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[ViSeiRa]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I vote for adding Miranda acting as a femme fatale to the wishlist.

What for? Would this boost up her character delevopment in the story, specifically the Romance?

Check my last reply, also it'd give her a very different development boost, we saw her as a scientest [read: Lazarus Project] and as a field operative [read: suicide mission], now we need to see her as an undercover operative using whatever skills necessary to accomplish her goals, they might just suggest the action and leave it to the player to determine whether to find out more or accept it as it is and move on.

[jtav]

Agreed with Ieldra. It would be all about jealousy and ego stroking.

[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...
Also, it could make for an interesting relationship development if say Shepard saw Miranda in a compromising situation, some Shepards might have an issue with it, some might not and a friction in the romance can go on from there with very exciting possibilities... more importantly if such thing ever comes to pass in the game I don't want Miranda to put her relationship with Shepard ahead of the mission, if it requires she sleeps with someone to get the job done she'll do it no matter what Shepard thinks of it, it'll offer an opportunity where Shepard isn't the one leading the romance but for once on the receaving end.

I'd prefer if it didn't go that far that she had to, if only for the majority's comfort.

Yes, she should not let Shepard's misplaced jealousy get in the way of the mission. But I don't want to see that conflict in the first place because I can assure you: that's exactly how they'd write it. Stroking the player's ego comes before all other considerations.

Which is precisely why I prefer Dragon Age style relationships over Mass Effect's, Morrigan for example will immediately break up with you if you mention that you're in love with her, you can't pursue romance with Leliana if you call her out on her belief in the maker... I say we need to give all romance characters in ME an out, I hated that only Shepard gets to break up with the romances in ME, more so the "if you're still interested" dialogue... and I agree that going that far will alienate a lot of fans but these are the hard choices that can make a story or a character great as opposed to just good, I'd like it either way... that if such idea is considered by the writers in the first place.

[ViSeiRa]

g2g guys, would love to continue discussion on that issue some other time :-)

[jtav]

I also think she needs lots of character development outside the romance.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I hope for the best in ME3. Miri is the only LI I have in the Series.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 juin 2011 - 09:27 .

[wright1978]

I'm sure Miranda has used the seductive edge her body gives her in the past. Happy for past actions to come to surface in ME3 and for them to show her using her wiles to a degree but not to the extremes that some on here want. I do think the relationship that has developed between my Shepard and Miranda should have an constraint on that sort of extreme action with consultation.

[naledgeborn]

wright1978 wrote...

I'm sure Miranda has used the seductive edge her body gives her in the past. Happy for past actions to come to surface in ME3 and for them to show her using her wiles to a degree but not to the extremes that some on here want. I do think the relationship that has developed between my Shepard and Miranda should have an constraint on that sort of extreme action with consultation.

Like Isabela asking for Hawke's permission to rape Zevran. LOL, that was a nice touch.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 30 juin 2011 - 10:03 .

[jtav]

Ah, there is nothing like the first few minutes of the game to soothe a jaded Miranda fan. I love her, I really do.

[TheMarshal]

jtav wrote...

I also think she needs lots of character development outside the romance.

I think every character could do with some non-romance character development.

[OrumRod]

I've been reading about this "femme fatale" thing and since i haven't read any of the comic books i wouldn't like Miranda sleeping with random males just to get what she wants; i think seduction is alright but not sex or she would seem like a **** to me and that's not the Miranda i met in ME2.
Miranda is very intelligent and powerful enough to get everything she wants without having to sleep with everyone.

[OrumRod]

I'm sorry i wrote a bad word, english is not my native lenguage and i didn't realize the word i used was a rude word.

[Ieldra]

Don't worry about it, OrumRod. This site is rather extreme with its censoring of words.

About that you said:
We are in agreement. Though we are not speaking about "random males", but about designated targets for a covert operation. I think she would go that far if she needed to, but indeed she usually wouldn't need to, and the "femme fatale" aspect is better served if she doesn't. It's all about manipulating with words, gestures and body language.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 juillet 2011 - 05:16 .

[13commander]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Don't worry about it, OrumRod. This site is rather extreme with its censoring of words. 

