82210 réponses à ce sujet

[Shotokanguy]

I've never really thought about it but...I rather would have liked it if Miranda had remained blunt, frosty, and business-like for a while longer.

It would've been perfectly fine for her more relaxed attitude to show after recruiting a squad mate or two.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

ME3 needs to take a lesson from ME1 in the romance department all around. Mostly by having the romances be longer than 6-7 minutes. I like the characters of ME2 better, but I would choose Ashley over Miranda as LI every single time.

This is what worries me for ME3...between the LI's in ME1 and ME2 plus potential new LI's in ME3, I worry they will make them shorter...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 03 juillet 2011 - 07:40 .

[Repearized Miranda]

^ And maybe much tamer then before; however, I do not get why players can't just imagine what's going on either. Is it the "spoon-fed" mentality? (I shain't go there)

[Ieldra]

Shotokanguy wrote...
I've never really thought about it but...I rather would have liked it if Miranda had remained blunt, frosty, and business-like for a while longer.

They have the chance to show her detached and business-like side again in ME3. What I'm hoping for is that they have more freedom to do different things with her, now that the warming-up is out of the way and the writing is no longer constrained by the necessity of cramming a romance into too few conversations.

[Td1984]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmm.

I've been playing ME1. What do you all think? Should ME3's romance scenes be more like ME1's - meaning with a little more dialogue (in Miranda's case: dialogue in the first place) and a scene that's actually somewhat romantic, and with no dry-humping? Or would you prefer the way ME2 has done it?

ME1's romance scenes always make me smile. ME2's - not so much.

I'll admit I liked the ME1 scenes better. 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I played ME2 first, so I LOVE the Romance scene with Miri.<3<3<3<3

I hope to see a longer one in ME3.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:13 .

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jtav wrote...

ME3 needs to take a lesson from ME1 in the romance department all around. Mostly by having the romances be longer than 6-7 minutes. I like the characters of ME2 better, but I would choose Ashley over Miranda as LI every single time.

This is what worries me for ME3...between the LI's in ME1 and ME2 plus potential new LI's in ME3, I worry they will make them shorter...

Not that I want that, but for old LIs the romance content can be shorter without damaging the romance because the relationship doesn't need to be established any more. I'd rather they focus on Miranda's story and enrich it with a little romance content here and there instead of creating much romance-exclusive content. Except for the "final" romance scene of course.  

[Macrious]

I want her in ME3, she said she resigned from Cerberus if she was with you when you took down the Reaper. I was thinking at the end of the game possible marriage scene, however I would like to bring up after lair of the shadow broker files state Miranda was a unique condition to be unable to have a child. I want her back as a GF but also to handle the situation between Ashley and Miranda, well that's how it was in my playthrough.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Shotokanguy wrote...

I've never really thought about it but...I rather would have liked it if Miranda had remained blunt, frosty, and business-like for a while longer.

It would've been perfectly fine for her more relaxed attitude to show after recruiting a squad mate or two.

She did change her mind about Shep pretty quickly. She went from "I'm not here to be your friend" to "hey Sheppy, lets do each others hair and talk about boys" (okay fine it wasn't that sort of friendship) after one mission. Maybe if she'd spent too long being frosty she'd scare too many people off, I respected Miranda for not being a Shep fangirl from the start but my sister didn't like it.

[goofyomnivore]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
This is what worries me for ME3...between the LI's in ME1 and ME2 plus potential new LI's in ME3, I worry they will make them shorter...

I hope the romances don't suffer because of the amount of them. It would make me hate certain fanservices even more.

[Ieldra]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...
 Maybe if she'd spent too long being frosty she'd scare too many people off, I respected Miranda for not being a Shep fangirl from the start but my sister didn't like it.

I believe that's the reason. They wanted Miranda to be reasonably popular, and they actually test these things and rewrite stuff if the reaction is too far from what they want. I think it's possible most of the things many of us find odd about how she was written are a result of such things.

And yes, that's what attracted me to her, too. Miranda doesn't fall down at Shepard's feet, tells him her whole life story etc. at the first meeting, but actually rebuffs him when he - inappropriately - wants to get personal. When I heard it first, it was almost a shock because it was so unexpected, but then I thought - well yeah, I *have* been a little intrusive here. It always makes me smile. To think some people hate her for it...
   

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:56 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I believe that's the reason. They wanted Miranda to be reasonably popular, and they actually test these things and rewrite stuff if the reaction is too far from what they want. I think it's possible most of the things many of us find odd about how she was written are a result of such things.

