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[MisterJB]

ClanMacNab wrote...
If you had both Miranda and Liara together with you in LotSB the interplay between the three was extraordinary. Watch carefully what happens right before the fight with the Shadow Broker and right after Shepard and Liara defeat him.

Nothing that does not happen to all other squadmates.

[ClanMacNab]

MisterJB wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...
If you had both Miranda and Liara together with you in LotSB the interplay between the three was extraordinary. Watch carefully what happens right before the fight with the Shadow Broker and right after Shepard and Liara defeat him.

Nothing that does not happen to all other squadmates.

I've played that side quest through with other squadmates. It seemed to me on closer examination that LotSB was created with the three of these characters together in mind.

[MisterJB]

Care to elaborate?

[enayasoul]

I have to say that I absolutely loved Shepard's teasing/joking around with Liara in the cab ride chasing down Vashir! My favorite! I was hoping Miranda would say something witty but never did.

Modifié par enayasoul, 05 février 2012 - 03:51 .

[Han Shot First]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Liara is not the ONLY Central Character. BioWare severely lacks Common Sense. EVERY ****ing Character is Important FFS.

I want Miri to have a Larger Role. Why did BioWare play us like this?

Liara may play the biggest role in the plot out of all the potential squadmates and love interests, but she is far from being the only squadmate with an important role in the story. Miranda is also arguably one of the most plot relevant characters in the whole series, because without her and the Lazarus Project, Shepard is dead. With Shepard dead the biggest obstacle to another extinction cycle has been removed, and the Reapers eradicate the galaxy without a hitch. Miranda being tied in with the eventual victory over the Reapers makes her one of the most important characters in the entire series, whether or not Liara is more important.

I've been trying to avoid spoilers whenever possible, so I have no idea how large or small a role Miranda will play in Mass Effect 3.  If she's been relegated to a small cameo I would certainly understand the disppointment. Hell, I'd be disappointed...considering my canon Shep romanced her in ME2 and I love the voice acting work Yvonne Strahovski did with the character. It would also seem odd considering Cerberus apparently is going to play a large role in the plot of Mass Effect 3. You'd expect Miranda to be tied into that somehow.

That being said, I think it is a bit silly to react to any reduced role for Miranda by criticizing Bioware over the characters that have a larger role. It isn't like Miranda was edged out of the story by Liara. Liara was always going to play a large role in the story regardless of how small or large Miranda's role is. They are two completely different characters and aren't interchangable in the way that Wrex and Grunt or Kaidan and Jacob are.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 février 2012 - 04:08 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

I find Miranda irresistible I will most defiantly continue the romance but I did romance Ashley I ME1 so I really want to give her a chance too. And whatever one I like better is the one I will stick with.

[jtrook]

Han Shot First wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Liara is not the ONLY Central Character. BioWare severely lacks Common Sense. EVERY ****ing Character is Important FFS.

I want Miri to have a Larger Role. Why did BioWare play us like this?

Liara may play the biggest role in the plot out of all the potential squadmates and love interests, but she is far from being the only squadmate with an important role in the story. Miranda is also arguably one of the most plot relevant characters in the whole series, because without her and the Lazarus Project, Shepard is dead. With Shepard dead the biggest obstacle to another extinction cycle has been removed, and the Reapers eradicate the galaxy without a hitch. Miranda being tied in with the eventual victory over the Reapers makes her one of the most important characters in the entire series, whether or not Liara is more important.

I've been trying to avoid spoilers whenever possible, so I have no idea how large or small a role Miranda will play in Mass Effect 3.  If she's been relegated to a small cameo I would certainly understand the disppointment. Hell, I'd be disappointed...considering my canon Shep romanced her in ME2 and I love the voice acting work Yvonne Strahovski did with the character. It would also seem odd considering Cerberus apparently is going to play a large role in the plot of Mass Effect 3. You'd expect Miranda to be tied into that somehow.

That being said, I think it is a bit silly to react to any reduced role for Miranda by criticizing Bioware over the characters that have a larger role. It isn't like Miranda was edged out of the story by Liara. Liara was always going to play a large role in the story regardless of how small or large Miranda's role is. They are two completely different characters and aren't interchangable in the way that Wrex and Grunt or Kaidan and Jacob are.

Point well made 

[JosephDucreux]

ClanMacNab wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

You know what? I don't care if I'm character bashing. I can't stand the fact that Characters like Liara are getting all of the good stuff in ME3, like dialog, screen time, whatever. Why BioWare? Why give special treatment to only a few Characters? Miri is VERY important as well.

Shun me if you want! It's all the Liara fans' fault. They pushed and pushed. BioWare is no exception either. They treat Liara like she is the damn mascot!

It's not the fault of the Liara fans. It's just that Liara happens to be Mac Walter's waifu, so...massive nepotism right there. If you be blamin' anyone for  pushing and wailing, blame the bucketgroupies.

Anyways, I'd like to see Shepard lead a semi-autonomous spec ops group while Miranda takes on the role of a powerful information broker while raising her kids together with Shepard. And cue paranoid about her kids Miranda.

I brought a relationship with Liara into the second part of the story (hope we can still remain friends, Joe). It created a huge cunundrum for me. My swashbuckling rogue Shepard wants a deep relationship with both of these women and in one scenario that is exactly what he is doing. We'll see how that works out...

No problemo McNab. I don't hate Liara, I just find her blander than water. I roleplay my BroDoucheShep as having threesomes with Miranda and Ashley almost every night, and they're his wives while Kelly and the female crew are his harem. Why? Cause he the stud, yo. 

[JosephDucreux]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Liara is not the ONLY Central Character. BioWare severely lacks Common Sense. EVERY ****ing Character is Important FFS.

