard (he'd also wear a helmet of course) has a good chance of surviving the rest.

Edit:
I just read CrutchCricket's post. Hacking Shepard's cybernetics would be a nice addition though it should be difficult even for her, otherwise more of his enemies would've done it before. Maybe...hmm....she may not have installed a control chip at Lazarus, but maybe she left a backdoor for hacking the cybernetics, just in case? And even better, that could be used for attacking, but also for making contact or giving secret hints. If her restrictions permit.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 janvier 2012 - 09:11 .

[Afrothunda]

I have been freaking out about this, I hope this helps if she isn't a squadmate. I endorse this thread:D
<3<3<3MIRANDA<3<3<3

[OSE Killer]

First time poster, but without having to read all 1247 pages... Lol. What information if any did bioware provide on Miranda for mass effect 3?

If still true that she's not a squad mate, I'm kinda upset about that.

I replayed one all over again so I would not have romanced anyone, just to be faithful to Miranda.

[Burneye Is God]

schemata wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I know. But I got the hang of it before drawing Miri. I'm proud of that drawing. My Passion as a Mirimancer/Mirimaniac helped me VERY MUCH so.

Your art gets immensely better when you care about what you are creating.

And I googled Yvonne for reference, and wow, does that woman have a beautiful smile.  I really, really wish they'd done a mo-cap of it.  Her whole face just lights up.  It's awesome.

OH YEAH! And THIS is MY Drawing of Yvonne I drew with Pencil like more than a year ago:

just wow. you are an incredible artist.

WOW

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I agree it was a tremendous waste not to explore the parallels between Miranda and Grunt. I can't believe for a second they didn't see it at Bioware. It's so obvious that it hits you in the face.

I fully agree with this.

As two "perfect specimens" of their respective species, it would have been great to see such a thing happening ...
Grunt is entirely proud of his enhancements as opposed to Miranda who doesn't take credit for her brilliant achievements because of them .
She could have had another outlook on her gifts from Grunt . Perhaps she would have started to embrace them . In any case, I hope she will in ME3 .

Modifié par ThomGau, 28 janvier 2012 - 01:55 .

[co_kkie]

schemata wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I know. But I got the hang of it before drawing Miri. I'm proud of that drawing. My Passion as a Mirimancer/Mirimaniac helped me VERY MUCH so.

Your art gets immensely better when you care about what you are creating.

And I googled Yvonne for reference, and wow, does that woman have a beautiful smile.  I really, really wish they'd done a mo-cap of it.  Her whole face just lights up.  It's awesome.

OH YEAH! And THIS is MY Drawing of Yvonne I drew with Pencil like more than a year ago:

just wow. you are an incredible artist.

Yvonne :O<3:wub:

[Ieldra]

OSE Killer wrote...
First time poster, but without having to read all 1247 pages... Lol. What information if any did bioware provide on Miranda for mass effect 3?

If still true that she's not a squad mate, I'm kinda upset about that.

I replayed one all over again so I would not have romanced anyone, just to be faithful to Miranda.

Be upset. She's not on the team. Unfortunately. It's not completely impossible she'll join at some point late in the game. but it does not appear likely.

Bioware has been extremely close-mouthed with regard to MIranda. All offcial information you'll find in the OP. Inofficial information - huge spoilers included - you'll find in the spoiler group (linked in my sig), where the Miranda-related part of the leaked (but outdated) game script is discussed.

Edit:
And I forgot to say welcome! Nice to see a new face.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 janvier 2012 - 03:45 .

[CrutchCricket]

You know, I mentioned this possibility before but if she's a temp squadmate that means she will have squad coding. Which means you might be able to get a mod to get her on the squad for missions other than her own. It does nothing for her content or your canon. But if she's as good in combat as she was in ME2 that's still something.

[jtav]

Unfortunately, it appears there are no temps as such.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Unfortunately, it appears there are no temps as such.

It appears so. Were it otherwise, someone would've unearthed a power list until now.

[ClanMacNab]

ThomGau wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I agree it
was a tremendous waste not to explore the parallels between Miranda and
Grunt. I can't believe for a second they didn't see it at Bioware. It's
so obvious that it hits you in the face.

I fully agree with this.

As two "perfect specimens" of their respective species, it would have been great to see such a thing happening ...
Grunt is entirely proud of his enhancements as opposed to Miranda who doesn't take credit for her brilliant achievements because of them .
She could have had another outlook on her gifts from Grunt . Perhaps she would have started to embrace them . In any case, I hope she will in ME3
.

One of the reasons I like to pair Miranda and Grunt together, maybe wistfully wishing they'll rub off onto one-another a bit.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 28 janvier 2012 - 03:52 .