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[jtav]

I'd say most of the rest (bar Jacob) got good deals. I came out of the leak liking them more. But I really wish Oriana had been accidentally killed on the LM right now.

[kainee]

Skullheart wrote...

You choose the wrong LI, now go and pick Liara, or the dextro team. BW made them to be the perfect LI.

I'm receiving that kind of vibes...

Yeah me too. <_<
The only result is my increasing hate for these characters.

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think she's about even with Thane, and what he accomplishes happens regardless.

Thane? Really, Thane? An optional character in ME2?

Hey, equal treatment, and all that.

No, no, that's complete BS.

[AgitatedLemon]

S.A.K wrote...

OK I get you are pretty unhappy about the given content for Miranda. What will make you guys happy. Its obvious she won't be a squad mate. So other than that?

-More content

-If the above isn't applicable, then increase the overall quality of her current content

-The romance, from Miranda's end, could be hugely improved

There are some more things but those are largely my thoughts, more people may not share them.

[kainee]

S.A.K wrote...

OK I get you are pretty unhappy about the given content for Miranda. What will make you guys happy. Its obvious she won't be a squad mate. So other than that?

Most of the things that would make me happy are gone because she's not a squadmate and because of the lack of screentime.

Modifié par kainee, 08 février 2012 - 05:19 .

[jtav]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think she's about even with Thane, and what he accomplishes happens regardless.

Thane? Really, Thane? An optional character in ME2?

Also a poster character.

As for what would make me happy:

--bring her idealism back into focus
--give her a unique contribution comparable to Mordin's or Legion's
--have her discuss her time with Cerberus at length

[AgitatedLemon]

kainee wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

OK I get you are pretty unhappy about the given content for Miranda. What will make you guys happy. Its obvious she won't be a squad mate. So other than that?

Most of the things that would make me happy are gone because she's not a squadmate.

While I can understand why she's not on the squad, it doesn't make me any less bitter that she isn't.

Especially considering Liara's squad role.

[MisterJB]

S.A.K wrote...

OK I get you are pretty unhappy about the given content for Miranda. What will make you guys happy. Its obvious she won't be a squad mate. So other than that?

First and foremost, I wish for her moral ambiguity to still be present. I would like for her to do something that would make your average player dislike her akin to shooting Wilson, "threatening" Shepard with a control chip, suggest the crew to be left behind, etc.
Second, I wish for Miranda to present an option of human advancement different from TIM's.
Third, I wish for her Cerberus arc to have a conclusion, just like her family arc will. This might or might not involve a confrontation with TIM that we can see.
Fourth, I wish for her to have a contribution to the endgame that would be unattainable were she dead.
Fifth, I wish for a romance scene between Miranda and Shepard.

[kainee]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

kainee wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

OK I get you are pretty unhappy about the given content for Miranda. What will make you guys happy. Its obvious she won't be a squad mate. So other than that?

Most of the things that would make me happy are gone because she's not a squadmate.

While I can understand why she's not on the squad, it doesn't make me any less bitter that she isn't.

Especially considering Liara's squad role.

At the begining of the game, yes I understand that she's not, but the fact that she never join the team ? No, this is an absolutely dumb decision I will never forgive. 

[STJebus]

**** Liara

[flemm]

S.A.K wrote...

OK I get you are pretty unhappy about the given content for Miranda. What will make you guys happy. Its obvious she won't be a squad mate. So other than that?

Well, this has been covered at some length in the thread, unsurprisingly.

Some people will not be happy unless she is a squad member. I can't say I really blame them (she should be a squad member for at least a significant chunk of the game).

Other fans are more focused on the character's own story arcs and her impact on the big picture, so that means Miranda providing an option in the Cerberus arc that isn't there without her, or accomplishing something significant that doesn't happen otherwise, contributing to the war effort in a significant manner, etc.

Also, everybody would agree that there should be an actual romance scene.

Modifié par flemm, 08 février 2012 - 05:25 .

[Skullheart]

What I still want for her:

- Closure with her past with Cerberus.
- Her vision about human advancement.
- A confrontation with TIM. Even if I like the fact that she have a confrontation with her father, she still needs a confrontation with TIM, she was with her father during 15-17. WithCerberus and TIM all her adult life.
- Important contribution to the war. I wanted she leading the Cerberus remnants, the indoctrinated and those who are loyal to the cause (Oleg, Brynn, et).

Even Liara has some lines to TIM, but Miranda nothing at all.

Modifié par Skullheart, 08 février 2012 - 09:53 .

[AgitatedLemon]

kainee wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

kainee wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

OK I get you are pretty unhappy about the given content for Miranda. What will make you guys happy. Its obvious she won't be a squad mate. So other than that?

Most of the things that would make me happy are gone because she's not a squadmate.

While I can understand why she's not on the squad, it doesn't make me any less bitter that she isn't.

Especially considering Liara's squad role.

At the begining of the game, yes I understand that she's not, but the fact that she never join the team ? No, this is an absolutely dumb decision I will never forgive. 

That's a good point. One that I've (And I'm sure other people) thought about, at length, before.

[AgitatedLemon]

Skullheart wrote...

Even Liara have some lines to TIM, but Miranda nothing at all.

wut

Liara?

All of the people that basically necessitate a confrontation with TIM, and they thought Liara was one of them?

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 05:31 .

[jtav]

She needs a less foolish reason for being off the squad. The one she has now feels like "we can't think of a good reason why she doesn't join, so we'll stick her with a plot device"

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Even Liara have some lines to TIM, but Miranda nothing at all.

wut

Liara?

All of the people that basically necessitate a confrontation with TIM, and they thought Liara was one of them?

Liara met TIM in Redemption so I can accept this. It happens on Mars, right?
I just hope Miranda will also get a confrontation with him onscreen.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 février 2012 - 05:32 .

[jtav]

I really don't understand what they're doing with Miranda and Cerberus.

[kainee]

Skullheart wrote...

Even Liara have some lines to TIM, but Miranda nothing at all.

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Even Liara have some lines to TIM, but Miranda nothing at all.

wut

Liara?

All of the people that basically necessitate a confrontation with TIM, and they thought Liara was one of them?

Liara met TIM in Redemption so I can accept this. It happens on Mars, right?
I just hope Miranda will also get a confrontation with him onscreen.

That doesn't make it necessary, though.

Like I said, Liara doesn't scream "Needs a TIM confrontation" the way Miranda does.

[MisterJB]

Of course she doesn't, but since Liara is a permanent squadmate (nothing anyone can do about that now) and she has had previous contact with TIM, I am ok with her having a few chosen lines for him.
Of course Miranda needs the same. No one has brought that into question.

[CrutchCricket]

I think it's an experiment to see how many times we can repeat the same issues over and over...

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I think it's an experiment to see how many times we can repeat the same issues over and over...

When the choices they made are so glaringly stupid, I will continue to complain about it.

[jtav]

Heck, I could even tolerate something like we get with Kelly. I'd also reverse her motivations for going to *spoiler* She works to locate and destroy it from the beginning, and Oriana enters the picture later.