About that you said:
We are in agreement. Though we are not speaking about "random males", but about designated targets for a covert operation. I think she would go that far if she needed to, but indeed she usually wouldn't need to, and the "femme fatale" aspect is better served if she doesn't. It's all about manipulating with words, gestures and body language.

^^^^
This

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

jtav wrote...
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I also want to see Miranda the femme fatale who can control men with barely more than a raised eyebrow.

I'd like that, but it has to be done just right otherwise Miri will look cheap.

[ParadoxAu]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I think she would go that far if she needed to, but indeed she usually wouldn't need to, and the "femme fatale" aspect is better served if she doesn't. It's all about manipulating with words, gestures and body language.

Exactly, a Femme Fatale plotline is much better served if it doesn't go proceed that far. It should be focused on the seduction of the target, manipulating his desires until he is vulnerable.. But ultimately NOT proceeding that far.

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

I'd like that, but it has to be done just right otherwise Miri will look cheap.

Precisely, writing a good femme fatale plot is an incredibly fine line. A Femme fatale needs to be about control through seduction and manipulation.. If that desire is satisfied, then a great deal of that control and indeed the characteristics of a Femme Fatale is lost.

If they made Miranda go that far, It would really ruin the plot for me.

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 01 juillet 2011 - 10:28 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

jtav wrote...
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I also want to see Miranda the femme fatale who can control men with barely more than a raised eyebrow.

Or a close up of her butt~

[Ieldra]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

jtav wrote...
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I also want to see Miranda the femme fatale who can control men with barely more than a raised eyebrow.

Or a close up of her butt~

For a man who could be controlled by that alone, it wouldn't need a Miranda to manipulate him. Even her victims should have *some* style

[Sebby]

It's too bad that Miranda's "femme fatale" trait is just superficial like Jacob's alleged "stabilization".

[Repearized Miranda]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

jtav wrote...
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I also want to see Miranda the femme fatale who can control men with barely more than a raised eyebrow.

Or a close up of her butt~

For a man who could be controlled by that alone, it wouldn't need a Miranda to manipulate him. Even her victims should have *some* style

Or perhaps this:



Payback's a b*tch, isn't it?

[jtav]

I think the number one thing that would benefit Miranda is for the writers to use more nuance and subtlety and to stop using the romances to feed player egos.

[naledgeborn]

Too is subtle isn't necessarily good either. I was reminded of this everytime I took her to the Human Reaper Larva fight.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I think the number one thing that would benefit Miranda is for the writers to use more nuance and subtlety and to stop using the romances to feed player egos.

Exactly. The DAO romances were much better in that. It felt like you had to earn them. In the ME games you don't need to do anything and the prospective LIs will throw themselves at you.

As for subtlely, I guess resource limits and the "players are morons" attitude might be responsible for the lack of that. If you're subtle, you need more time to develop the same things. The main thing Miranda's relationship with Shepard needed - romantic or not - was more time to let it develop in a more natural progression. Then there would have been a place for more subtlely.

Perhaps now that we have a relationship going, it's possible to throw some more subtle stuff in. One can always hope.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What are you all saying, before I just assume.....?

Are you saying that the romance should develop more for ME3? Are you saying that there was a lack of development in ME2?

What about those who have a relationship with her? Do ANY of you WANT it to progress? Or do you want the complete opposite? If so why? That's a little selfish, especially for those who want it to progress for the better.

There are other things that other people want to see.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 01 juillet 2011 - 02:24 .

[naledgeborn]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

What are you all saying, before I just assume.....?

Are you saying that the romance should develop more for ME3? Are you saying that there was a lack of development in ME2?

What about those who have a relationship with her? Do ANY of you WANT it to progress? Or do you want the complete opposite? If so why? That's a little selfish, especially for those who want it to progress for the better.

There are other things that other people want to see.

You have a dire lack of common sense. I apologize in advance to jtav, Ieldra and the other regulars. I know my trolling is getting old, but so is 101's attention seeking  

You should ask yourself "out of the regular visitors. who in the Miranda support thread would not want her romance path to continue?". Once you've answered that feel free to edit your post. And with that I will no longer reply to your stupid posts.