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[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

I hope I look like a complete fool for being so pessimistic.

I think we all want that (Or at least, the pessimists)

[jtav]

But one does get the sense that someone on the dev team wanted her to die rather badly.

[Cuco9]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Cuco9 wrote...

So she actually does die no matter what you do?

No. You can prevent her death if you meet her in a certain spot and tell her something (Spoilers, I'll PM you what it is).

Hehe thanks .

Well they better give us an option to save our fav romance option otherwise a shepard on rampage is a really bad bad thing for anyone in his way. Im telling ya those reapers wouldnt stand one minute with the one who has nothing to loose, and after then those who caused him to loose what he had would be well...they would beg for the death at the hands of a reaper, but it would be too late ^^

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

But one does get the sense that someone on the dev team wanted her to die rather badly.

Maybe "Wanting her to die rather badly" is stretching it too far, but I do get the vibe that someone REALLY dislikes her.

Her LotSB dossier is what gives me that sense.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 février 2012 - 07:53 .

[jtav]

Not die in a horrible way, but that her death was the one that would make you want to rend the associated villain limb from limb. A Sacrificial Lion in TVTropes terms. Her survuval feels like an afterthought.

[KingMakaveli]

I think you guys would've accomplished what you wanted if you would've simply Twitter/Email spammed the devs. It's dumb but nowadays it's very effective.

But it's too late for changes to the game now..

Anyway, I imagine Mass Effect 3 is a much bigger game than Mass Effect 2 so could it be that Miranda's screentime in ME3, despite not being a squadmate, is comparable to her screentime in ME2?

[AgitatedLemon]

KingMakaveli wrote...

I think you guys would've accomplished what you wanted if you would've simply Twitter/Email spammed the devs. It's dumb but nowadays it's very effective.

But it's too late for changes to the game now..

Anyway, I imagine Mass Effect 3 is a much bigger game than Mass Effect 2 so could it be that Miranda's screentime in ME3, despite not being a squadmate, is comparable to her screentime in ME2?

They have already noted numerous times that ME3 will be around the same length as ME2, give or take a few hours.

As Miranda is a side character this time around, it's unlikely she'll receive more than Liara did in LotSB, which was not all that much.

You're probably right about the Twitter thing, though.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 février 2012 - 08:04 .

[CrutchCricket]

KingMakaveli wrote...

I think you guys would've accomplished what you wanted if you would've simply Twitter/Email spammed the devs. It's dumb but nowadays it's very effective.

But it's too late for changes to the game now..

Anyway, I imagine Mass Effect 3 is a much bigger game than Mass Effect 2 so could it be that Miranda's screentime in ME3, despite not being a squadmate, is comparable to her screentime in ME2?

A depressing thought, this. I've always had the feeling that this fanbase wasn't as outspoken to the devs as others. I don't include myself because I'm relatively new.

[kainee]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

But one does get the sense that someone on the dev team wanted her to die rather badly.

Maybe "Wanting her to die rather badly" is stretching it too far, but I do get the vibe that someone REALLY dislikes her.

Her LotSB dossier is what gives me that sense.

I'm almost certain that most of the Bioware devs and writers don't like the character. And I'm not surprised of her treatment in ME3.

[AgitatedLemon]

kainee wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

But one does get the sense that someone on the dev team wanted her to die rather badly.

Maybe "Wanting her to die rather badly" is stretching it too far, but I do get the vibe that someone REALLY dislikes her.

Her LotSB dossier is what gives me that sense.

I'm almost certain that most of the Bioware devs and writers don't like the character. And I'm not surprised of her treatment in ME3.

While I think it's silly to create a character that even the creators don't like, I see what you mean. Like I said before, I'm given the impression that 1 or a more of her writers don't like her, as given by the LotSB dossier.

@Crutch- It's sad how the most vocal, whiny "fans" are the ones that are listened to. Not just by Bioware, but in general. That's why I feel that games should advertise their forums more on the box, so more people know about them.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 février 2012 - 08:17 .

[CrutchCricket]

kainee wrote...
I'm almost certain that most of the Bioware devs and writers don't like the character. And I'm not surprised of her treatment in ME3.

I doubt it's a "dislike" because like it's been said, it doesn't make a lot of sense. But dumping on her to get a reaction? That I can't disprove.

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...
Here's a question I've been thinking a lot about. Do you think Miranda would reveal any/all her Cerberus knowledge if asked? By Alliance Command say, Anderson or Hackett? In exchange for "immunity"? or something along those lines? Or maybe even to Commander Shepard? Or do you think that would be something very difficult for her to do (betray Cerberus) since she's been with Cerberus for 20 years or so?

ALL her knowledge? Certainly not. Everything that might be useful against the Reapers, certainly. Also everything that might be useful to take Cerberus down, *maybe* that, too. But she'll keep some knowledge for herself, just in case she wants to start a new organization after the war.

[Prudii Aden]

Changing the subject a little bit - how amused should I be when looking up ME3 on imdb, that Miranda's VA (Yvonne Strahovski) and Kal Reegar's VA (Adam Baldwin) are the first people mentioned, just before Martin Sheen?

