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[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

kainee wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Their excuse is "she coulda died".

Oh please <_<
Ridiculous excuse.

I never said it was a good excuse.

Like I said earlier, I could write a 10 page essay on why their logic is so incredibly idiotic and hamfisted.

You'd need 10 pages for that? I need only two words: Garrus, Tali

Having said that - I'll repeat this until I'm blue in the face - there are two separate issues here: Miranda not being not on the team is not necessarily a bad thing. It gives her more independence from Shepard and there's the option to have a parallel storyline whose parts are mostly off-screen, but still there. The real issue is: what are they doing with the potential opened by the decision to not put her on the the team, and will Miranda have a satisfactory screen presence in spite of it. That's where things don't look so good at the moment. 

[wright1978]

kainee wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Yes, I mean a fresh Me3 playthrought with no import, surprisingly only Tali and Garrus survived.

Is this official ?

And they dare say that Miranda has a large role ? She's so insignificant, she's not even in the default ME3 game.

I've obviously missed that news. I'd always assumed the default would be no one dying on suicide mission.

[shepard1038]

Do you think that there would be a love scene with Shepard with Miranda in Mass Effect 3?

Modifié par shepard1038, 08 février 2012 - 08:57 .

[wright1978]

jtav wrote...

ME3 Miranda--at least what we have so far--is overwhelmingly focused on Oriana and romanced Shepard. Makes me want to kill her off.

Well i'm not quite at that extreme. I'll just manufacture some kind of head canon to complete the playthrough & try and get some sort of closure.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

kainee wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Their excuse is "she coulda died".

Oh please <_<
Ridiculous excuse.

I never said it was a good excuse.

Like I said earlier, I could write a 10 page essay on why their logic is so incredibly idiotic and hamfisted.

You'd need 10 pages for that? I need only two words: Garrus, Tali

Having said that - I'll repeat this until I'm blue in the face - there are two separate issues here: Miranda not being not on the team is not necessarily a bad thing. It gives her more independence from Shepard and there's the option to have a parallel storyline whose parts are mostly off-screen, but still there. The real issue is: what are they doing with the potential opened by the decision to not put her on the the team, and will Miranda have a satisfactory screen presence in spite of it. That's where things don't look so good at the moment. 

I know. In fact, I brought up Garrus and Tali, and I'll continue to bring them up when discussing this issue. I guess I just prefer to go in-depth to my points, so people don't ask me questions later.

I still think they wasted a fair bit of potential by not having her on the team, in the same vein as Tali and Garrus, but I won't explain myself. I tihnk I've gone over it enough times.

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think that there would be a sex scene with Shepard with Miranda in Mass Effect 3?

No real reason NOT to. It's safe to assume each of the squad-romances will have a sex scene, plus the non-squad romances (Allers, Cortez, Samantha), so why not Miranda and the ME2 guys/girls?

@wright- 9/10 times, headcanons are better than the actual games script, which is sad.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think that there would be a sex scene with Shepard with Miranda in Mass Effect 3?

No real reason NOT to. It's safe to assume each of the squad-romances will have a sex scene, plus the non-squad romances (Allers, Cortez, Samantha), so why not Miranda and the ME2 guys/girls?

@wright- 9/10 times, headcanons are better than the actual games script, which is sad.

I only heard of a scene where they kissed does that translate into a sex scene or not ?

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think that there would be a sex scene with Shepard with Miranda in Mass Effect 3?

No real reason NOT to. It's safe to assume each of the squad-romances will have a sex scene, plus the non-squad romances (Allers, Cortez, Samantha), so why not Miranda and the ME2 guys/girls?

@wright- 9/10 times, headcanons are better than the actual games script, which is sad.

I only heard of a scene where they kissed does that translate into a sex scene or not ?

The romance is more than 1 scene, so no, that is almost certainly not it.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think that there would be a sex scene with Shepard with Miranda in Mass Effect 3?

No real reason NOT to. It's safe to assume each of the squad-romances will have a sex scene, plus the non-squad romances (Allers, Cortez, Samantha), so why not Miranda and the ME2 guys/girls?

