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[jtav]

ME3 Miranda--at least what we have so far--is overwhelmingly focused on Oriana and romanced Shepard. Makes me want to kill her off.

[android654]

jtav wrote...

ME3 Miranda--at least what we have so far--is overwhelmingly focused on Oriana and romanced Shepard. Makes me want to kill her off.

That is not good. They took the only cold and rational character and turned her into the classic girlfriend witha little sister issue?

[AgitatedLemon]

Oh.

While I don't disagree with the changes they made (Rather, the purpose of the changes), given the circumstances, I do think they went a little overboard with it.

For me at least, it certainly isn't enough to warrant killing her off though.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

jtav wrote...

ME3 Miranda--at least what we have so far--is overwhelmingly focused on Oriana and romanced Shepard. Makes me want to kill her off.

That seems a little extreme. She is done with Cerberus so its not like she needs to be focused on work 24/7. She has two people she loves dearly, i dont see a problem with that

[jtav]

Well, if you have another way I can not see her in ME3, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm holding out some hope that won't be necessary.

[android654]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

jtav wrote...

ME3 Miranda--at least what we have so far--is overwhelmingly focused on Oriana and romanced Shepard. Makes me want to kill her off.

That seems a little extreme. She is done with Cerberus so its not like she needs to be focused on work 24/7. She has two people she loves dearly, i dont see a problem with that

The problem is, it's not her.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Well, if you have another way I can not see her in ME3, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm holding out some hope that won't be necessary.

Well, you can just avoid talking to her, or otherwise interacting with her. Or just ignore her missions.

[MisterJB]

We are not arguing for Miranda to not have a life outside of her work including loving relationships with Oriana and Shepard.
We simply want Miranda to still be the person who joined a, supposedly, terrorist organization because she believed it was the best way to help the human race.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 février 2012 - 03:08 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

jtav wrote...

Well, if you have another way I can not see her in ME3, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm holding out some hope that won't be necessary.

thats your decision i will leave to that to you, but i honestly love that side of Miranda more

[ClanMacNab]

jtav wrote...

... And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible...

That's entirely dependant on what it means to the person who is saying it. It has meaning to me, and the people I say it to know it. Has the world (or universe) we live in really become so nuanced? If it has, I'm not sure I want anything to do with it.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@ClanMacNab
i personally would love Miranda and Shepard to say it to each other it would mean alot to me

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

jtav wrote...

... And the argument against "I love you" is that we hear them so often, they're invisible...

That's entirely dependant on what it means to the person who is saying it. It has meaning to me, and the people I say it to know it. Has the world (or universe) we live in really become so nuanced? If it has, I'm not sure I want anything to do with it.

Oh look, it's mister philosophizer (intended misspelling). /joke.

You do make a good point though. The problem is more or less the way it would be delivered. If the context isn't appropriate, or Shepard is just saying it for filler dialogue, it comes off as awkward instead of heartfelt, regardless of how he means it.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 03:24 .

[android654]

You know what makes makes it special when someone who's emotionally guarded says something personal? It's the rarity of those moments. The less she says it and expresses it the more weight it has when she expresses it. That however doesn't mean she can do so out of character. Miranda isn't an "I love you," kind of woman.

[ClanMacNab]

Maybe look at it this way. If a person lives their life on the edge the way that Miranda and Shepard do they might possibly also be looking for the deeper meaning of their existence and how their mission in life affects those whom they care about, and want to express it in some way.  We  shouldn't have to live anywhere close to the place they are to ask those questions.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 08 février 2012 - 03:24 .

[jtav]

*Well, she is, but she's dying when she says it*

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

*spoilers removed*

Who are you responding too?

[android654]

ClanMacNab wrote...

Maybe look at it this way. If a person lives their life on the edge the way that Miranda and Shepard do they might possibly also be looking for the deeper meaning of their existence and how their mission in life affects those whom they care about, and want to express it in some way.  We  shouldn't have to live anywhere close to the place they are to ask those questions.

Its hard to factor in Shepard since he's been emotionally inept in the game thus far, so I'll focus on Miranda.

It depends on the person. Someone who lives in emotional seclusion might shut down and become incapable of displaying any emotions at all. Another person might feel profoundly and break down because of it, or become so conflicted with understanding emotions that they might not be able to understand what their emotions are trying to tell them.

