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[MisterJB]

android654 wrote...

That's my point. Being cold is an emotional response. Miranda's actions are analytical.

And how is Miranda shooting Niket because he was the only one who knew Oriana's location any different from Sarah shooting the Fulcrum agent because he is the only one who knows Chuck is the Intersect?

[AgitatedLemon]

Jynthor wrote...

To be honest, Shepard has no future, especially not with a family.
Remember Jon Grissom? Multiply that by 100 and you have what the legendary Shepard will be after stopping the reapers. Almost makes me wish for an awesome ending in which Shepard dies at the end.

So you're saying Shepard is going to be a war hero and die young? Why (The war hero bit is obvious)? Especially considering that each Shepard is different, and not everyone will envision something similar to what you propose.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 12 février 2012 - 01:27 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ I remember that Episode. I believe it was the Christmas Episode in Season 2. Chuck saw Sarah kill the Fulcrum Agent.

[android654]

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...

That's my point. Being cold is an emotional response. Miranda's actions are analytical.

And how is Miranda shooting Niket because he was the only one who knew Oriana's location any different from Sarah shooting the Fulcrum agent because he is the only one who knows Chuck is the Intersect?

Sarah wasn't going to kill him until he threatened Chuck. Niket was appolegetic and even promised to say nothing. Sarah has an emotional response, Miranda has a calculated response.

[Jynthor]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

To be honest, Shepard has no future, especially not with a family.
Remember Jon Grissom? Multiply that by 100 and you have what the legendary Shepard will be after stopping the reapers. Almost makes me wish for an awesome ending in which Shepard dies at the end.

So you're saying Shepard is going to be a war hero and die young? Why? Especially considering that each Shepard is different.

No I'm saying if Shepard survives he would be a legendary war hero and the media would NEVER leave him alone.
Might be best to give him a heroic death.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...

That's my point. Being cold is an emotional response. Miranda's actions are analytical.

And how is Miranda shooting Niket because he was the only one who knew Oriana's location any different from Sarah shooting the Fulcrum agent because he is the only one who knows Chuck is the Intersect?

Sarah wasn't going to kill him until he threatened Chuck. Niket was appolegetic and even promised to say nothing. Sarah has an emotional response, Miranda has a calculated response.

Niket promises to change his tune AFTER the interrupt. Before that, he just says "Miranda's father knows nothing".

[AgitatedLemon]

Jynthor wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

To be honest, Shepard has no future, especially not with a family.
Remember Jon Grissom? Multiply that by 100 and you have what the legendary Shepard will be after stopping the reapers. Almost makes me wish for an awesome ending in which Shepard dies at the end.

So you're saying Shepard is going to be a war hero and die young? Why? Especially considering that each Shepard is different.

No I'm saying if Shepard survives he would be a legendary war hero and the media would NEVER leave him alone.
Might be best to give him a heroic death.

He could just do what Mordin did on Omega -- kill the intruders and leave the corpses as warnings. Or he could just fake his own death. Or do something not completely ridiculous, like tell the paparazzi to ****** off.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...

That's my point. Being cold is an emotional response. Miranda's actions are analytical.

And how is Miranda shooting Niket because he was the only one who knew Oriana's location any different from Sarah shooting the Fulcrum agent because he is the only one who knows Chuck is the Intersect?

Sarah wasn't going to kill him until he threatened Chuck. Niket was appolegetic and even promised to say nothing. Sarah has an emotional response, Miranda has a calculated response.

Niket promises to change his tune AFTER the interrupt. Before that, he just says "Miranda's father knows nothing".

Sarah gave the agent a moment to state why he should be spared, Miranda wasn't even going to allow Niket that much. Miranda lacks emotion, a cold person has a lot of emotion.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...

That's my point. Being cold is an emotional response. Miranda's actions are analytical.

And how is Miranda shooting Niket because he was the only one who knew Oriana's location any different from Sarah shooting the Fulcrum agent because he is the only one who knows Chuck is the Intersect?

Sarah wasn't going to kill him until he threatened Chuck. Niket was appolegetic and even promised to say nothing. Sarah has an emotional response, Miranda has a calculated response.

Niket promises to change his tune AFTER the interrupt. Before that, he just says "Miranda's father knows nothing".

Sarah gave the agent a moment to state why he should be spared, Miranda wasn't even going to allow Niket that much. Miranda lacks emotion, a cold person has a lot of emotion.

Did you even play ME2? Miranda doesn't lack emotion *at all*. Honestly, I understand why Miranda wanted to kill Niket. I wouldn't want him potentially stabbing me in the back a second time either. She didn't need for him to explain himself, because she knew that, no matter what he said, he could still betray her again.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 12 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[Jynthor]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

To be honest, Shepard has no future, especially not with a family.
Remember Jon Grissom? Multiply that by 100 and you have what the legendary Shepard will be after stopping the reapers. Almost makes me wish for an awesome ending in which Shepard dies at the end.

So you're saying Shepard is going to be a war hero and die young? Why? Especially considering that each Shepard is different.

No I'm saying if Shepard survives he would be a legendary war hero and the media would NEVER leave him alone.
Might be best to give him a heroic death.

He could just do what Mordin did on Omega -- kill the intruders and leave the corpses as warnings. Or he could just fake his own death. Or do something not completely ridiculous, like tell the paparazzi to ****** off.