@wright- 9/10 times, headcanons are better than the actual games script, which is sad.

I only heard of a scene where they kissed does that translate into a sex scene or not ?

The romance is more than 1 scene, so no, that is almost certainly not it.

Also I heard that you can call you're Li various times to you're Captain Quarters and that translate into a love scene.

[wright1978]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think that there would be a sex scene with Shepard with Miranda in Mass Effect 3?

No real reason NOT to. It's safe to assume each of the squad-romances will have a sex scene, plus the non-squad romances (Allers, Cortez, Samantha), so why not Miranda and the ME2 guys/girls?

@wright- 9/10 times, headcanons are better than the actual games script, which is sad.

Headcanons to make playing the game tolerable are less fun.

I don't think it is safe to assume anything regarding ME2 exclusives romance content.

[Ieldra]

shepard1038 wrote...

kainee wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Yes, I mean a fresh Me3 playthrought with no import, surprisingly only Tali and Garrus survived.

Is this official ?

And they dare say that Miranda has a large role ? She's so insignificant, she's not even in the default ME3 game.

I hear people from the leak group say that.

That's not what we've been saying. I think Miranda will be alive in non-imported games, but she may not be loyal, which *may* mean that in non-imported games, her ME3 story arc will end with her death. The reason why some of us think this is that the version of her story that ends with her death has received a suspicious amount of attention on the writers' part. However, things may appear to us that way just because the version where she survives is so intertwined with the main plot that it needed Mac Walters' personal attention, and my impression is that his parts were done so late they aren't in the leak. There's pretty hard evidence of at least one missing such scene.

It's also been speculated that Jacob's and Miranda's missions may be mutually exclusive, and that if you do one the character associated with the other will die off-screen. The reason why some think this is that both their missions appear to provide the same plot-important benefit. 

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think that there would be a sex scene with Shepard with Miranda in Mass Effect 3?

No real reason NOT to. It's safe to assume each of the squad-romances will have a sex scene, plus the non-squad romances (Allers, Cortez, Samantha), so why not Miranda and the ME2 guys/girls?

@wright- 9/10 times, headcanons are better than the actual games script, which is sad.

I only heard of a scene where they kissed does that translate into a sex scene or not ?

The romance is more than 1 scene, so no, that is almost certainly not it.

Also I heard that you can call you're Li various times to you're Captain Quarters and that translate into a love scene.

I've heard the same, but I don't know if it's true or not.

@Ieldra- If they're mutually exclusive, then... *shrug* Later, Jacob. See you in the afterlife.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 09:11 .

[ThomGau]

Hey guys, I'm back, I've been busy and didn't feel like posting.

I read that some of you don't like the idea of an "I love you" .
@Ieldra : Could you clarify your point about it being a trite please ?

I assume you meant that people nowadays tend to tell others "I love you" way too easily. Actually it is true, I know a few girls who would tell that to all of their friends because it's cool. However some people don't have an easy "I love you" and give to this line a particular value.
I'm pretty sure Miranda and Shepard belong to the second category, if not, I'm completely wrong about my interpretation of these characters but I don't think I am . In my opinion, both have never told that to anyone before.
It might be a little bit cliché, but clichés are sometimes good, it doesn't hurt to tell someone that you really love her/him even if s/he already knows that, especially if s/he is the "one".
Moreover, as jtav said, I want Shepard to say that, we should have an option. I don't remember him ever saying the word "love" seriously in the previous games.

[JosephDucreux]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

"Mr. and Mrs. Shepard"

Rated R

Except in this movie, Miri and Shepard don't attempt to kill each other.

Instead they just...

Actaully, I won't elaborate into that.

They shoot at each other. In a rather different fashion.

[JosephDucreux]

shepard1038 wrote...
And the thing that is funny. Is that in the Me2 canon save the only ones that survive is Tali and Garrus.

WHAT. Are you f*cking kidding me?!

[Ieldra]

JosephDucreux wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
And the thing that is funny. Is that in the Me2 canon save the only ones that survive is Tali and Garrus.

