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[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

I find your lack of emotions disturbing.

I find the lack of emotion of many members here incredibly disturbing. Thinking I've been transported to the planet Vulcan...

Emotions only make sense in a story when they've been properly built up to and the characters display them characteristically. Miranda isn't big on emotions or emotional displays. to shove them in would need a serious re-write of the character and the circumstances she encounters.

Ok, this just isn't true.

Miranda has shown the capability to be VERY emotional. She tried her hardest to hide it, but it's there. She may not like it at times, but again, it's there.

To ignore it or otherwise deny it is like insisting the Earth is flat.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 02:11 .

[shepard1038]

@AgitatedLemon
You know that most desease's can be cured or in the future will be curable you know.

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

@AgitatedLemon
You know that most desease's can be cured or in the future will be curable you know.

I don't know about you, but I live in the present day, where currently un-curable diseases still exist. I'm not saying that in the future, there won't be cures abound for things like Cancer or AIDS.

Besides, the diseases I listed were fictional, for fiction's sake.

[jtav]

Not afraid of emotions. But Miranda isn't very demonstrative and tends to base decisions on other factors unless Oriana is involved. This is not bad. And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible. As opposed to something specific and unique to to the couple.

[shepard1038]

Im saying that anything is possible if you put you're mind in to it.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Not afraid of emotions. But Miranda isn't very demonstrative and tends to base decisions on other factors unless Oriana is involved. This is not bad. And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible. As opposed to something specific and unique to to the couple.

Thank you for posting this.

edit: @shepard 1038- I wouldn't say that. There are a great deal of things that are "impossible".

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 02:20 .

[shepard1038]

It seems that people suggest that every character in a Game has to be emotionless like
a piece of wood.

[android654]

jtav wrote...

Not afraid of emotions. But Miranda isn't very demonstrative and tends to base decisions on other factors unless Oriana is involved. This is not bad. And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible. As opposed to something specific and unique to to the couple.

+1

The traditional concept of love is too plebeain for Miranda to get swept up in. A fantastic character needs equally fantastic circumstances in order to affect them in the same light. Slowly dancing around one another until they utter out the watered down statement that has been uttered over and over does not fit her character at all.

[JosephDucreux]

android654 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Not afraid of emotions. But Miranda isn't very demonstrative and tends to base decisions on other factors unless Oriana is involved. This is not bad. And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible. As opposed to something specific and unique to to the couple.

+1

The traditional concept of love is too plebeain for Miranda to get swept up in. A fantastic character needs equally fantastic circumstances in order to affect them in the same light. Slowly dancing around one another until they utter out the watered down statement that has been uttered over and over does not fit her character at all.

...That's not love. I think you guys have your perceptions all wrong. Slowly dancing around each other till they cave in doesn't qualify as love. That's Hollywood's BS, and y'all fell for it.

[android654]

JosephDucreux wrote...

android654 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Not afraid of emotions. But Miranda isn't very demonstrative and tends to base decisions on other factors unless Oriana is involved. This is not bad. And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible. As opposed to something specific and unique to to the couple.

+1

The traditional concept of love is too plebeain for Miranda to get swept up in. A fantastic character needs equally fantastic circumstances in order to affect them in the same light. Slowly dancing around one another until they utter out the watered down statement that has been uttered over and over does not fit her character at all.

...That's not love. I think you guys have your perceptions all wrong. Slowly dancing around each other till they cave in doesn't qualify as love. That's Hollywood's BS, and y'all fell for it.

No that's courtship. People meet by interest or infatuation, could be in equal parts could be stronger for one than the other. Time passes, bonds grow connections burrow into the skin and the two become something special to one another. Or is there something you could enlighten us with?

[shepard1038]

No because in 100 years we got from horses to airplanes, automobiles, to breaking the atom.

[AgitatedLemon]

JosephDucreux wrote...

android654 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Not afraid of emotions. But Miranda isn't very demonstrative and tends to base decisions on other factors unless Oriana is involved. This is not bad. And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible. As opposed to something specific and unique to to the couple.

+1

The traditional concept of love is too plebeain for Miranda to get swept up in. A fantastic character needs equally fantastic circumstances in order to affect them in the same light. Slowly dancing around one another until they utter out the watered down statement that has been uttered over and over does not fit her character at all.

...That's not love. I think you guys have your perceptions all wrong. Slowly dancing around each other till they cave in doesn't qualify as love. That's Hollywood's BS, and y'all fell for it.

And this is another valid point. A lot of people I know IRL (And myself) don't fall "in love" the way you see movie characters do it. Granted, the fiction is made that way for a reason.

@android-

How exactly is the "traditional concept of love" somehow below Miranda? She's made it fairly clear in the final romance conversation in ME2 that she's more or less "in love" with Shepard.

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

No because in 100 years we got from horses to airplanes, automobiles, to breaking the atom.

"Impossible" in the sense that people can't do it without assistance. Flying, breathing underwater, lifting extreme weights, etc.

[spirosz]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Wow, that's got to be my favourite Miranda art posted here.  She looks so calm, it's nice. 

[shepard1038]

Emotion can appear in the unlikelinest of situations.lol

[JosephDucreux]

android654 wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

android654 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Not afraid of emotions. But Miranda isn't very demonstrative and tends to base decisions on other factors unless Oriana is involved. This is not bad. And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible. As opposed to something specific and unique to to the couple.

+1

The traditional concept of love is too plebeain for Miranda to get swept up in. A fantastic character needs equally fantastic circumstances in order to affect them in the same light. Slowly dancing around one another until they utter out the watered down statement that has been uttered over and over does not fit her character at all.

