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[Skullheart]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

You guys are too pessimistic. You're all making it even ME look as if I'm the most optimistic person here.<_<

Somebody has to be the realist/pessimist.


Edit. Top of the page... it needs a pic.

Modifié par Skullheart, 02 février 2012 - 01:30 .

[shepard1038]

jtav wrote...

Overall, I found it an excellent script. It's Miranda specifically that bothers me.

Glad to see i am not  the only one that like the script, and yeah I agree with you on that
last one.

[flemm]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

You guys are too pessimistic. You're all making it even ME look as if I'm the most optimistic person here.<_<

Probably you or Crutch

Like I said earlier, I think it's best to reserve judgment for the moment, but it's not like I have anything real concrete to offer in support of that. The script is pretty authoritative, and doubtless accurate for the most part.

Modifié par flemm, 02 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[ClanMacNab]

MisterJB wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I think Yvonne Strahovski did an amazing job bringing Miranda life to in ME2 and, should she be replaced, it would take me quite a few playthrough before I adapted to the new actress.

However, like jtav already explained, it is a possiblity that keeping Yvonne as the VO negativelly affected Miranda's role. And, if I have to choose between having what Miranda says be voiced by Yvonne or Miranda simply having more to say, I know what my choice is.

I think I already mentioned that somewhere else...

[spirosz]

Where did all this negativity come from? Only thing I can really say is wait till you play the game. I'm not saying the game will meet what your expectations are, but I'm sure Miranda will have a fitting role for her character. Me personally, I believe she can work well on or off the Normandy because of who she is and what she represents in the Mass Effect universe. She doesn't necessarily need to be on the Normandy to express her importance or develop in the right way, as other characters.

Though I do agree with the whole Diana situation, I'm still open to her because I have yet to play the game. She might be a great add to the Normandy, she might not, but it's not right to give her such a negative view without giving her a chance. I do understand that you guys would rather have her on the Normandy, as do I, but I still have the view that she is better off pursing her own goals that eventually tie in with the Reaper threat, since she can technically be another "Shepard" in a sense because of her leadership and combat abilities.

Hopefully this thread explodes with positivity on March 6th!!

[ClanMacNab]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well Mordin's VA was cut, I wouldn't be surprised if it was due to budget constraints (and the fact that his voice is altered, meaning you can get someone else, charge them less and just edit their voice in Sound Forge or something to get as close to the old Mordin as possible)

Crazy I know, but that's what I thought

...not an unrealistic assumption.

[jtav]

We're not negative because she's not on the Normandy. We're negative because her Cerberus connection has been largely swept aside and she's almost exclusively focused on personal issues.

[Skullheart]

Regarding Diana... One of my Shepards can expect some collateral damage. Don't send a hot reporterto do the job of a war correspondent.

Modifié par Skullheart, 02 février 2012 - 01:35 .

[flemm]

Well, to be clear, Miranda's role in the script is... crap. Completely indefensible. That is the truth. So, it's no mystery as to why people aren't happy about that.

Modifié par flemm, 02 février 2012 - 01:39 .

[PMC65]

MisterJB wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

This thread has gone to hell in a handbasket.

Not one person here as played the game and yet you would never know it by the postings.

I'm sure people said the same thing before ME2 regarding the VS and Liara.

But I was not one of them.

For me it's all about the story ... ME2 forced me to craft my story in a different way ... But that was good because I do not want Bioware to tell "my" story. I want them to challenge me with new characters, new paths and how they (not me) sees where these characters go in ME3. If telling "your" story is all-important there is fan fiction.

If ME3 had been my story then Liara would not have joined the Normandy nor anyone else not Alliance. But I am not the only person playing the game and what I want would make 98% of the gamers unhappy. The ME3 team has a challenge in telling Shepard's (not Miranda's, Liara's, Thane's, etc) story and that can splinter in alot of directions. How well they do this is yet to be seen. 

I'll wait until the game is released, play it, digest what I just saw, play it again, marinate a little and then start to process how I like, dislike the final product. 

Miranda will be in the game. Yvonne will voice her. How the story goes has yet to be seen. Will everyone be happy? No. Will there be people complaining? Yes! I still think there were things that Miranda did in ME2 that made me think "what crap"! But I accepted it, rethought how it might fit her character and moved on. I am sure that ME3 will challenge me again.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

We're not negative because she's not on the Normandy. We're negative because her Cerberus connection has been largely swept aside and she's almost exclusively focused on personal issues.

So? At Least she is in the damn game. Can't you all be happy about that? <_<

I know I am, and I cannot wait to see her.

[MisterJB]

spiros9110 wrote...

Where did all this negativity come from?

Yesterday, jtav found a convo in the leak where Kelly Chambers explains, in great detail mind you, the circunstances that lead her to joining Cerberus as well as her particular feelings towards The Illusive Man. It's very well written with Kelly managing to become a much more complex character, introducing greyness to Cerberus, questioning her and Shepard's decision to leave the organization with her actual lines of dialogue filling small paragraphs.

Then it hit us: Miranda has none of this or so small that is barely worth mentioning.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 février 2012 - 01:46 .

[spirosz]

jtav wrote...

We're not negative because she's not on the Normandy. We're negative because her Cerberus connection has been largely swept aside and she's almost exclusively focused on personal issues.

