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[MisterJB]

No, you lose conscience in 15 seconds. It will take you about 2 minutes to die.

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Modifié par MisterJB, 02 février 2012 - 06:38 .

[JosephDucreux]

MisterJB wrote...

No, you lose conscience in 15 seconds. It will take you about 2 minutes to die.

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Bro...you'll explode in 15 seconds. All that internal body pressure is going to make you go boom.

I think that counts as death.

Finally we're getting some pics in here.

Modifié par JosephDucreux, 02 février 2012 - 06:52 .

[shepard1038]

JosephDucreux wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

No, you lose conscience in 15 seconds. It will take you about 2 minutes to die.

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Bro...you'll explode in 15 seconds. All that internal body pressure is going to make you go boom.

I think that counts as death.

Finally we're getting some pics in here.

I still think what there doing to palaven an thessia is much crueler.Also nice pic

[wright1978]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I agree, but the thing with Miranda is that there's areas that aren't fully fleshed out in the leak. There's something related with Lazarus, the majority of the arc with Cerberus and TIM, and allusions to some sort of research. That's a fair bit of story-critical plot threads to be tied into.

To me at least Miranda's the "face" of Cerberus for the player. TIM's this larger-than-life character that we have limited interaction with, but Miranda has a lot more characterization. We get to know her as a person, understand her motivations it makes sense that she'd be Shepard's contact for all things Cerberus.

Also certain parts of the leak interest me from a storytelling standpoint. If I want to depict Miranda as a tragic character, there's an option to have that happen in ME3. But I want the option to have the "Fighting for the future of humanity" story that Liara alludes to in LoTSB.

Will Miranda's Cerberus arc be fleshed out substantially or skirted as of the leak, ay there's the rub.
Yeah having the option of a tragic arc is fine as long as the non tragic one feels equally well told.

[Ieldra]

spiros9110 wrote...
Where did all this negativity come from?

The cast video revealed YET ANOTHER hot dark-haired female who isn't Miranda. Together with the evidence of the leaked script, that reinforces the suspicion that Bioware treated Miranda as an afterthought and an unloved legacy of ME2 they'd rather make people forget. That's the reason.

I do understand that you guys would rather have her on the Normandy, as do I, but I still have the view that she is better off pursing her own goals that eventually tie in with the Reaper threat, since she can technically be another "Shepard" in a sense because of her leadership and combat abilities.

I'm fine with Miranda having her own parallel story arc. As long as it's good and not reduced to family matters, damn it!

Hopefully this thread explodes with positivity on March 6th!!

We'll see. *remains skeptical*

[Ieldra]

nitefyre410 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Where did all this negativity come from?

Yesterday, jtav found a convo in the leak where Kelly Chambers explains, in great detail mind you, the circunstances that lead her to joining Cerberus as well as her particular feelings towards The Illusive Man. It's very well written with Kelly managing to become a much more complex character, introducing greyness to Cerberus, questioning her and Shepard's decision to leave the organization with her actual lines of dialogue filling small paragraphs.

Then it hit us: Miranda has none of this or so small that is barely worth mentioning.

 

What ?  

You have to be... no your not  kinding.  

You know i  try not to give into being negative but... that... is just arrgggh... "Da **** is that ****?" 

Now you know. That sums about the feelings of most of us nicely.

[Ieldra]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Anyway, the reason I came in here again: I finished my Mirimance playthrough a while ago, and for some reason I can't get the whole "invite up to cabin" thing to work.  It's like something failed to trigger--the personal intercom just isn't there.  Anyone else have that problem?

Speaking to her once after having finished the SM will enable the invitation.

[Ieldra]

Fasty1 wrote...
Dunno why but hearing people say miri over and over and over.... really creeps me out.

It implies a familiarity that shouldn't exist towards a fictional character. I know the feeling. I never use a diminutive for Miranda.

[Ieldra]

Skullheart wrote...

And gifts for all... I was playing Samara's RM and Mordin's LM. Leaving some pics

Thanks. A Miranda picture s always a delight. OK...almost. I can imagine some that wouldn't....

[Ieldra]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

husky husk wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
We, as Shepard, should be allowed to. 

But do you think she would be okay with it given what weight the nickname personally bears to her?

I think Shepard would get slapped.  Which, really, is a scene I'd like to see.

As for the player, so for Shepard. It implies a familiarity I don't feel yet exists between them. Actually, if anyone who isn't a childhood friend calls Miranda "Miri", that easily comes across as condescending.

Also, cultural conditioning (or even family conditioning) plays a big part in how people feel about nicknames. I happen to dislike them as a rule, so it's important than I can avoid calling Miranda by one.

[Ieldra]

JosephDucreux wrote...
Bro...you'll explode in 15 seconds. All that internal body pressure is going to make you go boom.