And yes, that's what attracted me to her, too. Miranda doesn't fall down at Shepard's feet, tells him her whole life story etc. at the first meeting, but actually rebuffs him when he - inappropriately - wants to get personal. When I heard it first, it was almost a shock because it was so unexpected, but then I thought - well yeah, I *have* been a little intrusive here. It always makes me smile. To think some people hate her for it...
   

It was a strange moment, Shepard is used to butting into any strangers' conversations and seeing if she can solve their personal problems, probably makes Miranda the only normal person in the galaxy.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

strive wrote...

I hope the romances don't suffer because of the amount of them. It would make me hate certain fanservices even more.

You could make a very good case they already have. Even when you compare ME2 (Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, Thane, Jack, Jacob, Miranda) to something like ME1, DA:O, Witcher/Witcher 2, or (in a different genre) Sands of Time, it's pretty clear they're spreading themselves too thin.

[Repearized Miranda]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

strive wrote...

I hope the romances don't suffer because of the amount of them. It would make me hate certain fanservices even more.

You could make a very good case they already have. Even when you compare ME2 (Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, Thane, Jack, Jacob, Miranda) to something like ME1, DA:O, Witcher/Witcher 2, or (in a different genre) Sands of Time, it's pretty clear they're spreading themselves too thin.

ME1's controversy probably had alot to do with it, but again, the FTB isn't bad either. Players don't want to use their imagination.

Of course, one would be teased "for having a dirty mind," but I'd rather that then ME3 become a "dirty" game despite how clean such scenes are.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

strive wrote...

I hope the romances don't suffer because of the amount of them. It would make me hate certain fanservices even more.

You could make a very good case they already have. Even when you compare ME2 (Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, Thane, Jack, Jacob, Miranda) to something like ME1, DA:O, Witcher/Witcher 2, or (in a different genre) Sands of Time, it's pretty clear they're spreading themselves too thin.

ME1's controversy probably had alot to do with it, but again, the FTB isn't bad either. Players don't want to use their imagination.

Of course, one would be teased "for having a dirty mind," but I'd rather that then ME3 become a "dirty" game despite how clean such scenes are.

I'm not talking about the sex scenes - I'm talking about how well-integrated the romance as a whole is into the story, and how well it works re: the characters involved. The sex scenes don't really matter to me as much as how well-implemented the relationship is.

Modifié par DaveExclamationMarkYognaut, 03 juillet 2011 - 10:25 .

[Repearized Miranda]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

strive wrote...

I hope the romances don't suffer because of the amount of them. It would make me hate certain fanservices even more.

You could make a very good case they already have. Even when you compare ME2 (Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, Thane, Jack, Jacob, Miranda) to something like ME1, DA:O, Witcher/Witcher 2, or (in a different genre) Sands of Time, it's pretty clear they're spreading themselves too thin.

ME1's controversy probably had alot to do with it, but again, the FTB isn't bad either. Players don't want to use their imagination.

Of course, one would be teased "for having a dirty mind," but I'd rather that then ME3 become a "dirty" game despite how clean such scenes are.

I'm not talking about the sex scenes - I'm talking about how well-integrated the romance as a whole is into the story, and how well it works re: the characters involved. The sex scenes don't really matter to me as much as how well-implemented the relationship is.

It that case, I don't really know. I mean, I didn't expect every character to tell his or her life's story because if I know everything, then what'd be the point of romance.\\? However, there is next to nil in terms of romance. My dinner with Kelly (though not shown) was more "romantic" then just hearing the LI's life-story (not that it bored me). I know sex and romance are different things, but with the very little they've done in the sex dept., they seem to have done in the romance dept. as well. It's easier to dump (or get dumped by) somebody then carry on a relationship with them. So, yeah, I'm not a dirty-minded person, but the romance area had nothing in it for me which means Miranda OR Ashley better try her damndest to keep my (Shepard's) interest. 

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

It that case, I don't really know. I mean, I didn't expect every character to tell his or her life's story because if I know everything, then what'd be the point of romance.? However, there is next to nil in terms of romance. My dinner with Kelly (though not shown) was more "romantic" then just hearing the LI's life-story (not that it bored me). I know sex and romance are different things, but with the very little they've done in the sex dept., they seem to have done in the romance dept. as well. It's easier to dump (or get dumped by) somebody then carry on a relationship with them. So, yeah, I'm not a dirty-minded person, but the romance area had nothing in it for me which means Miranda OR Ashley better try her damndest to keep my (Shepard's) interest. 

Truth. Romance in ME2 = 1 more dialogue tree, sadly. That's why I'm worried that if they include all the romances in ME3 that it looks like they're going to, they won't have enough time to flesh them out from a storytelling perspective.

