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[Ieldra]

About Shepard and the Alliance:

How people roleplay their Shepards is their choice, MegaBadExample. If, for some reason, they've come to hate the Alliance, who are you to say they shouldn't. There could be any number of reasons. At the same time, whether they come to trust TIM or not is their choice again, who are you to say what others' Shepards think?

Here's another story as an example:
Cyrus Shepard joined the Alliance because it was a way out of the slums (Earthborn background). He had a talent for soldiering and leadership, but his true calling was covert operations. A large part of his years in the Alliance he spent in military intelligence, though his clearance was never high enough to get behind the events on Akuze. He came to believe in advancing humanity and his experience brought him to think the Alliance was too conservative with research and technological development, held back by public opinion. That's why he appreciated the opportunity to work with Cerberus, apart from the necessity to destroy the Collectors. Not that he really trusted the Illusive Man, but he stands behind the ideals put forward in the Cerberus Manifesto. His appreciation of the organization took a serious hit when he discovered the extent of their atrocities. Nonetheless, he thought it necessary that someone studied the Collector base, even if it was Cerberus. Where he stands at the start of ME3 is not clear. The Alliance and Cerberus have both lost his respect, people like Anderson and Hackett on one side and Miranda on the other notwithstanding.

As an aside, I think Miranda, too, is beyond the existing factions at the start of ME3, and for much the same reasons.

Edit: oops, top of the page....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 février 2012 - 06:14 .

[jtav]

Hate the help? No. But I'll be positioning things so that the Alliance suffers maximum casualties and Earth is a wreck.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Hate the help? No. But I'll be positioning things so that the Alliance suffers maximum casualties and Earth is a wreck.

I get disliking the Alliance, but may I ask why you want Earth to be destroyed? That seems a little extreme to me. Also, Miranda wouldn't like it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 février 2012 - 06:17 .

[MegaBadExample]

At the end of the day, you can make up whatever you want in your head.

My Shepard hates humans, he wants them all to suffer. My Shepard likes Hanars. My Shepard is gay. My Shepard has a long lost sister. Whatever you want. It might not be in the game, but it's in your head.

[jtav]

Really don't like ME humanity, remember? First playthrough is to get all those murderous impulses out.

[Ryzaki]

MisterJB wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

All Shepard's are not the same, true. But the fact remains Shepard stayed and served all those years in the Alliance. He's a soldier.

And in ME2, Shepard can tell Miranda he wishes Cerberus had recruited him. Are those the words of a staunch supporter of the Alliance?

Agreed.

Shep being military =/= him being a staunch supporter.

I'm pretty sure Biotic Shep wouldn't have gotten many job choices either. Aren't they feared and less likely to get good paying jobs outside the military due to their abilities? He needed to eat, he had only a basic education and he was dirt broke. Military was really his only option.

My Sheps not going to actively hurt the alliance but he's not going to help them out any more than necessary either.

If it comes down to saving Earth or destroying the Reapers my Shep'll destroy the Reapers without hesitating.

That said if he can do both he will. He will also however steal the Normandy and call it a day. He's freelance now.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 février 2012 - 06:24 .

[MisterJB]

That's going way too far for me. The Alliance is a primitive and failed government, good only to be used as a blunt weapon and in need of many changes.
However, humanity needs weapons.

[ClanMacNab]

MegaBadExample wrote...

All Shepard's are not the same, true. But the fact remains Shepard stayed and served all those years in the Alliance. He's a soldier.

Sounds like your Shepard should have found a job, instead of joinin' the Navy which he resents.

My swashbuckling rogue Shepard didn't get that way totally on his own. He had a lot of help getting that way from bad actors in both the Alliance and Cerberus. He's still both a commander in the Alliance navy and a Spectre, but he's not willing to take crap from any of them, even his oldest friends and comrades.

He is still an honorable concensus builder though, especially where it regards his relationships with the ladies, and most especially Miranda.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

As far as I see it my Shepard isn't part of the Alliance he just needs their resources just like I think he was never really part of Cerberus. So I think freaking out is a little unnecessary, but I can still see why people are upset.

[flemm]

MegaBadExample wrote...
My Shepard hates humans, he wants them all to suffer. My Shepard likes Hanars. My Shepard is gay. My Shepard has a long lost sister. Whatever you want. It might not be in the game, but it's in your head.

The game doesn't offer infinite possibilities. But it offers some, and doesn't contradict others. Not being happy with being back with the Alliance seems like it will be supported by the game. So will Shepard being gay.

Liking Hanars won't be contradicted, at the very least.

Not sure about the sister

[shepard1038]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

As far as I see it my Shepard isn't part of the Alliance he just needs their resources just like I think he was never really part of Cerberus. So I think freaking out is a little unnecessary, but I can still see why people are upset.

Isn't that a little cruel, the alliance may do questionable things,but shepard is still a soldier.
And has many friends in the alliance like Hackect and Anderson that help him.

[Ieldra]

Sorry for the OT, but I may have inadvertently rejected a group membership request for the Miranda spoiler group. If you - whoever you are - read this, please send another one. I misclicked.

