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[enayasoul]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And another thing that bugs me is how DLCs like LOTSB and Overlord were SUPPOSED to be POST SM, yet BioWare made the Missions as if you're still part of Cerberus. Why?

For Example: At the end of Overlord, Shepard says, "The Illusive Man can fire me for all I care."
That doesn't make sense if you destroy the Base.

Plus you tell Liara that Cerberus gave you intel.

Yeah, I did LOTSB before the Suicide mission.  I like both before and after.    It's up to you how you want to roleplay it...

[Lenimph]

MEFAN ... take a chill pill.

There are many ME1 fans that would say the exact opposite accusing Bioware of catering to ME2 fans with the better combat and ... well everything.

1) Liara doesn't have to be on the shadow broker base. She could have anyone there she trusts taking her orders. AND since they meet on coincidence in ME3 it's already clear Liara feels she can do more off the base then on it.

2)Tali is entitled to help who she wants to help.

3)I'm not sure about the details but I do believe they were going to get Shepard's Normandy after the decisions of the trail. At least that's what I've assumed. Ships are incredibly expensive and it's not like the Alliance is going to make one appear from thin air.

4)Garrus is a horrible leader. He tried that failed miserably, I would hope he learned his lesson and never try that again.

[Vertigo_1]

flemm wrote...
They've paid Strahovski a bundle for a VA session or two, why not show a clip of her saying "I had a great experience, love what they've done with the character, blablabla," add a second or two of Miranda footage from the game, and now a bunch more people are excited, while nothing of substance has changed?

As somebody else already mentioned, it's just as likely that she's not in the vid for logistical reasons, or whatever, as anything else.

First part: too busy with Chuck filming?  (or in general)

Second part: her character can be dead for ME3 (she's also not a main character anymore, same with Aria)

[spirosz]

Lenimph wrote...

4)Garrus is a horrible leader. He tried that failed miserably, I would hope he learned his lesson and never try that again.

I would argue he's a better leader than most give him credit for.  He's learned a lot from Shepard, but this isn't the thread for that discussion. 

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
First part: too busy with Chuck filming?  (or in general)

That fits under the heading "logistics." Scheduling problems, and so on.

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Second part: her character can be dead for ME3...

Yes, there are no VAs for "might be dead" characters in the vid, so that could, theoretically, be a factor.

I guess that fits under the heading "whatever"

Modifié par flemm, 03 février 2012 - 04:47 .

[MegaBadExample]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

You know what this is? BioWare possibly made this game on behalf of the ME1 fanatics and ONLY the ME1 fanatics. They are pampering only the players who have played the series since 2008. What about late starters dammit?

Think about it, Garrus and Tali were in ME1 as well, so even if they could die, BioWare still wanted them there in ME3 special for thos ME1 fanatics.

They wanted to do this crap all along. BioWare wanted to make a plot where it goes back in the ME1 fanatics' favor by placing Shepard back into the Alliance, without even stopping to think that there ARE Players who dislike the Alliance for very good reasons.

BioWare placed us back into the Alliance unwillingly. When diong this, it allowed BioWare to place EVERY damn character of the SR1 back on the Normandy because the Normandy is Alliance again.
They made it seem like the ME2 Characters weren't important all along!

That's Bull****! There are many reasons why some of those Characters should have little screen time:

1) Liara is the Shadow Broker FFS. She has no reason to be there in your Squad for the Entire Game (if you didn't Romance her).

2) Tali should be Helping her people in the Migrant Fleet, not constantly staying behind Shepard like some crazed Fangirl.

3) Kaindan/Ashley are Spectres now, right? Why do they not have a ship of their own?

4) Garrus should round up some forces on his own. He's a Leader for crying out loud.

BUUUTTT NOOOOOOO.

They're on the Normandy for the ENTIRE damn game, making it another ME1 and SR1.

UGH Mass Effect 3 should be good for EVERYONE, NOT a damn portion of the fans! Wake up BioWare!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know nothing. I'm not even going to get into all that because you're wrong and they're spoilers. I do agree that Tali and Garrus shouldn't be on the squad. Especially Tali. Doesn't quite make sense to me.

Sorry, but Shepard was in Alliance from the age of 18. He needs them in ME3. Deal with it. The reason why you're mad is because Miranda's not a squadmate. She off doing her on thing, which I'm sure is important too.