I want Miri to have a Larger Role. Why did BioWare play us like this?

Liara is a central character? Yes. An important squaddie? NO.

She's the f*cking SB, so why the hell isn't she on her ship sending vital intel? Why the f*ck is she on my ship? And just in case you haven't noticed, Bioware and most of its employees are massive douchenozzles.

[flemm]

Han Shot First wrote...
That being said, I think it is a bit silly to react to any reduced role for Miranda by criticizing Bioware over the characters that have a larger role. It isn't like Miranda was edged out of the story by Liara. Liara was always going to play a large role in the story regardless of how small or large Miranda's role is.

I agree. Especially because, having read the leaked stuff, there's plenty of room in this game for Miranda to have an important role and be involved exactly where and why she should be involved. Nobody's doing what she should be doing.

So, if Miranda ends up not being around much or not accomplishing much, it will simply be because the writers decided they didn't want that to happen, for whatever reason.

And that will be the focus of my discontent

But I don't really like directing animosity toward other characters or fans of other characters. I dunno. Just feels misguided.

[Skullheart]

don't blame other characters. blame the idiotic writers =P

[ClanMacNab]

MisterJB wrote...

Care to elaborate?

SB: "You travel with fascinating companions, Dr."

"At least you brought me both Shepard and Ms.Lawson, T' Soni, their deaths will cripple Cerberus."

I'm working on a video of this scene that I'll try to post later. When placed in the context of a Shepard who is romancing Miranda the whole thing just sort of fit together for me.

[Skullheart]

Let's see the death of an ex-Cerberus operative (base destoyed) can really cripple Cerberus?

[shepard1038]

We got to talk more about Miri and less about Liara.

edit: Can't we please stop talking about Lotsb and more about Miri.lol

Modifié par shepard1038, 05 février 2012 - 05:11 .

[husky husk]

jreezy wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Let's see the death of an ex-Cerberus operative (base destoyed) can really cripple Cerberus?

Nope. That's why I never do that DLC after the SM so the Shadow Broker doesn't sound like an idiot from my perspective.

Here here
I'm looking at you Overloard.

[Han Shot First]

Ieldra2 wrote...

We would've had much less traffic if not for all the complaining about Miranda's oversexualized presentation, that's for sure

Was the complaining focused on some of the camera angles or her outfits? The former I can sort of understand,  but certainly not the latter. Miranda is the femme fatale of Mass Effect 2. While there is a lot more to the character than just her sex appeal, the sex appeal is still a big part of who the character is.

[Dr. Doctor]

JosephDucreux wrote...
She's the f*cking SB, so why the hell isn't she on her ship sending vital intel? Why the f*ck is she on my ship?

My biggest problem is What do you mean that ship can't leave Hagalaz? Seriously, the thing's the size of a Star Destroyer and it ceases to function if it leaves the planet's atmosphere. Did we just make her the Shadow Broker because it sounds cool?

[shepard1038]

Can't we please resume conversation about Miri.<_<

[JeanLuc761]

shepard1038 wrote...

Can't we please resume conversation about Miri.<_<

There's only so many conversations that can be had about her or any one squadmate, and the Shadow Broker DLC was tangentally related.  Maybe not the logistics of the ship itself, but her portrayal in it.



 

[Ieldra]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

We would've had much less traffic if not for all the complaining about Miranda's oversexualized presentation, that's for sure

Was the complaining focused on some of the camera angles or her outfits? The former I can sort of understand,  but certainly not the latter. Miranda is the femme fatale of Mass Effect 2. While there is a lot more to the character than just her sex appeal, the sex appeal is still a big part of who the character is.

The aversion to the camera angles was almost universal. The outfits are more controversial. From my point of view, there are several problems with Miranda's outfits: First, in any kind of fight, you won't wear stuff so thin that it looks like painted on the skin. Agility and Barriers are fine, but the former won't protect you against what you don't see coming, and the latter costs your body energy to keep up. Second, if you're a member of a secret paramilitary group, you want to be inconspicuous and not draw everyone's attention unless you're on a mission where need to use your sex appeal. Third, the white catsuit looks like made for the cheap thrill. Miranda would wear something more stylish. Fourth, if your life is on the line, your femme fatale aspect should take a backseat.

It isn't just Miranda whose outfits are ridiculous of course. IMO, the whole concept of "iconic" outfits needs to be toned down from its comic book superhero origins to fit something like the ME universe.

[100k]

Han Shot First wrote...

Was the complaining focused on some of the camera angles or her outfits? The former I can sort of understand,  but certainly not the latter. Miranda is the femme fatale of Mass Effect 2. While there is a lot more to the character than just her sex appeal, the sex appeal is still a big part of who the character is.

This is BSN. Your logic and fancy cultured talk ain't welcome here.

[kainee]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

We would've had much less traffic if not for all the complaining about Miranda's oversexualized presentation, that's for sure

Was the complaining focused on some of the camera angles or her outfits? The former I can sort of understand,  but certainly not the latter. Miranda is the femme fatale of Mass Effect 2. While there is a lot more to the character than just her sex appeal, the sex appeal is still a big part of who the character is.

I agree.

Wow this picture is beautiful.

[kainee]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

This is so me, and I'm a girl.

Excellent.
My Shepard thinks the same 

[shepard1038]

kainee wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

We would've had much less traffic if not for all the complaining about Miranda's oversexualized presentation, that's for sure

Was the complaining focused on some of the camera angles or her outfits? The former I can sort of understand,  but certainly not the latter. Miranda is the femme fatale of Mass Effect 2. While there is a lot more to the character than just her sex appeal, the sex appeal is still a big part of who the character is.

I agree.

Wow this picture is beautiful.

I agree.