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[MisterJB]

naledgeborn wrote...
Also like some people suggested her warming up to Shepard could be a psychological thing and she's misplacing the maternal instincts she craves so towards what is ultimately her "creation".

I don't even want to consider what that would mean for the Romance. Implications unpleasant

Modifié par MisterJB, 03 juillet 2011 - 01:14 .

[jtav]

It's actually something I've been mulling over for a long time. I like the idea of Shepard as surrogate child. She can't have children, so she finds another way of creating life. And it's her job to know Shepard intimately. The romance would have to go, but I find the new dynamic more interesting.

[TomY90]

naledgeborn wrote...

Shepard is the first medical resurrection in recorded history. For all her might, as Samara would put it, I'm sure she didn't know what to exactly expect when Shepard came to in that med bay. After the success at Freedom's Progress I think she was thoroughly convinced that the person leading them was indeed Shepard, and that Project Lazarus was a success.

Also like some people suggested her warming up to Shepard could be a psychological thing and she's misplacing the maternal instincts she craves so towards what is ultimately her "creation".

That is a good point she does seem rather proud to have brought you back from the dead considering she does mention it a few times.

[naledgeborn]

MisterJB wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
Also like some people suggested her warming up to Shepard could be a psychological thing and she's misplacing the maternal instincts she craves so towards what is ultimately her "creation".

I don't even want to consider what that would mean for the Romance. Implications unpleasant

Indeed. Some seriously sick Oedipus sh!t going on in that picture. Thankfully, she is not Shepard's mother. And she's smoking hot among other things.

[Ieldra]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jtav wrote...

It was a PM, not a tweet.

Yep and it's no surprise either...I don't think there's another character as versatile as Miranda for Insanity...I take her everywhere.

This is what I did, too and will in ME3 (given her availability of course)

I would've taken her everywhere even if she wasn't so versatile. The only time she wasn't with me was Mordin's and Grunt's LM and the Quarian Crash Site assignment on my two Insanity runs.

I'll take where I can in ME3 too. And that better be several missions.

[ViSeiRa]

I guess we can credit her change of attitude to a "wait and see" approach, let's remember she lost more than half of her cell on the Lazarus station, and as she said before the only thing she can take credit for is her failures, now the project in general may have succeeded but she lost most of her cell in the process, when she found Shepard's performance on Freedom's Progress it helped allay some of her fears about whether it was worth it to lose so many people to resurrect one person... that's how I role play her sudden change of heart anyway.

[Ieldra]

demonic_cookie wrote...
She is to-the-point during the escape, in the end scene displays some really awesome deadpan humor... She's short with you before Freedom's Progress, and I loved her "We have a job to do, we can talk about it or we can do it." Yet after that at the Normandy she is instantly nicer and warmer to you. It can be that she's warmed up to you now that you've signed up with the mission, or maybe the Illusive Man said her to 'be nice', but I was frankly more intrigued by the pre-FP Miranda. Am I just choosing the wrong options? I'm just... at a loss >_> Why would she be this nice so quickly, and spill her life story, especially if you just let Vitor go with Tali? Doesn't compute for me, and seems OOC.

Nice to another one who appreciates the "early" Miranda, and yes, it's quite jarring how she changes. As for why, there may be several reasons for it:

(1) They needed her to talk about herself at some point, and there weren't enough conversations written to make the development believable because of resource constraints.
(2) There were two writers who wrote Miranda, and they had a somewhat different vision.
(3) The romance wouldn't have been believable if she hadn't warmed up a little before it starts (ties in to 1).

[goofyomnivore]

I would've taken her everywhere even if she wasn't so versatile. The
only time she wasn't with me was Mordin's and Grunt's LM and the
Quarian Crash Site assignment on my two Insanity runs.

I'll take where I can in ME3 too. And that better be several missions.

I like to mix it up with squad members and missions. The first set of recruitment missions she is always present on, but after that outside of her loyalty mission and Collector/Cerberus specific missions I don't usually bring her. She is still probably my most frequently used squad member though.

Thinking about gameplay made me realize; I almost never make her the Fire Team/Distraction Team leader. Not because I doubt her abilities, but because Garrus is the more neutral option. She comes to fight the Reaper always, simply because I find it most logical for her to be presenting "holo TIM".

Modifié par strive, 03 juillet 2011 - 06:49 .

[goofyomnivore]

After Freedom's Progress it seemed like Miranda and Jacob kind of traded personalities, in terms of their interaction/openness towards Shepard.

I loved the Freedom's Progress Miranda. Wish we would of got to see a bit more of it.

Modifié par strive, 03 juillet 2011 - 06:53 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
101: The first time she talks about her father. I usually have that conversation rigth before Horizon.

jtav wrote...
Yes I do. It's all rather rushed.

Keeping the Base could be a Moral Event Horizon, in which case she could have resigned because of this single suggestion from TIM and still make sense.
Not saying that it is, only that it's a possibility.

That keeping the base is NOT a moral event horizon is one reason why I always say she's OOC when she speaks against it. Really, if you don't know that TIM will embark on another Reaper-building project - and at that time it seems a mad prospect, no matter what happens later - this is just a case of strengthening a criminal organization for the sake of the bigger picture. It's happened in real history more often than not. A sound strategic decision. Maybe risky, and certainly a morally grey area, but even if you're stupid enough to discount the strategic aspect for the moral altogether, it won't put you "beyond redemption".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 juillet 2011 - 07:14 .