WHAT. Are you f*cking kidding me?!

I believe this is wrong. No idea where it came from. Apparently there are different pre-sets for starting the game with if you don't import. They range from "everyone is alive" to "everyone but Kasumi and Morinth is dead".

@Shepard1038:
Would you please clarify where you got that rumor? 

[Ieldra]

ThomGau wrote...
I read that some of you don't like the idea of an "I love you" .
@Ieldra : Could you clarify your point about it being a trite please ?

I assume you meant that people nowadays tend to tell others "I love you" way too easily. Actually it is true, I know a few girls who would tell that to all of their friends because it's cool. However some people don't have an easy "I love you" and give to this line a particular value.
I'm pretty sure Miranda and Shepard belong to the second category, if not, I'm completely wrong about my interpretation of these characters but I don't think I am . In my opinion, both have never told that to anyone before.
It might be a little bit cliché, but clichés are sometimes good, it doesn't hurt to tell someone that you really love her/him even if s/he already knows that, especially if s/he is the "one".
Moreover, as jtav said, I want Shepard to say that, we should have an option. I don't remember him ever saying the word "love" seriously in the previous games.

I believe the words are trite because they're overused and furthermore, nobody actually knows what they mean. That's part of the reason they're cliche - they're more or less empty. Or have become empty. That some don't use them lightly makes no difference in that.

I like the phrase Shepard uses in that scene jtav mentioned abovethread. I can't imagine Mark Meer saying them with conviction, but I'll give him a chance.

[JosephDucreux]

In all honesty, I'm not really THAT surprised Bioware decided to bend over backwards to please the raging little children. I guess as adults we should give in to the kids after all.

[ClanMacNab]

Ieldra2 wrote...

...It's also been speculated that Jacob's and Miranda's missions may be mutually exclusive, and that if you do one the character associated with the other will die off-screen. The reason why some think this is that both their missions appear to provide the same plot-important benefit. 

It doesn't surprise me that they may have created a 'Virmire decision' for Jacob and Miranda, their history both together and independant of one another and their character development fit well with that sort of plot vehicle.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 08 février 2012 - 01:12 .

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I like the phrase Shepard uses in that scene jtav mentioned abovethread. I can't imagine Mark Meer saying them with conviction, but I'll give him a chance.

Agreed.
He may have progressed in the emotional department for the ME3 VA recording.

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...
I don't think it is safe to assume anything regarding ME2 exclusives romance content.

Agreed. Some of the romance dialog in the leak is the highlight of the Miranda material, but there doesn't appear to be a "romance culmination" scene. There's a sort of... romantic interlude that gets interrupted. It's hard to place in terms of context and location.

Jack does appear to have a fade-to-black scene that will likely at least imply sex. Thane and Jacob, no. So, I don't think we can assume anything on that front.

Doesn't mean there won't be one, necessarily, just that we can't assume it based on the leak (it would have to be missing along with other stuff).

Ieldra2 wrote...
They range from "everyone is alive" to "everyone but Kasumi and Morinth is dead".

That's interesting to note, if indeed Kasumi and Morinth are the only characters who can't be preset as dead in non-imported games.

Modifié par flemm, 08 février 2012 - 01:58 .

[JosephDucreux]

As of now, ME3 feels like nothing more than a half-assed job by Bioware to meet deadlines. Instead of being better than its predecessor, it's now worse.

[jtav]

I wouldn't go that far. Banter and characterization are much improved. Moral choices are more complex. RPG mechanics are deeper. Miranda's role being bad is not the same as the game being bad.

[Melra]

jtav wrote...

I wouldn't go that far. Banter and characterization are much improved. Moral choices are more complex. RPG mechanics are deeper. Miranda's role being bad is not the same as the game being bad.

For some it might be, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. They can call it a bad game for whatever reason, I think the game is partially due to the added MP and that I'll hold onto. :innocent:

[adamross]

shepard1038 wrote...

Do you think that there would be a love scene with Shepard with Miranda in Mass Effect 3?

HAS TO!