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[jtav]

Catharsis. Because we're angry and need to vent with the like-minded.

[AgitatedLemon]

jreezy wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jreezy wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

I think it's an experiment to see how many times we can repeat the same issues over and over...

When the choices they made are so glaringly stupid, I will continue to complain about it.

What good will that do?

The intention isn't to do anything.

It usually is, why complain otherwise?

For starters, try reading the rest of my post.

[AstronautN7]

flemm wrote...

It's... interesting that the leaked material seems designed to please exactly no one (among fans of the character, I mean).

Some fans, I think, are most interested in the companion/squad member/spend time with Miranda/romance side of things. They certainly won't be happy, as Miranda isn't around much at all in the leak: no squad, no actual romance scene, no significant time on the Normandy (to the extent she is ever onboard at all).

Other fans are more focused on Miranda having a big impact on the war, being independant, accomplishing something important. Whereas in the leak she does nothing of note and her involvement in the Cerberus plot is of negligible importance, as far as the character's motivations and the actual impact of her actions are concerned.

In addition, no solid reason is given as to why she can't be around and can't join up (because she isn't doing anything important). Thus, the two aspects are linked.

that's a good summary, just add the 3rd option for those who want both.

[Dr. Doctor]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Wait a minute. Mr. Lawson is the Dragon? To whom? TIM?

Maybe this is more obvious to those who've read the leak. But that seems odd to me.

Shepard's story requires him to face Kai Leng in order to move on. Miranda's story progression is focused on her father, dealing with that would presumably allow her to go on to deal with her plot with Cerberus. I'm sort of going off of the idea that Miranda's plot fits into The Hero's Journey after all Liara's lines about the LI's in Lair of the Shadow Broker appear to be prophetic. If Shepard is going to be "Fighting for the future of humanity as evidenced by the perfect Miss Lawson"  I assume that she must deal with her issues in ME3 so that she can move on to that future.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Catharsis. Because we're angry and need to vent with the like-minded.

...for about 500 pages or so.

The leak hit around the 800s did it not?

[AgitatedLemon]

jreezy wrote...

You contradicted yourself, yeah I saw that.

No, I didn't.

But you did misunderstand what I said.

[CrutchCricket]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Shepard's story requires him to face Kai Leng in order to move on. Miranda's story progression is focused on her father, dealing with that would presumably allow her to go on to deal with her plot with Cerberus. I'm sort of going off of the idea that Miranda's plot fits into The Hero's Journey after all Liara's lines about the LI's in Lair of the Shadow Broker appear to be prophetic. If Shepard is going to be "Fighting for the future of humanity as evidenced by the perfect Miss Lawson"  I assume that she must deal with her issues in ME3 so that she can move on to that future.

I see what you're saying. The Dragon though is subordinate to the Big Bad. I don't think Lawson is subordinate to TIM (if I'm wrong, don't tell me) or her personal progression subordinate to her Cerberus arc. That's why I was getting confused.

[Td1984]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

@Melrache
I think without Tali you can't resolve the Quarian-Geth conflict.

Peacefully, I suppose. I was always pro-Geth anyway.

Well if by peacefully you mean one side aniquilating the other side

If that's the case, then pick the one which has a stronger military.

Goodbye quarians.

That's what I was thinking. I want to resolve it peacefully, but if I can't, go Geth. Admittedly I just want those Armatures and Colossi on my side for once. Though I'd miss Kal'Reegar.

[AgitatedLemon]

Td1984 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

@Melrache
I think without Tali you can't resolve the Quarian-Geth conflict.

Peacefully, I suppose. I was always pro-Geth anyway.

Well if by peacefully you mean one side aniquilating the other side

If that's the case, then pick the one which has a stronger military.

Goodbye quarians.

That's what I was thinking. I want to resolve it peacefully, but if I can't, go Geth. Admittedly I just want those Armatures and Colossi on my side for once. Though I'd miss Kal'Reegar.

Yeah, the only quarian I actively like, and he's a side character. Go figure.

That said, I wouldn't say no to a platoon of geth Hunters, Primes, Armatures, and Colossi.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 06:50 .

[CrutchCricket]

jreezy wrote...
No love for Daro'Xen?

Disliked Daro'Xen. Too arrogant. Qwib-Qwib on the other hand...

[Dr. Doctor]

@Lemon

Bioware gives me a Quarian voiced by Adam Baldwin and I get Tali. In the off chance that I don't have Tali in a playthrough can I get Kal'Reegar instead?

[Melra]

jreezy wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Yeah, the only quarian I actively like, and he's a side character. Go figure.

No love for Daro'Xen?

Overdose of Claudia Black... Can't... stand.. anymore.

Modifié par Melrache, 08 février 2012 - 06:56 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

@Lemon

Bioware gives me a Quarian voiced by Adam Baldwin and I get Tali. In the off chance that I don't have Tali in a playthrough can I get Kal'Reegar instead?

No. Nice things are forbidden.

Come to think of it, I'd much rather have Reegar on my squad. He's an actual soldier.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 07:06 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Cereal

[Td1984]

S.A.K wrote...

Question: Will you guys be happy if the Miranda content in the final isn't that different from the leak?