Vacuum exposure will not result in a human body exploding. That's a myth. The term "explosive decompression" refers to rapidly falling air pressure, which can rupture lungs but still won't make you explode. Current knowledge suggests it's possible to survive several minutes of hard vacuum, though you'll lose consciousness within 10-15 seconds and won't be able to help yourself after that.

Details: http://www.geoffreyl...com/vacuum.html

[alxboss78]

I will just say this, if we reach March 1st and have not heard or seen ANYTHING about Miranda from any Bioware source, we will know that our worst fears (Miranda extended crappy cameo) are valid. So until then we can just remain frustrated and skeptical.

Oh an if that happens i hope many of you are in a vindictive mood (after playing the game though, cause if it so happens and the game is a masterpiece then even if Miranda is sidelined then i would pardon them). Cause i know that i would want them to feel even a bit bad for making these choices by creating a lot of negative vibe for the game...

[ThomGau]

Pessimism was out last night.

I have to say, I'm somewhat cynical as well .  We all would have been reassured if we had some Miranda related stuff in the cast video . At least Strahovsky is back, as it should be.
Afterthoughts, seeing that makes me think that BW has forsaken the whole ME2 cast . Hopefully I'm wrong and we'll have another cast video soon with our favorite character ...
As for Diana, I don't want to get all conservative, saying that I don't want new characters, but ... another hot brunette really ? Were they meant to replace Miranda ? If so, to me, they are not even close. Maybe it's because she is not as "attractive" as she was in ME2 to new players, she is expendable.

I'm going to try to be somewhat detached from pessimism from now on . Calm like a bomb ...

Modifié par ThomGau, 02 février 2012 - 10:08 .

[Ieldra]

alxboss78 wrote...
I will just say this, if we reach March 1st and have not heard or seen ANYTHING about Miranda from any Bioware source, we will know that our worst fears (Miranda extended crappy cameo) are valid. So until then we can just remain frustrated and skeptical.

No, we'll only know when we've seen for ourselves. March 6 for most of you, March 8 for me *grr*. And I hate to say something positive , but "extended crappy cameo" is not what her presence is going to be. For those who only care about the romance it may even turn out to be very good. Unfortunately, I also care that it's Miranda I'll be able to romance, not some generic woman with her appearance whose controversial character traits have been removed and who cares only about her sister.

Oh an if that happens i hope many of you are in a vindictive mood (after playing the game though, cause if it so happens and the game is a masterpiece then even if Miranda is sidelined then i would pardon them). Cause i know that i would want them to feel even a bit bad for making these choices by creating a lot of negative vibe for the game...

Currently on my shopping list:
*tar
*feathers
*rotten tomatoes
*pitchfork

On the other hand, I'll not skimp on the praise if everything goes well and Miranda is awesome. Also, I believe that ME3 as a whole will indeed be a masterpiece, but that makes Miranda's treatment, should it be bad, just so much worse.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 février 2012 - 10:27 .

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Also, I believe that ME3 as a whole will indeed be a masterpiece, but that makes Miranda's treatment, should it be bad, just so much worse.

I agree with you, it will be a great game, probably one of the best I've played . However, if Miranda's role is screwed up, a huge part of the enjoyment I could have from playing ME3 will be gone.

Is it bad that I care more about Miranda's fate than the fate of the whole galaxy ?

Modifié par ThomGau, 02 février 2012 - 10:37 .

[alxboss78]

Ieldra2 wrote...

alxboss78 wrote...
I will just say this, if we reach March 1st and have not heard or seen ANYTHING about Miranda from any Bioware source, we will know that our worst fears (Miranda extended crappy cameo) are valid. So until then we can just remain frustrated and skeptical.

No, we'll only know when we've seen for ourselves. March 6 for most of you, March 8 for me *grr*. And I hate to say something positive , but "extended crappy cameo" is not what her presence is going to be. For those who only care about the romance it may even turn out to be very good. Unfortunately, I also care that it's Miranda I'll be able to romance, not some generic woman with her appearance whose controversial character traits have been removed and who cares only about her sister.

As i haven't read the leak (and i don't plan to) i don't know exactly what is mentioned, it's just the vibe i got from what all of you have said up till now regarding the leak.

If the romance is indeed very good, then at least that is a silver lining. Another is the return of Yvonne (which in reality it should be a given but with how things had gone up till a wahile ago, it should be considered another posisitve).

Ieldra2 wrote...

Oh an if that happens i hope many of you are in a vindictive mood (after playing the game though, cause if it so happens and the game is a masterpiece then even if Miranda is sidelined then i would pardon them). Cause i know that i would want them to feel even a bit bad for making these choices by creating a lot of negative vibe for the game...

Currently on my shopping list:
*tar
*feathers
*rotten tomatoes
*pitchfork

On the other hand, I'll not skimp on the praise if everything goes well and Miranda is awesome. Also, I believe that ME3 as a whole will indeed be a masterpiece, but that makes Miranda's treatment, should it be bad, just so much worse.

