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[Ieldra]

ViSeirA wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well she's the most used squadmate. BW said as much. Which just proves her skills are insane. And it's perfectly possible to love her and not her romance. I don't think any game stats measure fondness for the character per se.

I always heard that but never found a source, was it a dev reply? or what exactly?

Brenon Holmes said it in a tweet.

[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well she's the most used squadmate. BW said as much. Which just proves her skills are insane. And it's perfectly possible to love her and not her romance. I don't think any game stats measure fondness for the character per se.

I always heard that but never found a source, was it a dev reply? or what exactly?

Brenon Holmes said it in a tweet.

Strange, can't find it in his feed, he doesn't seem to tweet much... he might have deleted it though, thanks for the info :-)

Modifié par ViSeirA, 02 juillet 2011 - 08:50 .

[jtav]

It was a PM, not a tweet.

[Td1984]

Rawke wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

@ O Tucker

Channeling Captain Kirrahe?

More like channeling Aragorn. A modified "Hold the line!" speech would've been more appropriate though.

Hey, he works too. He's my favorite LotR character. That's all I'll say about it as I don't want to stray too off-topic.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

It was a PM, not a tweet.

Yep and it's no surprise either...I don't think there's another character as versatile as Miranda for Insanity...I take her everywhere.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 02 juillet 2011 - 10:28 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jtav wrote...

It was a PM, not a tweet.

Yep and it's no surprise either...I don't think there's another character as versatile as Miranda for Insanity...I take her everywhere.

Me too.<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3^_^

[Repearized Miranda]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jtav wrote...

It was a PM, not a tweet.

Yep and it's no surprise either...I don't think there's another character as versatile as Miranda for Insanity...I take her everywhere.

This is what I did, too and will in ME3 (given her availability of course)

[goofyomnivore]

She has the passive damage, Overload, and Warp. She is pretty much perfect for any battlefield. Miranda being the gameplay lead designer's favorite character may have something to do with it or it may not :-).

[jtav]

I don't think it does. I think they deliberately rigged it so players would use her. Why I don't know.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

My dad always says- If you stand for something, some people will hate you. If you want to be loved by many, stand for nothing.

Kinda appropriate for Miranda.

[Repearized Miranda]

jtav wrote...

I don't think it does. I think they deliberately rigged it so players would use her. Why I don't know.

Are you kidding me? I guess most used Garrus because they rigged that, too. Her being rigged would be no worse than using the Soldier/Sentinel characters - in fact, that's the outcry on this forum at least.

Btw, could you say the same for Ashley now?

(You do know I'm kidding, right?)

[demonic_cookie]

I was told to go here with this although it's a ME2 thing... So sorry if it's off-topic. I'm replaying ME2 now and paying a lot of attention to Miranda because I always felt there was just something to the character I didn't quite 'get'... Plus I'm writing and she needs to be there, and I like to understand the characters I write, especially fanfic. So.

She is to-the-point during the escape, in the end scene displays some really awesome deadpan humor... She's short with you before Freedom's Progress, and I loved her "We have a job to do, we can talk about it or we can do it." Yet after that at the Normandy she is instantly nicer and warmer to you. It can be that she's warmed up to you now that you've signed up with the mission, or maybe the Illusive Man said her to 'be nice', but I was frankly more intrigued by the pre-FP Miranda. Am I just choosing the wrong options? I'm just... at a loss >_> Why would she be this nice so quickly, and spill her life story, especially if you just let Vitor go with Tali? Doesn't compute for me, and seems OOC.

Modifié par demonic_cookie, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:14 .

[LuxDragon]

I think it's more, 'if we're going to work together' kinda of thing. Besides, there's the 'legend' and the 'man' sort of deal going on with Shepard. You can read about him/her, but not really know until you see it with your own eyes.

Miranda probably doubted Shepard's abilities until FP. He came in, got the job done, and set them on their new course, all while being recently deceased. Probably earned some respect or rep with her.

[jtav]

Honestly? I think it's a reflection of two things: she was written by multiple people and that there's very little dialogue. She warms up faster than she should because of resource constraints.

[MisterJB]

Agreed partially with Lux. Miranda does not let personal feelings get in the way of the mission and probrably saw that there's no point in being hostile to the person she'll be workind under. However, she admitted to respecting Shepard a great deal so, I believe that she was also trying to recruit him, show him that Cerberus is not his enemy.

Also, in order to prevent her from "spilling her life story" so soon, I usually wait until all obligatory squadmates have been recruted before having her second conversation.

Modifié par MisterJB, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:37 .

[Repearized Miranda]

jtav wrote...

Honestly? I think it's a reflection of two things: she was written by multiple people and that there's very little dialogue. She warms up faster than she should because of resource constraints.