Miranda has an alpha personality, her work wouldn't affect her emotionally, since her work allows her to be emotionally comfortable. Without her work keeping her where she is, it fuels her emotions. She's shown she can care for people, like Oriana, but she has to learn where her role is and how she's needed first.

[schemata]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

*spoilers removed*

Who are you responding too?

no quotes or direction irks the lemon every time lol. tbh tho jtav it only gets confusing when you enter in the middle of a discussion

edit: err.. when *I* enter in the middle of a discussion

Modifié par schemata, 08 février 2012 - 03:33 .

[husky husk]

How would you people want Miranda's screen time to be balanced out for ME3? I'm for a 75% main plot 25% romance/personal. But doesn't look like thats going to happen.

[ClanMacNab]

jtav wrote...

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Miranda has already said it. She's a tough lady, but she's still in touch with her feelings...definitely not the ice queen many want her to be.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 08 février 2012 - 03:38 .

[AgitatedLemon]

husky husk wrote...

How would you people want Miranda's screen time to be balanced out for ME3? I'm for a 75% main plot 25% romance/personal. But doesn't look like thats going to happen.

I'd say 65-35 for the people who follow up the romance.

[schemata]

android654 wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

Maybe look at it this way. If a person lives their life on the edge the way that Miranda and Shepard do they might possibly also be looking for the deeper meaning of their existence and how their mission in life affects those whom they care about, and want to express it in some way.  We  shouldn't have to live anywhere close to the place they are to ask those questions.

Its hard to factor in Shepard since he's been emotionally inept in the game thus far, so I'll focus on Miranda.

It depends on the person. Someone who lives in emotional seclusion might shut down and become incapable of displaying any emotions at all. Another person might feel profoundly and break down because of it, or become so conflicted with understanding emotions that they might not be able to understand what their emotions are trying to tell them.

Miranda has an alpha personality, her work wouldn't affect her emotionally, since her work allows her to be emotionally comfortable. Without her work keeping her where she is, it fuels her emotions. She's shown she can care for people, like Oriana, but she has to learn where her role is and how she's needed first.

Good point, I would just want some of that done off screen time, and see a miri whose worked through the intial relationship aspect.  I wouldve liked her sister to be a non issue too btw. Maybe even using her networks to begin building her own organization by me3 rolls around, like the "kernal" of a organization. One thats small enough and flexible enough to dodge and slip by both the alliance and cereberus while contributing big time to the war effort.

[JosephDucreux]

ClanMacNab wrote...

jtav wrote...

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Miranda has already said it. She's a tough lady, but she's still in touch with her feelings...definitely not the ice queen many want her to be.

Exactly. We already had ice queen for half of ME2. I'd rather have the current Miranda than the one-dimensional ice queen so many around here want, and I have no idea why those same people want nothing more than ice queen who's nothing more than a robot. Seriously, what so many people are advocating for Miranda to be around here is nothing more than a human robot.

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

jtav wrote...

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Miranda has already said it. She's a tough lady, but she's still in touch with her feelings...definitely not the ice queen many want her to be.

She's definitely an ice queen while working, or otherwise associating with people she has no connection to. I can do with this in ME3, but given how her content is, it makes more sense for her emotional side to sort of flesh itself out more. What she's involved in is simply too close to home for her. It'd be like if Miranda saw Niket, and immediately felt nothing, despite him being her only friend during childhood, and the only one who wasn't a complete ass to her.

The opening conversations with her on th Lazarus station affirm her icyness. She doesn't really open up until the time Oriana becomes involved, because that's personal.

Actually, now that I think about it, Miranda and Shepard may not have gotten together if it weren't for Oriana being in danger.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 03:43 .

[schemata]

JosephDucreux wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

jtav wrote...

 *snipped*

Miranda has already said it. She's a tough lady, but she's still in touch with her feelings...definitely not the ice queen many want her to be.

Exactly. We already had ice queen for half of ME2. I'd rather have the current Miranda than the one-dimensional ice queen so many around here want, and I have no idea why those same people want nothing more than ice queen who's nothing more than a robot. Seriously, what so many people are advocating for Miranda to be around here is nothing more than a human robot.

havent seen what your talking about.