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[shepard1038]

Jynthor wrote...

Either way, even if they give her the lamest cameo ever, I'll regret nothing.

Are you saying you will not regret romancing her?

[AgitatedLemon]

Skullheart wrote...

Jack is a character who evolved in ME3, Miranda is a character who doesn't deserve a change or an improvment (she is better in ME2 than in ME3).

I mean...*spoiler snip*

The Miranda in ME3 is a shame to who she was in ME2...

Miranda's position in ME3 is rather arguable, though I sympathize with the people who wanted her to retain her "ME2-esque" qualities (IE everyone, including myself). Apart from her work and Oriana, she *literally* has nothing else really about her. Since she no longer works for Cerberus, there's nothing else really to her other than her attachment to her family and loved ones. It isn't so much an evolution nor a devolution. It's a side-olution. She retains her already established qualities, they're just fleshing out that particular side. It does, at times, feel like an almost complete omission of her "workaholic" side, but I blame the writers for that, Not Miranda.

If I may be totally honest, I like the fact that they're going with the more emotional path in ME3, since we didn't really delve into it in ME2, outside the obligatory LM and romance. People who didn't romance her didn't get to experience the same thing as the people who did.

If I may honest again, I hate how they're handling Jack and Grunt in ME3. Both of their roles (from the little info I know) seem relatively... out of character, for lack of a better term. I jst can't see Jack going from "Crazy psycho murderer" to a mentor figure. Similar to Grunt. He's not a leader, yet he commands a squad of soldiers. He's *always* been the guy taking the orders, or the "Grunt". Legion makes sense though, since his dialogue has subtly hinted at the geth becoming more "humanlike" (Lack of a better term, again)

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 février 2012 - 12:48 .

[Jynthor]

shepard1038 wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

Either way, even if they give her the lamest cameo ever, I'll regret nothing.

Are you saying you will not regret romancing her?

Pretty much.

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

Or Maybe you all will get a big surprise.

Yeah.

She may turn out even worse than she already is. Thanks for making me feel terrible for typing that out.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Or Maybe you all will get a big surprise.

Yeah.

She may turn out even worse than she already is. Thanks for making me feel terrible for typing that out.

And thanks for depressing Me

[AgitatedLemon]

Jynthor wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

Either way, even if they give her the lamest cameo ever, I'll regret nothing.

Are you saying you will not regret romancing her?

Pretty much.

Why would you?

I certainly wouldn't.

[Jynthor]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

Either way, even if they give her the lamest cameo ever, I'll regret nothing.

Are you saying you will not regret romancing her?

Pretty much.

Why would you?

I certainly wouldn't.

Some people might choose one of the ME1 LI's if they found out their LI has a very small role in ME3, but like I said, I wouldn't regret anything. Miranda was worth it.

[shepard1038]

Jynthor wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

Either way, even if they give her the lamest cameo ever, I'll regret nothing.

Are you saying you will not regret romancing her?

Pretty much.

Why would you?

I certainly wouldn't.

Some people might choose one of the ME1 LI's if they found out their LI has a very small role in ME3, but like I said, I wouldn't regret anything. Miranda was worth it.

And for that you get a Medal of Achievement

Modifié par shepard1038, 10 février 2012 - 12:54 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Jynthor wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

Either way, even if they give her the lamest cameo ever, I'll regret nothing.

Are you saying you will not regret romancing her?

Pretty much.

Why would you?

I certainly wouldn't.

Some people might choose one of the ME1 LI's if they found out their LI has a very small role in ME3, but like I said, I wouldn't regret anything. Miranda was worth it.

Yup. Sticking with her all the way through.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Jack is a character who evolved in ME3, Miranda is a character who doesn't deserve a change or an improvment (she is better in ME2 than in ME3).

I mean...*spoiler snip*

The Miranda in ME3 is a shame to who she was in ME2...