Do you think that's what happened with the Base thing?

Act I: "No, TIM is right!"
Act II: "I'm not so sure!"
Act III: (to TIM) "You're dead wrong!"

[jtav]

Yes I do. It's all rather rushed.

And I really, really miss Prologue!Miranda.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

@JB You mean just the first for dossiers? Or did you mean the second conversation to pursue a Romantic Relationship?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:41 .

[TomY90]

demonic_cookie wrote...

Why would she be this nice so quickly, and spill her life story, especially if you just let Vitor go with Tali? Doesn't compute for me, and seems OOC.

I am no Bioware story expert nor am I an expert on Miranda but I have theories on this (below)


First Theory
After the missions success on Freedoms Progress The Illusive Man (TIM) told her to make Shepard feel at home in Cerberus by also mentioning that it will increase the odds of the mission being a success which is probably why she is more open to you to make you feel more part of cerberus so that mission is more likely to be success.

However this theory does cause the question mark on how does it become under orders to being close friends or more so considering she does not seem the type to go that far just under orders, but it could be that she began to see that you are the same as her in many ways and eventually fall for each other.

Second Theory (combination due to it being her decision not external influences)
She opened up to you because she has spent 2 years of her life (granted she has a lot longer to live) and felt she knew everything about you to the smallest detail (probably knows more about you than you do yourself considering you spent most of that time on the operating table).

She likely felt she spent that long bringing you back and she might as well let him/her find out more about the person who saved there life.

She probably as well wanted you to get to know her more to make her feel in a sense more human because she believes that she is not perfect and you are perfect. (she likely sees herself in you as well considering her opinion on you)


i hope my theories are what you are interested in but there are my personal opinion on some of the theories on why she opened up to you.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

TomY90 wrote...


I am no Bioware story expert nor am I an expert on Miranda but I have theories on this (below)


First Theory
After the missions success on Freedoms Progress The Illusive Man (TIM) told her to make Shepard feel at home in Cerberus by also mentioning that it will increase the odds of the mission being a success which is probably why she is more open to you to make you feel more part of cerberus so that mission is more likely to be success.

However this theory does cause the question mark on how does it become under orders to being close friends or more so considering she does not seem the type to go that far just under orders, but it could be that she began to see that you are the same as her in many ways and eventually fall for each other.

Second Theory (combination due to it being her decision not external influences)
She opened up to you because she has spent 2 years of her life (granted she has a lot longer to live) and felt she knew everything about you to the smallest detail (probably knows more about you than you do yourself considering you spent most of that time on the operating table).

She likely felt she spent that long bringing you back and she might as well let him/her find out more about the person who saved there life.

She probably as well wanted you to get to know her more to make her feel in a sense more human because she believes that she is not perfect and you are perfect. (she likely sees herself in you as well considering her opinion on you)

It's like the Romance with Miri was meant to be.<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3^_^

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:47 .

[MisterJB]

101: The first time she talks about her father. I usually have that conversation rigth before Horizon.

jtav wrote...
Yes I do. It's all rather rushed.

Keeping the Base could be a Moral Event Horizon, in which case she could have resigned because of this single suggestion from TIM and still make sense.
Not saying that it is, only that it's a possibility.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

101: The first time she talks about her father. I usually have that conversation rigth before Horizon.

That does make sense. 

[jtav]

Here's my working model.

First conversation occurs after Omega. Miranda puts on the charm to recruit Shepard. Don't speak to her again until her LM. She gives you an abbreviated version of her past because she has to. After Shepard proves to be trustworthy, she gives the full version. Conversation three ("I wanted to apologize") occurs after the Collector Ship. No romance.

[Repearized Miranda]

MisterJB wrote...

101: The first time she talks about her father. I usually have that conversation rigth before Horizon.

jtav wrote...
Yes I do. It's all rather rushed.

Keeping the Base could be a Moral Event Horizon, in which case she could have resigned because of this single suggestion from TIM and still make sense.
Not saying that it is, only that it's a possibility.

I used the "She opened her eyes" and "changed her mnd" argument as well citing the Niket discussion, but all most saw was the bad writing. I didn't say it wasn't, but from my pov, I saw how she came to that conclusion from Act I to Act III

[naledgeborn]

Shepard is the first medical resurrection in recorded history. For all her might, as Samara would put it, I'm sure she didn't know what to exactly expect when Shepard came to in that med bay. After the success at Freedom's Progress I think she was thoroughly convinced that the person leading them was indeed Shepard, and that Project Lazarus was a success.

Also like some people suggested her warming up to Shepard could be a psychological thing and she's misplacing the maternal instincts she craves so towards what is ultimately her "creation".