[MisterJB]

Lenimph wrote...
1) Liara doesn't have to be on the shadow broker base. She could have anyone there she trusts taking her orders. AND since they meet on coincidence in ME3 it's already clear Liara feels she can do more off the base then on it.

That's a bloody weak excuse to have her shoehorned into the Normandy again. It's like saying TIM doesn't have to be at his base, he can leave someone there taking his orders. Sure he can, it just makes no sense, the leaders of any major organization don't fight on the frontlines.
There's no point in making Liara the Shadow Broker if she is just going to be on the squad. Giving that position of influence to a ME2 squadmate is the least they could do.

[Skullheart]

EEhhh... isn't Liara the one who said in LotSB that she needs to be in the base?

[jtav]

I actually do agree with MEFan on one point in that I'm not happy to be back with the Alliance. Has nothing to do with Miranda, except being attracted to a character of similar sympathies. My first character will be actively looking to cripple and undermine the Alliance wherever possible because I the player don't like them very much. Or humanity in general. (ME, not actual flesh and blood humans)

[MegaBadExample]

jtav wrote...

I actually do agree with MEFan on one point in that I'm not happy to be back with the Alliance. Has nothing to do with Miranda, except being attracted to a character of similar sympathies. My first character will be actively looking to cripple and undermine the Alliance wherever possible because I the player don't like them very much. Or humanity in general. (ME, not actual flesh and blood humans)

Right. After serving the Alliance faithfully since 18... He hates them? I just look at Shepard as a character. Bioware's character. He already came with his own foundations. That's what it is. I don't try to change that. He's always been a soldier serving humanity.

[Zjarcal]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

... not constantly staying behind Shepard like some crazed Fangirl.

The pot calling the kettle black... an annoying fanbrat at its finest (worst). 

[MegaBadExample]

Skullheart wrote...

EEhhh... isn't Liara the one who said in LotSB that she needs to be in the base?

On Liara, You’re forgetting the whole I can rape Shepard’s mind and I’m an expert on everything part. Therefore I’m important in the long run.

[jtav]

Even a previously loyal Shep has plenty of reasons to want them to burn. And Shep is also the player's character. Unfortunately BW likes to paper over any gripes a player's Shep has with the faction du jour. See Sole Survivors and Cerberus.

[MisterJB]

MegaBadExample wrote...
Right. After serving the Alliance faithfully since 18... He hates them? I just look at Shepard as a character. Bioware's character. He already came with his own foundations. That's what it is. I don't try to change that. He's always been a soldier serving humanity.

One does not need to join the Alliance in order to serve humanity. Even back in ME1, Shepard could express dissatisfaction with some of the Alliance policies.
I can only hope that, after being abandoned in ME2, we can roleplay Shepard as an outspoken critic of the Alliance.

[MegaBadExample]

jtav wrote...

Even a previously loyal Shep has plenty of reasons to want them to burn. And Shep is also the player's character. Unfortunately BW likes to paper over any gripes a player's Shep has with the faction du jour. See Sole Survivors and Cerberus.

 
What, want them to burn? Tell me, what good reasons would he have for that? I'm a little rusty since I haven't played ME in months.

[jtav]

The "Reapers, what Reapers?" attitude, using Shep as their clean up guy for dodgy operations, throwing him under the bus after Arrival, being generally ineffectual. I want them gone.

[Ryzaki]

jtav wrote...

The "Reapers, what Reapers?" attitude, using Shep as their clean up guy for dodgy operations, throwing him under the bus after Arrival, being generally ineffectual. I want them gone.

Seriously. My Shep's pretty fed off with the alliance too at this point. Only reason I see him working with them is because they're useful and Hackett and Anderson.

[wright1978]

jtav wrote...

Even a previously loyal Shep has plenty of reasons to want them to burn. And Shep is also the player's character. Unfortunately BW likes to paper over any gripes a player's Shep has with the faction du jour. See Sole Survivors and Cerberus.

Agree completely. My main shep is supportive of humanity but he had his eyes well and truly opened to the true nature of the Alliance in ME2. At least in ME2 if you wanted you could use a squad more reflecting anti Cerberus outlook.