...That's not love. I think you guys have your perceptions all wrong. Slowly dancing around each other till they cave in doesn't qualify as love. That's Hollywood's BS, and y'all fell for it.

No that's courtship. People meet by interest or infatuation, could be in equal parts could be stronger for one than the other. Time passes, bonds grow connections burrow into the skin and the two become something special to one another. Or is there something you could enlighten us with?

Now THAT'S love. Not what you described earlier. Dancing round each other doesn't qualify, and who says love has a 'traditional concept'?

[AgitatedLemon]

spiros9110 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Wow, that's got to be my favourite Miranda art posted here.  She looks so calm, it's nice. 

My favorite pictures of her are the "calm" ones.

[jtav]

Again, the problem is it being done in a hackneyed way. I like hearing the three specific words, but "Here's looking at you, kid" is a lot more memorable. And I don't want her soft side to exclude the side that shoots people in the throat, which tends to happen in fiction--hence why some of us praise the icy side to the sky. We know the part of her that loves her sister will show up, but we also value her coldness and don't want to lose it.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Again, the problem is it being done in a hackneyed way. I like hearing the three specific words, but "Here's looking at you, kid" is a lot more memorable. And I don't want her soft side to exclude the side that shoots people in the throat, which tends to happen in fiction--hence why some of us praise the icy side to the sky. We know the part of her that loves her sister will show up, but we also value her coldness and don't want to lose it.

Stop making these awesome posts.

@bold-- Explain, please. Why is it hackneyed? At least for me, I haven't read the romance dialogue, aside from the 1 line Shepard has that was repeatedly posted earlier.

[android654]

JosephDucreux wrote...

android654 wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

android654 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Not afraid of emotions. But Miranda isn't very demonstrative and tends to base decisions on other factors unless Oriana is involved. This is not bad. And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible. As opposed to something specific and unique to to the couple.

+1

The traditional concept of love is too plebeain for Miranda to get swept up in. A fantastic character needs equally fantastic circumstances in order to affect them in the same light. Slowly dancing around one another until they utter out the watered down statement that has been uttered over and over does not fit her character at all.

...That's not love. I think you guys have your perceptions all wrong. Slowly dancing around each other till they cave in doesn't qualify as love. That's Hollywood's BS, and y'all fell for it.

No that's courtship. People meet by interest or infatuation, could be in equal parts could be stronger for one than the other. Time passes, bonds grow connections burrow into the skin and the two become something special to one another. Or is there something you could enlighten us with?

Now THAT'S love. Not what you described earlier. Dancing round each other doesn't qualify, and who says love has a 'traditional concept'?

I wrote the same exact thing. The second post just had a second sentence for clarification.

[shepard1038]

jtav wrote...

Again, the problem is it being done in a hackneyed way. I like hearing the three specific words, but "Here's looking at you, kid" is a lot more memorable. And I don't want her soft side to exclude the side that shoots people in the throat, which tends to happen in fiction--hence why some of us praise the icy side to the sky. We know the part of her that loves her sister will show up, but we also value her coldness and don't want to lose it.

Being icy, heartless and cold isn't a good thing. But don't worry she only is soft with Shepard and Oriana.

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Again, the problem is it being done in a hackneyed way. I like hearing the three specific words, but "Here's looking at you, kid" is a lot more memorable. And I don't want her soft side to exclude the side that shoots people in the throat, which tends to happen in fiction--hence why some of us praise the icy side to the sky. We know the part of her that loves her sister will show up, but we also value her coldness and don't want to lose it.

Being icy, heartless and cold isn't a good thing. But don't worry she only is soft with Shepard and Oriana.

It isn't a good/bad issue at all.

But in Miranda's case (Especially so with her upbringing and childhood), I can fully understand why she's cold. Admittedly, I'd be the same way.

To me at least, her icy cold facade is one reason I love the romance so much. It just wouldn't be the same if she was a stereotypical Juliet.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 02:47 .

[android654]

jtav wrote...

Again, the problem is it being done in a hackneyed way. I like hearing the three specific words, but "Here's looking at you, kid" is a lot more memorable. And I don't want her soft side to exclude the side that shoots people in the throat, which tends to happen in fiction--hence why some of us praise the icy side to the sky. We know the part of her that loves her sister will show up, but we also value her coldness and don't want to lose it.

That's a decent comparison, Rick was a very amazing character for the time period. A globe trotting man of mystery who settled himself into a green-zone or sorts only to be wrapped up in a crazy life he just tried to escape from. Miranda in equal parts wouldn't break down and profess love like an average love sick girl, she's too grandiose of a character for such a thing.

shepard1038 wrote...
Being icy, heartless and cold isn't a good thing. But don't worry she only is soft with Shepard and Oriana.

Those are great qualities for a person to have, especially someone who's supposed to be so incredible as Miranda is portrayed as being.

[jtav]

"Heartlessness" that is, being able to do things that are unpleasant without sentiment can be good. Like executing a colleague-turned-traitor or delaying the SM if not prepared. Miranda doesn't kick puppies for the sake of it, and I'm not asking her to. I'm asking her to do her job and to care about something besides her sister and boyfriend.

Modifié par jtav, 08 février 2012 - 02:55 .

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

"Heartlessness" that is, being able to do things that are unpleasant without sentiment can be good. Like executing a colleague-turned-traitor or delaying the SM if not prepared. Miranda doesn't kick puppies for the sake of it, and I'm not asking her to. I'm asking her to do her jun and to care about something besides her sister and boyfriend.

I assume you meant to put "job", not "jun". I agree with the points you made.

But I'm not sure I understand the final sentence.