[The C Trayne]

i dont feel like she is a character that can have so much development in ME2 then be reduced to something small and unimportant in the third. I would hate it and I bet many fans would hate it as well

I really want to see her as a permanent squad character in the third, having all 4 possible love interests in one squad would certainly be interesting as well.

she needs to have a major role all together imo, shes a powerful character and one who complements shepard very well. she really needs to be brought back in force

**edit** i'm also to see what happens to her if you took her with you to fight the reaper at the end of ME2 and decided to blow up the station when she says "consider this my resignation" seeing where she goes from there will be a treat indeed. especially since it was cerberus keeping her sister safe so who knows we may be seeing more of a family issue again!!!

Modifié par The C Trayne, 04 juillet 2011 - 01:09 .

[Repearized Miranda]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

It that case, I don't really know. I mean, I didn't expect every character to tell his or her life's story because if I know everything, then what'd be the point of romance.? However, there is next to nil in terms of romance. My dinner with Kelly (though not shown) was more "romantic" then just hearing the LI's life-story (not that it bored me). I know sex and romance are different things, but with the very little they've done in the sex dept., they seem to have done in the romance dept. as well. It's easier to dump (or get dumped by) somebody then carry on a relationship with them. So, yeah, I'm not a dirty-minded person, but the romance area had nothing in it for me which means Miranda OR Ashley better try her damndest to keep my (Shepard's) interest. 

Truth. Romance in ME2 = 1 more dialogue tree, sadly. That's why I'm worried that if they include all the romances in ME3 that it looks like they're going to, they won't have enough time to flesh them out from a storytelling perspective.

True, and this isn't a slight on them, but they seem to have emphasized the fact that if you "cheated," like they want a b*tchfight between Miranda/Ashley in my case for example. I'm sure that's not what they are intending to mean, but most wanna see those two scrap - not like they won't anyway given each person's loyalty. However, the LI thing just intensifies it. 

But yeah, I'm worried about how this will turn out. hopefully, it'll be for the better.

[jtav]

I begin to believe that the ME2 romances are mostly there to create the love triangle.

[Vertigo_1]

Maybe, but remember they were pushing ME2 to be 'a great entry point into the ME series'. The goal was a wider audience, therefore more romance options.

The way Casey talks about the 'cheating' consequences they had that in mind when they put the romances in ME2.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

[post deleted]

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 04 juillet 2011 - 03:10 .

[Repearized Miranda]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Maybe, but remember they were pushing ME2 to be 'a great entry point into the ME series'. The goal was a wider audience, therefore more romance options.

The way Casey talks about the 'cheating' consequences they had that in mind when they put the romances in ME2.

And yet, there weren't any consequences whatsoever - except a disappearing picture. Then, again, Liara (in mycase) was never the "I'ma hurt you, b*tch!" type. *shrugs* However, the rest of the ladies are!

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 04 juillet 2011 - 02:33 .

[Vertigo_1]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Maybe, but remember they were pushing ME2 to be 'a great entry point into the ME series'. The goal was a wider audience, therefore more romance options.

The way Casey talks about the 'cheating' consequences they had that in mind when they put the romances in ME2.

And yet, there weren't any consequences whatsoever - except a disappearng picture. Then, again, Liara )in mycase) was never the "I'ma hurt you, b*tch!" type. *shrugs* However, the rest of the ladies are!

The consequences are in reference to what will happen in ME3

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 04 juillet 2011 - 02:33 .

[Repearized Miranda]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Maybe, but remember they were pushing ME2 to be 'a great entry point into the ME series'. The goal was a wider audience, therefore more romance options.

The way Casey talks about the 'cheating' consequences they had that in mind when they put the romances in ME2.

And yet, there weren't any consequences whatsoever - except a disappearng picture. Then, again, Liara )in mycase) was never the "I'ma hurt you, b*tch!" type. *shrugs* However, the rest of the ladies are!

The consequences are in reference to what will happen in ME3

I know, but the fact that they threw the ME2 ones in there ...

It's like:

"Well, my lover's miles away, but we're still together, but I'm gonna screw you anyway. What she doesn't know won't hurt her." "Two years" pass and your old flame comes back. "Oh, I thought we broke up!" Both ladies want to beat your ass for lying to both of them. What I am saying is, while what they're after isn't necessarily bad, but I'd rather have Liara chew me out for getting chummy with Miranda and her blasting me for bumping Ashley. IOW, no such gap!

Having said this, I'm only bumping Miranda though Ashley is tempting, but I know what would make me resist that temptation! Care to guess?