Miranda's position in ME3 is rather arguable, though I sympathize with the people who wanted her to retain her "ME2-esque" qualities (IE everyone, including myself). Apart from her work and Oriana, she *literally* has nothing else really about her. Since she no longer works for Cerberus, there's nothing else really to her other than her attachment to her family and loved ones. It isn't so much an evolution nor a devolution. It's a side-olution. She retains her already established qualities, they're just fleshing out that particular side. It does, at times, feel like an almost complete omission of her "workaholic" side, but I blame the writers for that, Not Miranda.

If I may be totally honest, I like the fact that they're going with the more emotional path in ME3, since we didn't really delve into it in ME2, outside the obligatory LM and romance. People who didn't romance her didn't get to experience the same thing as the people who did.

If I may honest again, I hate how they're handling Jack and Grunt in ME3. Both of their roles (from the little info I know) seem relatively... out of character, for lack of a better term. I jst can't see Jack going from "Crazy psycho murderer" to a mentor figure. Similar to Grunt. He's not a leader, yet he commands a squad of soldiers. He's *always* been the guy taking the orders, or the "Grunt". Legion makes sense though, since his dialogue has subtly hinted at the geth becoming more "humanlike" (Lack of a better term, again)

Well, that's a decent way of looking at what they did to her.

Thank you. Grunt doesn't care enough to lead others and care about their success like a leader does. Grunt is an old fashioned barbarian slaughterer who's happy locked in a room with 20 killers with nothing but a knife. Don't get me started on what they did to Jack, it's a massacre of character progression.

[jtav]

shepard1038 wrote...

Well at least the romance is Great.

Who cares, if the character is pathetic? There has to be something worth romancing.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

Well, that's a decent way of looking at what they did to her.

Thank you. Grunt doesn't care enough to lead others and care about their success like a leader does. Grunt is an old fashioned barbarian slaughterer who's happy locked in a room with 20 killers with nothing but a knife. Don't get me started on what they did to Jack, it's a massacre of character progression.

@bold- Are you talking about Miranda or Jack? And was that an honest complement, or were you implying something?

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

Well, that's a decent way of looking at what they did to her.

Thank you. Grunt doesn't care enough to lead others and care about their success like a leader does. Grunt is an old fashioned barbarian slaughterer who's happy locked in a room with 20 killers with nothing but a knife. Don't get me started on what they did to Jack, it's a massacre of character progression.

@bold- Are you talking about Miranda or Jack? And was that an honest complement, or were you implying something?

That was about Miranda.

I was being sincere. Grunt shouldn't be in charge of anyone and Jack wouldn't be spending her time with kids

[MisterJB]

After his LM, Grunt clearly states that he likes having a clan, that he is proud to be part of Clan Urdnot. Add to that the fact that he served under Shepard, one of the greatest leaders of his generation (many characters state this), and his character development makes sense.

[jtav]

I'm happy with everyone except Jacob and Miranda.

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

After his LM, Grunt clearly states that he likes having a clan, that he is proud to be part of Clan Urdnot. Add to that the fact that he served under Shepard, one of the greatest leaders of his generation (many characters state this), and his character development makes sense.

His own dialogue that he himself says implies that he isn't leader matierial. So does his "meet the team" video.

He has a LOT of lines that equate to "You point, I shoot"

Actually, I think some of his combat banter when you order him to attack someone actually IS "You point, I shoot".

Plus a good amount of his post-LM dialogue involves variations of sucking up to Shepard and bragging about how much of a badass Shepard is.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 février 2012 - 01:08 .

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

After his LM, Grunt clearly states that he likes having a clan, that he is proud to be part of Clan Urdnot. Add to that the fact that he served under Shepard, one of the greatest leaders of his generation (many characters state this), and his character development makes sense.

His own dialogue that he himself says implies that he isn't leader matierial. So does his "meet the team" video.

He has a LOT of lines that equate to "You point, I shoot"

One thing I love about Grunt is that he's an unapolegetic killer. All he wants to do is kill things. The only reason he respects Shepard is because he kills and commands others to kill in such large numbers. Is what Grunt aspires to be, the perfect killer. I think he would've been better left with Shepard.

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

After his LM, Grunt clearly states that he likes having a clan, that he is proud to be part of Clan Urdnot. Add to that the fact that he served under Shepard, one of the greatest leaders of his generation (many characters state this), and his character development makes sense.