[ClanMacNab]

spiros9110 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And another thing that bugs me is how DLCs like LOTSB and Overlord were SUPPOSED to be POST SM, yet BioWare made the Missions as if you're still part of Cerberus. Why?

For Example: At the end of Overlord, Shepard says, "The Illusive Man can fire me for all I care."
That doesn't make sense if you destroy the Base.

Plus you tell Liara that Cerberus gave you intel.

Gameplay/ game code, whatever.  What about the people who do it before the suicide mission.  Should they have to re-write the whole script because of those people? 

They try to write the scripts to accommodate both scenarios because the player has the choice of where they fall in the game timeline.

[MegaBadExample]

jtav wrote...

The "Reapers, what Reapers?" attitude, using Shep as their clean up guy for dodgy operations, throwing him under the bus after Arrival, being generally ineffectual. I want them gone.

Yes, “you” want them gone.
Shepard has served the Alliance since 18, and he’s been happy enough to stick with them all that time. I have to respect that. Then when the events in ME comes along you’re not really working for the Alliance. It’s more of Shepard hunting down Saren for the council, and they’re the ones who ignore you. “Ah, yes reapers.” That was the council. Anderson fought that corner for years.

Yeah, they send you on missions, because you're their soldier/**** lol. Shepard signed that paper, sore that oath, and served them faithfully all those years. Well, maybe that's just me. Shepard already came with foundations, and I stick by them. My Shepard is only frustrated at the lack of belief from the council, and was a little peeved that Anderson didn’t open up about the VS. But he’s not stupid, he understood the caution. It’s desperate times, and he has more important things to do than hold a grudge against an old friend. 

He never trusted the TIM. The fact that he needed his resources made him play nice, most of the time. Although, he learned to trust Miranda... Eventually.  You see how I switch that whole thing around and made it about Miranda? Special.

[Ryzaki]

Eh my Shep joined the military because he was a biotic and really didn't have any other options after his family was slaughtered at Mindoir. He was making the best out of a crappy hand that was dealt to him. The second he sees a way out where he can truly be free and have the way of making sure no one can force him back and he doesn't have to be poor or a criminal? He's taking it with no hesitation.

All Sheps are not the same.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 février 2012 - 05:58 .

[MegaBadExample]

All Shepard's are not the same, true. But the fact remains Shepard stayed and served all those years in the Alliance. He's a soldier.

Sounds like your Shepard should have found a job, instead of joinin' the Navy which he resents.

[flemm]

MegaBadExample wrote...
Sounds like your Shepard should have found a job, instead of joinin' the Navy which he resents.

Not sure what possibilities the game will present in its entirety, but Bioware has certainly suggested that you will be able to roleplay not being happy to be back with the Alliance. Even on earth in the demo, there is a "I don't take orders from you any more" option when talking to Anderson.

So, I'm not really sure that there is or should be a clear "right answer" here, as far as Shepard's allegiance is concerned.

Modifié par flemm, 03 février 2012 - 06:05 .

[MegaBadExample]

flemm wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...
Sounds like your Shepard should have found a job, instead of joinin' the Navy which he resents.

Not sure what possibilities the game will present in its entirety, but Bioware has certainly suggested that you will be able to roleplay not being happy to be back with the Alliance. Even on earth in the demo, there is a "I don't take orders from you any more" option when talking to Anderson.

So, I'm not really sure that there is or should be a clear "right answer" here, as far as Shepard's allegiance is concerned.

I can understand some Shepard's not exactly being happy about it. Shep didn't have a choice at all, it's like: "Here Shepard go save us again!" and Shepard's gotta do what a man's gotta do, even if Shepard is female. That's no reason to want to burn the Alliance. The Alliance aren't the bad guys, and Shepard knows this. Sure he might be annoyed at them on a personal level, and sure they screw up from time to time. And they ain't perfect. But at least in ME they have to face the threat now. At the end of the day, Shepard's not going to hate the help.

[MisterJB]

MegaBadExample wrote...

All Shepard's are not the same, true. But the fact remains Shepard stayed and served all those years in the Alliance. He's a soldier.

And in ME2, Shepard can tell Miranda he wishes Cerberus had recruited him. Are those the words of a staunch supporter of the Alliance?