Well war ends up being pretty personal, don't you think. She's going to have mixed feelings in regards to what she wants in life, especially with the whole Reaper threat. Who says she won't pursue her original goals after the war (if it ends well), to me, that's what makes the ME universe great. It's so expansive with such deep characters like Miranda, that can never truly know what she wants. Sometimes in people's lives, they think they truly know what they're doing, but then something drastic happens (like Miranda with Oriana and the Reapers) that they start questioning what their believes and goals. I don't know, I guess I have a different perspective with Miranda, but I understand the concerns.

[ClanMacNab]

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Err, I think Kieth David gets payed way more, I mean he's not exactly new to the business (movie or VA) compared to Yvonne.

True. Also Martin Sheen. Can't believe I forgot him:blush:

How much the expensive VAs cost respectively is not really the relevant point. However, since for the moment there's no particular reason to believe this was a factor in Miranda's case, I'm more than happy to leave it at that.

One of the things I like about Martin Sheen: He's willing to play a role for damn near free if it's the right one. I wish more actors had this work ethic.

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

jtav wrote...

We're not negative because she's not on the Normandy. We're negative because her Cerberus connection has been largely swept aside and she's almost exclusively focused on personal issues.

So? At Least she is in the damn game. Can't you all be happy about that? <_<

I know I am, and I cannot wait to see her.

Most of us don't love Miranda unconditionally, 101.
Sure, I will have a child like enthusiasm when I see her for the first time in ME3 (will probrably squee a lot too). But if her role is exactly as it is depicted in the leak, the dissapointment will be far too great for me to enjoy her presence in ME3.

[shepard1038]

MisterJB wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

jtav wrote...

We're not negative because she's not on the Normandy. We're negative because her Cerberus connection has been largely swept aside and she's almost exclusively focused on personal issues.

So? At Least she is in the damn game. Can't you all be happy about that? <_<

I know I am, and I cannot wait to see her.

Most of us don't love Miranda unconditionally, 101.
Sure, I will have a child like enthusiasm when I see her for the first time in ME3 (will probrably squee a lot too). But if her role is exactly as it is depicted in the leak, the dissapointment will be far too great for me to enjoy her presence in ME3.

Din't Bioware say much has changed since the script.

[Skullheart]

Just as JB said 101. Some of us wanrs Miranda to stay truly to her persona, her same principles and ambitions. I don't want a total remake like they did with Liara (180 degrees change).

For a fictional character there's things worsth than death, and changing every they were is one of them.

shepard1038 wrote...
Din't Bioware say much has changed since the script.

Every video and trailer I have seen matched the leak. I can't say if  there is any change.

Modifié par Skullheart, 02 février 2012 - 01:50 .

[MisterJB]

Bioware will say whatever Bioware needs to say in order to sell copies.

[shepard1038]

Please lets change the subject. All we are doing is going in circles.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Skullheart wrote...

Just as JB said 101. Some of us wanrs Miranda to stay truly to her persona, her same principles and ambitions. I don't want a total remake like they did with Liara (180 degrees change).

For a fictional character there's things worsth than death, and changing every they were is one of them.

shepard1038 wrote...
Din't Bioware say much has changed since the script.

Every video and trailer I have seen matched the leak. I can't say if  there is any change.

I want everything that you all do. 

I'm just trying NOT to lose all hope.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

You guys are too pessimistic. You're all making it even ME look as if I'm the most optimistic person here.<_<

Probably you or Crutch

Like I said earlier, I think it's best to reserve judgment for the moment, but it's not like I have anything real concrete to offer in support of that. The script is pretty authoritative, and doubtless accurate for the most part.

Hey I just believe in ranting on confirmed solid ground, not the mere appearance of it. As for my cheery disposition (hardy har) that's probably due to detaching myself from her ME3 appearance and not considering it the end. My liking of Kasumi showed me how to make more of less.

That and I've discovered I like balance in my threads. Pessimists are overrepresented here. I'd probably oppose that on this principle alone.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Hey I just believe in ranting on confirmed solid ground.

Oh, I agree. I'm positively serene for the moment

[nitefyre410]

MisterJB wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Where did all this negativity come from?

Yesterday, jtav found a convo in the leak where Kelly Chambers explains, in great detail mind you, the circunstances that lead her to joining Cerberus as well as her particular feelings towards The Illusive Man. It's very well written with Kelly managing to become a much more complex character, introducing greyness to Cerberus, questioning her and Shepard's decision to leave the organization with her actual lines of dialogue filling small paragraphs.

Then it hit us: Miranda has none of this or so small that is barely worth mentioning.

 


What ?  


You have to be... no your not  kinding.  

You know i  try not to give into being negative but... that... is just arrgggh... "Da **** is that ****?" 

[shepard1038]

nitefyre410 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Where did all this negativity come from?

Yesterday, jtav found a convo in the leak where Kelly Chambers explains, in great detail mind you, the circunstances that lead her to joining Cerberus as well as her particular feelings towards The Illusive Man. It's very well written with Kelly managing to become a much more complex character, introducing greyness to Cerberus, questioning her and Shepard's decision to leave the organization with her actual lines of dialogue filling small paragraphs.

Then it hit us: Miranda has none of this or so small that is barely worth mentioning.

 


What ?  


You have to be... no your not  kinding.  

You know i  try not to give into being negative but... that... is just arrgggh... "Da **** is that ****?" 

Yep, is a shame

[ClanMacNab]

Flashback:

"Oh, Shepard! The engine room? Really?! Right there where Tali works?

O.K., I have to know; just how genetically modified is she?

...because...wow!"

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 02 février 2012 - 02:45 .