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...
Also like some people suggested her warming up to Shepard could be a psychological thing and she's misplacing the maternal instincts she craves so towards what is ultimately her "creation".

That would put the romance in an unpleasant light. For this, I don't need to rationalize it in in-world terms. I'd rather imagine they have a few talks in-between that we didn't get to see because of resource constraints.

strive wrote...
I loved the Freedom's Progress Miranda. Wish we would of got to see a bit more of it.

+1

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 juillet 2011 - 07:02 .

[Sebby]

Miranda was at her best pre-FP and I dug how my femshep and her butted heads right after the TIM conversation.

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[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
101: The first time she talks about her father. I usually have that conversation rigth before Horizon.

jtav wrote...
Yes I do. It's all rather rushed.

Keeping the Base could be a Moral Event Horizon, in which case she could have resigned because of this single suggestion from TIM and still make sense.
Not saying that it is, only that it's a possibility.

That keeping the base is NOT a moral event horizon is one reason why I always say she's OOC when she speaks against it. Really, if you don't know that TIM will embark on another Reaper-building project - and at that time it seems a mad prospect, no matter what happens later - this is just a case of strengthening a criminal organization for the sake of the bigger picture. It's happened in real history more often than not. A sound strategic decision. Maybe risky, and certainly a morally grey area, but even if you're stupid enough to discount the strategic aspect for the moral altogether, it won't put you "beyond redemption".

Not really, when Shepard accuses him of wanting to build his own reaper, TIM says that he never hid from Shepard that he'll do anything to advance humanity, that basically means "Yes, I'll try to build my own reaper" which he tried on a smaller scale with Grayson already... I'm not saying it's not out of character for Miranda to quit, because it is, but she'd have quit eventually, if we take Mordin as a moral compass then I'm sure if Miri was in his position she'd modify the genophage and release it on Tuchanka, thing is Mordin argues for keeping the base which is what Miranda SHOULD have said as well, but she's also not the kind of researcher that'd use sapient test subjects, point is, Miranda quitting is out of character at the time, it seemed rushed but it'd have happened eventually.

[The Elder King]

ViSeirA wrote...


Not really, when Shepard accuses him of wanting to build his own reaper, TIM says that he never hid from Shepard that he'll do anything to advance humanity, that basically means "Yes, I'll try to build my own reaper" which he tried on a smaller scale with Grayson already... I'm not saying it's not out of character for Miranda to quit, because it is, but she'd have quit eventually, if we take Mordin as a moral compass then I'm sure if Miri was in his position she'd modify the genophage and release it on Tuchanka, thing is Mordin argues for keeping the base which is what Miranda SHOULD have said as well, but she's also not the kind of researcher that'd use sapient test subjects, point is, Miranda quitting is out of character at the time, it seemed rushed but it'd have happened eventually.

I agree, it seemed rushed. If they have shown some doubts for Cerberus in Miranda's dialogue, it could have been better.

[Ieldra]

I just noticed there's a question in the OP we haven't talked about here: What will Miranda do between the events of "Arrival" and the trial? Apart from relocating Oriana...again.

[wright1978]

I guess it depends on how the trial comes about. If as arrival suggests Shepard for some reason feels compelled to hand himself over to the alliance for the trial then i would hope she & Jacob would get off the boat and act as his eyes and ears co-ordinating things in his absence & liaising with Liara on Shadowbroker intel.

[MisterJB]

If she resigned, sprend dissent amongst Cerberus ranks and her contacts in the Alliance and other Alien governments to let them know who amongst them is a traitor working for Cerberus (in the Alliance's case) and where some of Cerberus bases are located, similar to what Grayson did. Also, protect the Normandy crew from any backlash from the Alliance
Otherwise, make sure that the Reaper tec found on the Base will be handled safely, properly and effectively.

One way or another, use her contacts to make sure that the truth is heard on the trial and Hackett is not able to deny involvement and let Shepard pass off as a raving lunatic who's either paranoid about the Reapers or simply hates Batarians.

Modifié par MisterJB, 03 juillet 2011 - 03:36 .

[Td1984]

Melrache wrote...

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[Raizo]

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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 juillet 2011 - 06:49 .

[Ieldra]

Hmm.

I've been playing ME1. What do you all think? Should ME3's romance scenes be more like ME1's - meaning with a little more dialogue (in Miranda's case: dialogue in the first place) and a scene that's actually somewhat romantic, and with no dry-humping? Or would you prefer the way ME2 has done it?

ME1's romance scenes always make me smile. ME2's - not so much.

[Vertigo_1]

Agreed ME1's were better done...but there were also less LI's to work with too

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 03 juillet 2011 - 07:13 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I have Miri's Armor. I like it, she looks Bad-Ass in it.

But what do you guys think about her Armor?

Miri's is a Biotic.

Statistically speaking, biotics are agile, and flexible.

The Armor doesn't degrade her, right?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 juillet 2011 - 07:22 .

[jtav]

ME3 needs to take a lesson from ME1 in the romance department all around. Mostly by having the romances be longer than 6-7 minutes. I like the characters of ME2 better, but I would choose Ashley over Miranda as LI every single time.