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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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JosephDucreux wrote...

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Miranda has already said it. She's a tough lady, but she's still in touch with her feelings...definitely not the ice queen many want her to be.


Exactly. We already had ice queen for half of ME2. I'd rather have the current Miranda than the one-dimensional ice queen so many around here want, and I have no idea why those same people want nothing more than ice queen who's nothing more than a robot. Seriously, what so many people are advocating for Miranda to be around here is nothing more than a human robot.


I'd prefer her to be a machine than just someone's girlfriend.


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ClanMacNab wrote...

Maybe look at it this way. If a person lives their life on the edge the way that Miranda and Shepard do they might possibly also be looking for the deeper meaning of their existence and how their mission in life affects those whom they care about, and want to express it in some way.  We  shouldn't have to live anywhere close to the place they are to ask those questions.


Its hard to factor in Shepard since he's been emotionally inept in the game thus far, so I'll focus on Miranda.

It depends on the person. Someone who lives in emotional seclusion might shut down and become incapable of displaying any emotions at all. Another person might feel profoundly and break down because of it, or become so conflicted with understanding emotions that they might not be able to understand what their emotions are trying to tell them.

Miranda has an alpha personality, her work wouldn't affect her emotionally, since her work allows her to be emotionally comfortable. Without her work keeping her where she is, it fuels her emotions. She's shown she can care for people, like Oriana, but she has to learn where her role is and how she's needed first.


Good point, I would just want some of that done off screen time, and see a miri whose worked through the intial relationship aspect.  I wouldve liked her sister to be a non issue too btw. Maybe even using her networks to begin building her own organization by me3 rolls around, like the "kernal" of a organization. One thats small enough and flexible enough to dodge and slip by both the alliance and cereberus while contributing big time to the war effort.


I would've liked to have seen something similar. Miranda's work is a fairly large part of who the character is.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

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Miranda has already said it. She's a tough lady, but she's still in touch with her feelings...definitely not the ice queen many want her to be.


She's definitely an ice queen while working, or otherwise associating with people she has no connection to. I can do with this in ME3, but given how her content is, it makes more sense for her emotional side to sort of flesh itself out more. What she's involved in is simply too close to home for her. It'd be like if Miranda saw Niket, and immediately felt nothing, despite him being her only friend during childhood, and the only one who wasn't a complete ass to her.

The opening conversations with her on th Lazarus station affirm her icyness. She doesn't really open up until the time Oriana becomes involved, because that's personal.

Actually, now that I think about it, Miranda and Shepard may not have gotten together if it weren't for Oriana being in danger.


Maybe not. Mirandas emotional detachment is very common in many people who find themselves leading others into risky situations. That paradigm doesn't apply too well to Shepard, though, so maybe having Oriana opening that door might not have been necessary.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 08 février 2012 - 03:52 .


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I guess, but I can't really think of a scenario where the two of them would get together without Oriana (Or a similar, close and personal matter).

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I don't think there would be. Then again, I don't really buy their relationship being anything other than the convenience of the ship. I honestly see Miranda as the type of person who only has short lived relationships. It's simply who she is.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

I guess, but I can't really think of a scenario where the two of them would get together without Oriana (Or a similar, close and personal matter).


Seems that many of lifes turning points involve a catalyst of some sort, sometimes very subtle, sometimes right in your face...

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JosephDucreux wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

jtav wrote...

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Miranda has already said it. She's a tough lady, but she's still in touch with her feelings...definitely not the ice queen many want her to be.


Exactly. We already had ice queen for half of ME2. I'd rather have the current Miranda than the one-dimensional ice queen so many around here want, and I have no idea why those same people want nothing more than ice queen who's nothing more than a robot. Seriously, what so many people are advocating for Miranda to be around here is nothing more than a human robot.

I don't want her to be the ice queen again, but at the same time I don't want her to be so absorbed with Oriana and a romanced Shep that that's her main concern.

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android654 wrote...

I don't think there would be. Then again, I don't really buy their relationship being anything other than the convenience of the ship. I honestly see Miranda as the type of person who only has short lived relationships. It's simply who she is.


"What idiotic bunch of hormones thought that now was a great time for love?"

"It doesn't matter. What's important is how we feel"

"... Dammit"

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android654 wrote...

I don't think there would be. Then again, I don't really buy their relationship being anything other than the convenience of the ship. I honestly see Miranda as the type of person who only has short lived relationships. It's simply who she is.


