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[ThomGau]

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

There is little info to be had, inconsequential or otherwise. There is the leak, if you're in the mood to overreact over old information.

Always an enjoyable experience

Yes it is ... most definitely !

[CrutchCricket]

I'll take your word for it;)

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
There is little info to be had, inconsequential or otherwise. There is the leak, if you're in the mood to overreact over old information. Kudos for avoiding it though Magoo.

It still needs to be proven that it's outdated enough to make a significant difference to the end product.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 février 2012 - 02:07 .

[CrutchCricket]

Well, not much longer before we find out one way or another.

[PretaxAle95]

there are pictures of miranda in Mass Effect 3?

Modifié par PretaxAle95, 01 février 2012 - 02:27 .

[CrutchCricket]

No there are no pictures yet.

[husky husk]

Going to play Miranda's LM soon for my canon run, can't decide if I want to let her talk to Oriana or not. I will contemplate while vigorusly listening to Pink Floyd. Any insight would be nice.

[nelly21]

husky husk wrote...

Going to play Miranda's LM soon for my canon run, can't decide if I want to let her talk to Oriana or not. I will contemplate while vigorusly listening to Pink Floyd. Any insight would be nice.

Some may disagree with me, but I really can't see the downside to letting her talk to Oriana. In fact, if you don't mind metagaming, opening up the communication between Miranda and Oriana might be useful since depending on your end game decision, TIM may very well be going after Miranda in ME 3.

[CrutchCricket]

husky husk wrote...

Going to play Miranda's LM soon for my canon run, can't decide if I want to let her talk to Oriana or not. I will contemplate while vigorusly listening to Pink Floyd. Any insight would be nice.

I'm listening to Pink Floyd now. So I think we're approaching the same range of wavelength.
Now then, the benefits of Miranda talking to Oriana are obvious, they'll both be happier. The cons people here will argue is that doing so is a security threat, that talking to Oriana is exposing her further. I disagree. The case can be made that she already knows enough to be "exposed". As well, if her father got this close once, he can do so again. Niket doesn't tell him where he's going but that doesn't mean Lawson didn't have him or his Eclipse mercs followed.

So I say talk to Oriana. It's worth it.

[Ieldra]

nelly21 wrote...

husky husk wrote...

Going to play Miranda's LM soon for my canon run, can't decide if I want to let her talk to Oriana or not. I will contemplate while vigorusly listening to Pink Floyd. Any insight would be nice.

Some may disagree with me, but I really can't see the downside to letting her talk to Oriana. In fact, if you don't mind metagaming, opening up the communication between Miranda and Oriana might be useful since depending on your end game decision, TIM may very well be going after Miranda in ME 3.

I've always encouraged her to talk to Oriana. If I occasionally entertain the thought of not doing so, then only because it might result in a less Oriana-focused Miranda in ME3. I and others worry that "Miranda the competent operative who works for advancing humanity" will be replaced by a version who mostly cares about personal matters.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 février 2012 - 03:11 .

[jtav]

Actually, the con I would argue is that this has a good chance of going very badly on an emotional level for both. Oriana's was a closed adoption, and has expressed no interest that we know of in her biological family. Having a stranger just show up and claim to be her sister could be a disaster. And Miranda is walking to her likely death. What happens if they do bond, and Miranda dies almost immediately?

And I have metagame reasons to find Renegade desirable here.

[ThomGau]

Despite the fact that it might jeopardize Oriana's life, as Miranda says the less she knows the better, I always encourage her to talk to her sister.
I want Miranda to be happy and if Shepard can somehow help her with that, I'm even more glad

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Actually, the con I would argue is that this has a good chance of going very badly on an emotional level for both. Oriana's was a closed adoption, and has expressed no interest that we know of in her biological family. Having a stranger just show up and claim to be her sister could be a disaster. And Miranda is walking to her likely death. What happens if they do bond, and Miranda dies almost immediately?

And I have metagame reasons to find Renegade desirable here.

Key words underlined. To say nothing of the fact that even if one was adopted and never bothered thinking about their origins, it doesn't mean they would automatically reject any information about it, much less dismiss someone claiming to be biologically related. The reunion wouldn't necessarily be happy but neither would it be "a disaster".
Miranda going towards potential death is a stronger point. Jury's out on whether it's better to know a sister only briefly as opposed to never knowing her at all, particularly when she's done so much for you.

I'm almost afraid to ask what metagame reason you could have. But I think both sisters deserve that little bit of contact.

[Ieldra]

@CrutchCricket:
I guess jtav's metagame reasons are the same as mine (see the post above hers). I didn't follow-up on them yet, but I've moved Miranda's LM to the latest possible slot (after Reaper IFF) in my latest ME2 run, in case I need to replay it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 février 2012 - 04:16 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I'm almost afraid to ask what metagame reason you could have. But I think both sisters deserve that little bit of contact.

Basically, what's being referred to here is the mildy spoilery fact that...


The decision at the end of Miranda's LM seems to tweek her dialog/motivations somewhat in ME3. Basically, more emotional and Oriana-centric if she speaks to her sister. Less so if she doesn't.

I think it's a pretty clever choice, actually, but perhaps mildly irksome to some in that some fans who like a less emotional Miranda also like to encourage her to talk to Oriana.

Modifié par flemm, 01 février 2012 - 04:21 .

[jtav]

Yeah, with respect, the controller there should have been whether she shot Niket. I'm betting you'd find a much stronger correlation between people who like a less emotional Miranda and people that let her shoot Niket.

[flemm]

I agree that it's possible you might get a clearer statistical split that way, because it's really hard to not encourage Miranda to talk to Oriana, whereas not intervening with Niket is easy. Not sure it would actually be better design, though. The Oriana choice feels much more significant, for the character and for the player.

In passing, it will be somewhat interesting to see what is the default for non-imported games.

Modifié par flemm, 01 février 2012 - 04:34 .

[jtav]

Well, there was a shot in the leaked beta suggesting multiple defaults. My guess is that most of those defaults will result in a dead Miranda.

[CrutchCricket]

Funny I prevent her shooting Niket precisely because that's emotional overload. In any case this argument seems overcompensating to me. I get the professional desire but Oriana and Shepard (if romancing) are supposed to be the exceptions, the gaps in the icy armor if you will. The problem as I understand it isn't too much emotion on those fronts but rather not enough exhibition of the professional. Trying to modify the former isn't fixing the latter. It might tip the net amount if you want to look at it like a ratio but that's a cheap victory (if that) and not worth the price.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 01 février 2012 - 04:39 .

[Skullheart]

Well, only two of my Shepards didn't encourage her to tal with Oriana.

The first was because he was a pure renegade Shepard.

The second for meta-gaming, he is a spacer/sole survivor. He apreciates family, but he doesn't Oriana to met Miranda to right before her potential death.

And I'm eagger to see how can be their first encounter in ME3. It was emotional with her father as a distant threat on Ilium. I bet it could be more emotional in the spoiler location.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Well, there was a shot in the leaked beta suggesting multiple defaults. My guess is that most of those defaults will result in a dead Miranda.

Wait, what?

[jtav]

There was a shot of an options screen with Default #1, #2, etc. I think there were four in all.

[Skullheart]

@jtav

You mean that a new game (not import) in ME3 won't have a Miranda (died during the SM) or she will have an unavoidable death in ME3 (not loyal Miranda during ME2)

[jtav]

The content of those defaults would be pure speculation on my part. My guess is that she'd end up dead in most because they really seem to be pushing her death in the script. But I think there will be one relatively positive default as well.

[CrutchCricket]

Wrex is dead in ME2 by default if you don't import. So there is precedent.