His own dialogue that he himself says implies that he isn't leader matierial. So does his "meet the team" video.

He has a LOT of lines that equate to "You point, I shoot"

It is believable character development. He was a savage that cared for nothing except fighting, who felt no reason to hate the turians for what they did to the krogan.
After being accepted into clan Urdnot, he gains a purpose, a "reason to fight". And he could have learned how to be a leader from Shepard.
If Grunt suddenly became pacifist, then it would be character assassination. 

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

After his LM, Grunt clearly states that he likes having a clan, that he is proud to be part of Clan Urdnot. Add to that the fact that he served under Shepard, one of the greatest leaders of his generation (many characters state this), and his character development makes sense.

His own dialogue that he himself says implies that he isn't leader material. So does his "meet the team" video.

He has a LOT of lines that equate to "You point, I shoot"

It is believable character development. He was a savage that cared for nothing except fighting, who felt no reason to hate the turians for what they did to the krogan.
After being accepted into clan Urdnot, he gains a purpose, a "reason to fight". And he could have learned how to be a leader from Shepard.
If Grunt suddenly became pacifist, then it would be character assassination. 

*Was going to edit this into my last post, but it's probably more fitting here*

There's also Grunt's naivete and mental state to cope with. He's 6 months old, he's not a tactician. He doesn't really have the experience or the knowledge to lead a squad of commandos.

Hell, his own name says he's the follower, and not the leader.

If he were... like, say for example... a Sergeant underneath Shepard's Lieutenant, then it would make sense, but if he's heading a squad of commandos then no, I don't believe he should be in that position.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 février 2012 - 01:13 .

[jtav]

And, well, I have a feeling that krogan tradition dictates that those who were the best at killing things get command positions. As for Jack, I'm delighted with her development. It's just Miranda that's frustrating. Why can't she be working primarily to bring Cerberus down because they betrayed her and what she stands for? Throw in a heap of guilt and wondering how complicit she is in the evil they became.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

And, well, I have a feeling that krogan tradition dictates that those who were the best at killing things get command positions.

Probably. Wrex seems to be an exception, since he's quite smart, other than strong and good at killing.

Modifié par hhh89, 10 février 2012 - 01:16 .

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

And, well, I have a feeling that krogan tradition dictates that those who were the best at killing things get command positions. As for Jack, I'm delighted with her development. It's just Miranda that's frustrating. Why can't she be working primarily to bring Cerberus down because they betrayed her and what she stands for? Throw in a heap of guilt and wondering how complicit she is in the evil they became.

@bold- They didn't do this? Even an un-paid amateur author who's just starting out would think to add something so incredibly obvious.

[android654]

hhh89 wrote...

jtav wrote...

And, well, I have a feeling that krogan tradition dictates that those who were the best at killing things get command positions.

Probably. Wrex seems to be an exception, since he's quite smart, other than strong and good at killing.

Wrex proved himself at being adept at killing with Brute force. The kind of Insight Wrex has is due to life experience. He isn't book smart like Mordin or Miranda, but life and street smart from the life he's lived, not unlike Thane and not that different of a skill set.

[jtav]

Why do you think I'm livid and alternately threatening to kill Oriana or discarding Miranda in favor of her? Miranda doesn't spend any time really thinking or talking about Cerberus. Oriana is consuming all of her attention. Kelly gets more along those lines. Miranda's connection to Cerberus feels incidental.

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
There's also Grunt's naivete and mental state to cope with. He's 6 months old, he's not a tactician. He doesn't really have the experience or the knowledge to lead a squad of commandos.

If he were... like, say for example... a Sergeant underneath Shepard's Lieutenant, then it would make sense, but if he's heading a squad of commandos then no, I don't believe he should be in that position.

First of all, how many tactics do Krogan soldiers employ anyway?

Second, Grunt doesn't have much experience leading, true. But do not forget that he was taught in the tank strategies from the greatest Krogan Warlords.

Hell, his own name says he's the follower, and not the leader.

A name that he gave himself before he was accepted into the clan.