[MisterJB]

Hackett is not Shepard's friend. The Commander is willing to do covert operations for Hackett who, in return, makes sure the Alliance is off his back. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

To be clear, Hackett is one of the few people in the Alliance that I like but he is no more Shepard's friend than The Illusive Man.

Modifié par MisterJB, 03 février 2012 - 07:08 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What does Hackett say to you after Arrival if you do not cut ties from Cerberus?

[Dr. Doctor]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

What does Hackett say to you after Arrival if you do not cut ties from Cerberus?

Hackett says that he doesn't like Cerberus or how they do things, but he's willing to be friendly for now.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

What does Hackett say to you after Arrival if you do not cut ties from Cerberus?

Hackett says that he doesn't like Cerberus or how they do things, but he's willing to be friendly for now.

Oh yeah now I remember more clearly.

Arrival is the actually ending to ME2, even though the SM has the end credts.

Arrival is the true ending to ME2 because it's the end of the Epilogue of ME2. That scene after the conversation between Shepard and Hackett is the final scene of ME2, onwards to ME3.

[shepard1038]

MisterJB wrote...

Hackett is not Shepard's friend. The Commander is willing to do covert operations for Hackett who, in return, makes sure the Alliance is off his back. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

To be clear, Hackett is one of the few people in the Alliance that I like but he is no more Shepard's friend than The Illusive Man.

How can you compare Hackett to the Ilusive Man , the ilusive Man being a terrorist, murderer, egoist,
that doesn't care getting his hand's dirty to acomplish what he wants.
Even if you don't think Hackett is a friend, at least don't compare him to the Ilusive Man.

Modifié par shepard1038, 03 février 2012 - 07:45 .

[husky husk]

shepard1038 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Hackett is not Shepard's friend. The Commander is willing to do covert operations for Hackett who, in return, makes sure the Alliance is off his back. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

To be clear, Hackett is one of the few people in the Alliance that I like but he is no more Shepard's friend than The Illusive Man.

How can you compare Hackett to the Ilusive Man , the ilusive Man being a terrorist, murderer, egoist,
that doesn't care getting his hand's dirty to acomplish what he wants.
Even if you don't think Hackett is a friend, at least don't compare him to the Ilusive Man.

Hackett manipulates you like TIM its just harder for people to notice cause he's Alliance and they're the "good guys"

[MisterJB]

First of all Cerberus is not a terrorist organization.
Second, in ME1 Hackett manipulated Shepard into doing the Alliance's dirty work wether it was recovering probes we didn't want the Council getting its hands or or actual assassination which makes him as much a murderer as TIM. Not to mention that Hackett is instrumental in using the geth to kill the Council and taking over the Citadel for the betterment of mankind and he is more than willing to use Shepard as a scapegoat for the batarians.
What exactly makes them so different again?

Modifié par MisterJB, 03 février 2012 - 07:55 .

[Ryzaki]

...okay you can not blame Hackett for the Council being killed by the geth. He was relying on Shep's intel on the right move to make because Shep was the only one who actually knew what the hell Sovereign was or capable of doing (and hell even Shep didn't know that much). (well Shep and his/her crew). He went with Shep's judgement. Whether saving the council, leaving them to die, or concentrating on Sovvie. (the latter two which end up amounting to the same thing).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 février 2012 - 07:59 .

[Ieldra]

Just as a reminder:

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

First of all Cerberus is not a terrorist organization.
Second, in ME1 Hackett manipulated Shepard into doing the Alliance's dirty work wether it was recovering probes we didn't want the Council getting its hands or or actual assassination which makes him as much a murderer as TIM. Not to mention that Hackett is instrumental in using the geth to kill the Council and taking over the Citadel for the betterment of mankind and he is more than willing to use Shepard as a scapegoat for the batarians.
What exactly makes them so different again?

I just did what hackett told me to do in ME1 just to get it all out of the way.

[MegaBadExample]

Again, Shepard is an Alliance soldier it's what he signed up for. So of course, he’s going to be offered missions from the Alliance/Hackett in ME1, Jesus.

And if I remember right. Hackett asked for your help in ME2. Open and honest wit it. Can't say the same for TIM.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 03 février 2012 - 08:05 .

[ClanMacNab]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just as a reminder:

CUMB... Ya think she might be a little peeved that the conversation has shifted away from her?

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 03 février 2012 - 08:09 .

[MisterJB]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Again, Shepard is an Alliance soldier it's what he signed up for. So of course, he’s going to be offered missions from the Alliance/Hackett in ME1, Jesus.

And if I remember right. Hackett asked for your help in ME2. Open and honest wit it. Can't say the same for TIM.

First of all, Shepard was a Spectre. He can tell Hackett to stuff his missions where the sun doesn't shine and there's nothing the admiral can do about it.

Second, honesty from Hackett? Someone seems to be forgetting UNC: The Negotiation.
http://masseffect.wi...The_Negotiation

Hackett lied and manipulated Shepard so as to get the job done. Same as TIM.