I wasn't around to read the leak myself (I was concidentally taking time off from the BSN forums at the time) so all I know about it is what I've heard from everyone else. So taking that into consideration, I will likely be livid, but my canon Shep is committed to her anyway due to my headcanon. So I won't be changing to a different LI, even though I have yet to actually start my actual canon run.

I do have a second MShep though, whom I'm planning to pair with Kelly. 

[AgitatedLemon]

Td1984 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Question: Will you guys be happy if the Miranda content in the final isn't that different from the leak?

I wasn't around to read the leak myself (I was concidentally taking time off from the BSN forums at the time) so all I know about it is what I've heard from everyone else. So taking that into consideration, I will likely be livid, but my canon Shep is committed to her anyway due to my headcanon. So I won't be changing to a different LI, even though I have yet to actually start my actual canon run.

I do have a second MShep though, whom I'm planning to pair with Kelly. 

Livid? You're going to be blue in the face from lack of oxygen or blood?

Why? It's that bad for you?

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 07:30 .

[Td1984]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Question: Will you guys be happy if the Miranda content in the final isn't that different from the leak?

I wasn't around to read the leak myself (I was concidentally taking time off from the BSN forums at the time) so all I know about it is what I've heard from everyone else. So taking that into consideration, I will likely be livid, but my canon Shep is committed to her anyway due to my headcanon. So I won't be changing to a different LI, even though I have yet to actually start my actual canon run.

I do have a second MShep though, whom I'm planning to pair with Kelly. 

Livid? You're going to be blue in the face from lack of oxygen or blood?

Why?

All this stuff I've heard about Miranda's role in ME3 makes it seem really awful. Basically all that wasted potential. I mean, they made her nigh impossible to kill off in ME2, and her role is apparently pathetic in ME3. Give me a break BW!

[AgitatedLemon]

Td1984 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Question: Will you guys be happy if the Miranda content in the final isn't that different from the leak?

I wasn't around to read the leak myself (I was concidentally taking time off from the BSN forums at the time) so all I know about it is what I've heard from everyone else. So taking that into consideration, I will likely be livid, but my canon Shep is committed to her anyway due to my headcanon. So I won't be changing to a different LI, even though I have yet to actually start my actual canon run.

I do have a second MShep though, whom I'm planning to pair with Kelly. 

Livid? You're going to be blue in the face from lack of oxygen or blood?

Why?

All this stuff I've heard about Miranda's role in ME3 makes it seem really awful. Basically all that wasted potential. I mean, they made her nigh impossible to kill off in ME2, and her role is apparently pathetic in ME3. Give me a break BW!

And yet Tali, who is one of the easiest to kill off, gets the full treatment.

[Ieldra]

Avy DiSartori wrote...

 Do you guys remember someone said that Mac Walters (actually not sure if it was him or another writer) posted on twitter that he was writing an important scene in which Miranda was present? And it was "a very challenging scene to write"(something like that).. I was wondering if he twitted this AFTER the script leaks or before. If it was after, it shows us that Miranda's part was indeed incomplete(ok, pretty obvious assumption ).   Also, since he was complaining about the difficulty  to write it, it could be something big.. at least bigger than what we have right now IMO..   just speculating though...

This was long before the leak. In August. But since there is no Miranda scene in the leak which could reasonably be called "very challenging", we have speculated it's the one very important scene with Miranda we absolutely know must be there - and isn't in the leak.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Wait a minute. Mr. Lawson is the Dragon? To whom? TIM?

Maybe this is more obvious to those who've read the leak. But that seems odd to me.

Shepard's story requires him to face Kai Leng in order to move on. Miranda's story progression is focused on her father, dealing with that would presumably allow her to go on to deal with her plot with Cerberus. I'm sort of going off of the idea that Miranda's plot fits into The Hero's Journey after all Liara's lines about the LI's in Lair of the Shadow Broker appear to be prophetic. If Shepard is going to be "Fighting for the future of humanity as evidenced by the perfect Miss Lawson"  I assume that she must deal with her issues in ME3 so that she can move on to that future.

I think we all hope so. As mentioned so often, it's not so easy to put hope in what isn't there, when so many other things are there.

BTW I disagree about Mr.Lawson fitting the role of The Dragon in Miranda's story. He's more of a Big Bad - not so much a physical challenge than an emotional and moral one. She both works for and represents a future of humanity - in this confrontation she pits her vision of that future against her father's. After she's dealt with him, she can move on to realize her own.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Avy DiSartori wrote...

 Do you guys remember someone said that Mac Walters (actually not sure if it was him or another writer) posted on twitter that he was writing an important scene in which Miranda was present? And it was "a very challenging scene to write"(something like that).. I was wondering if he twitted this AFTER the script leaks or before. If it was after, it shows us that Miranda's part was indeed incomplete(ok, pretty obvious assumption ).   Also, since he was complaining about the difficulty  to write it, it could be something big.. at least bigger than what we have right now IMO..   just speculating though...

This was long before the leak. In August. But since there is no Miranda scene in the leak which could reasonably be called "very challenging", we have speculated it's the one very important scene with Miranda we absolutely know must be there - and isn't in the leak.

Are you referring to a specific scene, or the general ending?