[Td1984]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@Jynthor

Everyone has an AR during that scene (And a couple others as well), no matter what their weapon proficiencies are. I've also seen Tali and Kasumi with one as well, despite them obviously not being trained for it.

I just now noticed (Never thought about it before), but after Miranda falls, and Shepard catches her, Miranda returns the favor after Shepard leaps toward the Normandy and almost misses it. Just thought I'd point that out.

Miranda is actually at the head of the list (whether romanced or not) of who is supposed to catch Shep as he jumps to the Normandy at the end of the SM. If she survives the SM, she'll be the one to catch him.

[kainee]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

While I think it's silly to create a character that even the creators don't like, I see what you mean. Like I said before, I'm given the impression that 1 or a more of her writers don't like her, as given by the LotSB dossier.

Unfortunately I don't think the creators and supporters of Miranda are still in charge of the character or are still in the Bioware team.
I felt this lack of support for Miranda just after ME2. It's like they decided to sacrifice this character ... don't know why. <_<

[AgitatedLemon]

kainee wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

While I think it's silly to create a character that even the creators don't like, I see what you mean. Like I said before, I'm given the impression that 1 or a more of her writers don't like her, as given by the LotSB dossier.

Unfortunately I don't think the creators and supporters of Miranda are still in charge of the character or are still in the Bioware team.
I felt this lack of support for Miranda just after ME2. It's like they decided to sacrifice this character ... don't know why. <_<

AFAIK, all the writers are still there. There's Mac, Drew, Patrick, etc.

I honestly felt the opposite you did. I felt (and still feel) that it's rather pointless to build up this character in such a major fashion as they did with Miranda, and just... *poof*, nothing. Is there a trope for that somewhere?

[AgitatedLemon]

Td1984 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@Jynthor

Everyone has an AR during that scene (And a couple others as well), no matter what their weapon proficiencies are. I've also seen Tali and Kasumi with one as well, despite them obviously not being trained for it.

I just now noticed (Never thought about it before), but after Miranda falls, and Shepard catches her, Miranda returns the favor after Shepard leaps toward the Normandy and almost misses it. Just thought I'd point that out.

Miranda is actually at the head of the list (whether romanced or not) of who is supposed to catch Shep as he jumps to the Normandy at the end of the SM. If she survives the SM, she'll be the one to catch him.

I know. I was just pointing out the (Somewhat) irony in Shepard saving her, and Miranda saving Shepard immediately after.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 février 2012 - 08:38 .

[The Elder King]

kainee wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

While I think it's silly to create a character that even the creators don't like, I see what you mean. Like I said before, I'm given the impression that 1 or a more of her writers don't like her, as given by the LotSB dossier.

Unfortunately I don't think the creators and supporters of Miranda are still in charge of the character or are still in the Bioware team.
I felt this lack of support for Miranda just after ME2. It's like they decided to sacrifice this character ... don't know why. <_<

Yes, Miranda's writer is a different one from ME2, though he's present in ME3 team (it's Patrick Weekes).

[AgitatedLemon]

hhh89 wrote...

kainee wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

While I think it's silly to create a character that even the creators don't like, I see what you mean. Like I said before, I'm given the impression that 1 or a more of her writers don't like her, as given by the LotSB dossier.

Unfortunately I don't think the creators and supporters of Miranda are still in charge of the character or are still in the Bioware team.
I felt this lack of support for Miranda just after ME2. It's like they decided to sacrifice this character ... don't know why. <_<

Yes, Miranda's writer is a different one from ME2, though he's present in ME3 team (it's Patrick Weekes).

Technically, Miranda was written by a number of people in ME2. I know Mac did her early-game stuff and some of the banter, and (I think) Patrick handled everything else (Romance, Loyalty, various conversations).

I know for a fact that there was at least 2 people writing her parts, and Mac was one of them. No idea about who's writing her bits in ME3.

[The Elder King]

AgitatedLemon wrote...



Technically, Miranda was written by a number of people in ME2. I know Mac did her early-game stuff and some of the banter, and (I think) Patrick handled everything else (Romance, Loyalty, various conversations).

I know for a fact that there was at least 2 people writing her parts, and Mac was one of them. No idea about who's writing her bits in ME3.

Thanks, I didn't know that Walters worked on her too.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

The LoTSB Dossier is blasphemy

[AgitatedLemon]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

The LoTSB Dossier is blasphemy

I like to pretend it doesn't exist.

Then I go and play LotSB, and I'm disappointed all over again.

[Jynthor]

Speaking of the LotSB dossier, what's the point of it? What does Miranda being sterile add to her character?

[Skullheart]

Jynthor wrote...

Speaking of the LotSB dossier, what's the point of it? What does Miranda being sterile add to her character?

because the guy who wrote the dossiers hates Miranda. Her dossier was made to dump her if romanced.

[CrutchCricket]

Jynthor wrote...

Speaking of the LotSB dossier, what's the point of it? What does Miranda being sterile add to her character?

To her character? Nothing. The message is "Genetic engineering and playing God is BAD, kids!" (as Ieldra wants to choke something:P)