I'm still believing we need to learn a lot more about her very veiled character, and that story will be told in the next chapter...at least it damn well better be.

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ClanMacNab wrote...

android654 wrote...

I don't think there would be. Then again, I don't really buy their relationship being anything other than the convenience of the ship. I honestly see Miranda as the type of person who only has short lived relationships. It's simply who she is.


I'm still believing we need to learn a lot more about her very veiled character, and that story will be told in the next chapter...at least it damn well better be.


Also this.

While we have a fair amount of Miranda in ME2, it's more or less the same thing. Either her cold exterior, or her emotional, personal side. There isn't much of a middle ground.

Note: Regarding the romance.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

I don't think there would be. Then again, I don't really buy their relationship being anything other than the convenience of the ship. I honestly see Miranda as the type of person who only has short lived relationships. It's simply who she is.


"What idiotic bunch of hormones thought that now was a great time for love?"

"It doesn't matter. What's important is how we feel"

"... Dammit"


I don't see how that implies longevity. I also think a lot of emotions are undiscovered territory for Miranda. If someone with strong knowledge of their emotions can fall victim and misread their own feelings then I think Miranda would fall sevenfold harder.

I think she's misinterpreting gratitude for love which is more common in relationships than you'd think. Without the
breakneck speed she goes from meeting Shepard, saving Oriana, and taking on the collectors, Shepard wouldn't even have crossed her mind.

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The fact that she's knowingly and voluntarily putting herself into the situation implies that she's willing to at least attempt a lasting relationship.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 04:23 .


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"What idiotic bunch of Hormones thought that now was a great time for Love"

- "It doesn't matter. What matters is how we feel...."

"Dammit...."

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How would you people want Miranda's screen time to be balanced out for ME3? I'm for a 75% main plot 25% romance/personal. But doesn't look like thats going to happen.


The way things appear to be going the personal aspect won't be adequately addressed with the ratio you describe and the time they have apparently allotted to her part of the story.

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ClanMacNab wrote...

husky husk wrote...

How would you people want Miranda's screen time to be balanced out for ME3? I'm for a 75% main plot 25% romance/personal. But doesn't look like thats going to happen.


The way things appear to be going the personal aspect won't be adequately addressed with the ratio you describe and the time they have apparently allotted to her part of the story.


Another reason why her role being reduced was (imo) a bad idea.

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Well she certainly hasn't met someone quite like Shepard.

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shepard1038 wrote...

Well she certainly hasn't met someone quite like Shepard.


True that.

She probably hasn't met anyone who matches her, let alone exceeds her in some areas.

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Face it Miri and Shepard (Us) are the Super Couple in the Galaxy.

In my ME Story, Miri and I are the Super Biotic Couple in the Galaxy<3.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 février 2012 - 04:45 .


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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Face Miri and Shepard (Us) are the Super Couple in the Galaxy.

In my ME Story, Miri and I are the Super Biotic Couple in the Galaxy<3.


:D

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@AgitatedLemon
Thats why i think they are one of the most compatible couple in the mass effect series.

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"Mr. and Mrs. Shepard"

Rated R

Except in this movie, Miri and Shepard don't attempt to kill each other.

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ClanMacNab wrote...

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Our favorite woman.

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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

"Mr. and Mrs. Shepard"

Rated R

Except in this movie, Miri and Shepard don't attempt to kill each other.


Instead they just...

Actaully, I won't elaborate into that.

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android654 wrote...

I don't think there would be. Then again, I don't really buy their relationship being anything other than the convenience of the ship. I honestly see Miranda as the type of person who only has short lived relationships. It's simply who she is.


We'll have to see, Shepard's line if he chooses to continue the relationship in the leak makes it apparent that he's not looking for a fling. Of course there's always the chance that we could have another Isabela romance on our hands:

Captain's Cabin


Vega: What's with all these model ships?

Shepard: Chambers said I needed a hobby. Had to "find a constuctive way" to deal with my problems after what happened on Horizon.

Vega: Why? You start hitting the bottle or something?

Shepard: No, the week I went to Horizon was the same week I destroyed that relay.

Vega: Oh. Well at least you've still got Miranda.

Shepard: (sighs) EDI, remind me to pick up more models when we dock on the Citadel.

Vega: Uh, I should go...check the shuttle or something.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

"Mr. and Mrs. Shepard"

Rated R

Except in this movie, Miri and Shepard don't attempt to kill each other.


Instead they just...

Actaully, I won't elaborate into that.

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