Well yeah, it would make Miranda's treatment worse, but i just couldn't bring my heart around to bash or speak negatively about a bioware game that turned out to be a masterpiece...

So if that is true then i will be very happy. I would also be cross about Miranda, but the enjoyment of the game i hope will overshadow that.

PS- As i'm now starting my 7th playthrough and i'm thinking of romancing Jack, can anyone suggest if the romance is better as a renegade or as a paragon?

Before FAN101 goes for my throat i do have 3 playthroughs with Miranda and my canon one is with Miranda...

[nitefyre410]

Ieldra2 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Where did all this negativity come from?

Yesterday, jtav found a convo in the leak where Kelly Chambers explains, in great detail mind you, the circunstances that lead her to joining Cerberus as well as her particular feelings towards The Illusive Man. It's very well written with Kelly managing to become a much more complex character, introducing greyness to Cerberus, questioning her and Shepard's decision to leave the organization with her actual lines of dialogue filling small paragraphs.

Then it hit us: Miranda has none of this or so small that is barely worth mentioning.

 

What ?  

You have to be... no your not  kinding.  

You know i  try not to give into being negative but... that... is just arrgggh... "Da **** is that ****?" 

Now you know. That sums about the feelings of most of us nicely.
  

 


You know I do try, I'm still reserve judgments till  after  I play through the game but ... seriously... my tolerance and alround  good vibes are being but to the test here.

[jtav]

I will also cheerfully eat my words if I'm wrong come March. I don't enjoy being miserable. But I need evidence. And the evidence I have says ME3 Miranda does not have her ambition, idealism or brilliance. She doesn't reflect on her time with Cerberus. The version of the story where she dies is emotional and detailed. The version where she survives feels slapdash.

[alxboss78]

jtav wrote...

I will also cheerfully eat my words if I'm wrong come March. I don't enjoy being miserable. But I need evidence. And the evidence I have says ME3 Miranda does not have her ambition, idealism or brilliance. She doesn't reflect on her time with Cerberus. The version of the story where she dies is emotional and detailed. The version where she survives feels slapdash.

When you say slapdash, do you mean in general or according to your version of Miranda? If i remember correctly you have also said in the past (and others) that her romance "storyline" is actually well written and that she also has some moments of awsomeness, so what do you mean by slapdash IMPORTANT: please don't share any specific spoilers...

[Prudii Aden]

So, we end up with three human interests for a male Shepard. One is a soldier, one is a scientist and operative, and one is a reporter. Depending on her introduction, I can forsee being very rude to her in my first playthrough. An Alliance reporter being foisted on Shepard just after he's been put on trial by them (not to mention their treatment of him in 2)? The void of Space may well be warmer! I can't see how she'd be able to match Ashley, let alone Miranda! Ashley can keep up with him (just about), Miranda is of equal stature to him, so just how is a reporter going to fare against or compare with those two?

[flemm]

Well, some of the romance bits are good, certainly the strong point of what's in the leak. But the romance is as incomplete as the rest of it.

I do hope we get a good laugh out of some of the anger/negativity, etc. in the not too distant future, but also some of the already-amusing rationalisations regarding the leaked material, which is not even coherent past a certain point.

Lenimph wrote...

Not having Miranda the way you want to feels bad doesn't boys?

Yup.

I'm still supporting that f/f Mirandamance, in passing. Have since day one on the BSN (which was, admittedly, just this past August ), partly for the reason you stated.

Modifié par flemm, 02 février 2012 - 01:49 .

[alxboss78]

flemm wrote...

Well, some of the romance bits are good, certainly the strong point of what's in the leak. But the romance is as incomplete as the rest of it.

I do hope we get a good laugh out of some of the anger/negativity, etc. in the not too distant future, but also some of the already-amusing rationalisations regarding the leaked material, which is not even coherent past a certain point.

You've lost me in that final bit...

[CrutchCricket]

Which rationalizations do you find laughable flemm? As far as I know they've been pretty reasonable (I dare say even mine though you can call bias if you must). If they turn out to be far off the mark that may be hilarious in itself. But I think they've been a valiant effort, on the whole.

[flemm]

alxboss78 wrote...

You've lost me in that final bit...

What I'm saying is: Miranda's role in the leaked script is not even finished, the substance of the mission isn't there, there is no closure, etc., etc. So, that is a reason to reserve judgment, but it also renders the argument that the role is adequate as is somewhat moot as well. There's no way that one can really make that claim based on what's there. 

CrutchCricket wrote...
 If they turn out to be far off the mark that may be hilarious in itself. But I think they've been a valiant effort, on the whole.

Well, that's sort of what I mean, yeah. Basically, I hope that the negativity and the rationalisations are equally off the mark.

Modifié par flemm, 02 février 2012 - 01:59 .

[JosephDucreux]

So...anyone wants to go postal upon Bioware with me in a panda suit?