Why fake it? Just kill yourself, get Lazarus'd, get a different face, done! Shepard lives happily ever after.

[AgitatedLemon]

Jynthor wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

To be honest, Shepard has no future, especially not with a family.
Remember Jon Grissom? Multiply that by 100 and you have what the legendary Shepard will be after stopping the reapers. Almost makes me wish for an awesome ending in which Shepard dies at the end.

So you're saying Shepard is going to be a war hero and die young? Why? Especially considering that each Shepard is different.

No I'm saying if Shepard survives he would be a legendary war hero and the media would NEVER leave him alone.
Might be best to give him a heroic death.

He could just do what Mordin did on Omega -- kill the intruders and leave the corpses as warnings. Or he could just fake his own death. Or do something not completely ridiculous, like tell the paparazzi to ****** off.

Why fake it? Just kill yourself, get Lazarus'd, get a different face, done! Shepard lives happily ever after.

... Because faking your death is probably cheaper than the 4 billion credit Lazarus.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

To be honest, Shepard has no future, especially not with a family.
Remember Jon Grissom? Multiply that by 100 and you have what the legendary Shepard will be after stopping the reapers. Almost makes me wish for an awesome ending in which Shepard dies at the end.

So you're saying Shepard is going to be a war hero and die young? Why? Especially considering that each Shepard is different.

No I'm saying if Shepard survives he would be a legendary war hero and the media would NEVER leave him alone.
Might be best to give him a heroic death.

He could just do what Mordin did on Omega -- kill the intruders and leave the corpses as warnings. Or he could just fake his own death. Or do something not completely ridiculous, like tell the paparazzi to ****** off.

Why fake it? Just kill yourself, get Lazarus'd, get a different face, done! Shepard lives happily ever after.

... Because faking your death is probably cheaper than the 4 billion credit Lazarus.

I just imagine Shepard acting like a celebrity after the war
Imagine A reporter interviewing Shepard how did you manage to kill the reapers and Shepard says the who?

Modifié par shepard1038, 12 février 2012 - 01:42 .

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...

That's my point. Being cold is an emotional response. Miranda's actions are analytical.

And how is Miranda shooting Niket because he was the only one who knew Oriana's location any different from Sarah shooting the Fulcrum agent because he is the only one who knows Chuck is the Intersect?

Sarah wasn't going to kill him until he threatened Chuck. Niket was appolegetic and even promised to say nothing. Sarah has an emotional response, Miranda has a calculated response.

Niket promises to change his tune AFTER the interrupt. Before that, he just says "Miranda's father knows nothing".

Sarah gave the agent a moment to state why he should be spared, Miranda wasn't even going to allow Niket that much. Miranda lacks emotion, a cold person has a lot of emotion.

Did you even play ME2? Miranda doesn't lack emotion *at all*. Honestly, I understand why Miranda wanted to kill Niket. I wouldn't want him potentially stabbing me in the back a second time either.

She does, with the exception of two moments of concern and her dialogue in her LM she's almost pure reason and gives emotion or personality little thought. This is the problem of comparing the two, Sarah's a more complete character and has the benefit of a story that covers her past, present, and personal sides. With Miranda we only get the present story and second or third hand information on situations in the past.

[MisterJB]

android654 wrote...
Sarah wasn't going to kill him until he threatened Chuck. Niket was appolegetic and even promised to say nothing. Sarah has an emotional response, Miranda has a calculated response.

Both are calculated responses.
Sarah did not kill him simply because he made some empty threat like "Once I get out, I'll kill your boyfriend.". Chuck's life is threatened almost every day but Sarah does not kill every villain in the show.
Sarah killed him because he knew that Chuck was the Intersect and she knew (after the beating she gave the villain) Fulcrum would never stop until they rescued that particular agent who would then let the leaders of Fulcrum know the truth about Chuck.
Thus, by killing this agent, she is eliminating a potential threat to Chuck.

This is not different from Miranda killing Niket to eliminate a potential threat to Oriana. Niket only promised to say nothing after Shepard stopped Miranda from shooting him. Up until that point, Niket was unapologetic, even accusing Miranda and questioning her motives for taking Oriana.
After Niket's promise, Miranda was willing to let him go.

[Jynthor]

shepard1038 wrote...

I just imagine Shepard acting like a celebrity after the war

The image of Sheploo in a suit doing the creepy smile just made me laugh.
All while having two super models at his side of course.

AgitatedLemon wrote...


... Because faking your death is probably cheaper than the 4 billion credit Lazarus.

I know that, such a killjoy. 

Modifié par Jynthor, 12 février 2012 - 01:42 .

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

She does, with the exception of two moments of concern and her dialogue in her LM she's almost pure reason and gives emotion or personality little thought. This is the problem of comparing the two, Sarah's a more complete character and has the benefit of a story that covers her past, present, and personal sides. With Miranda we only get the present story and second or third hand information on situations in the past.

You neglected to mention the romance conversations, and ME3, and the various dialogues Liara, Kelly, and Kasumi give about her (if romanced)...

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 12 février 2012 - 01:43 .

[trucoolbrees]

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...

That's my point. Being cold is an emotional response. Miranda's actions are analytical.

And how is Miranda shooting Niket because he was the only one who knew Oriana's location any different from Sarah shooting the Fulcrum agent because he is the only one who knows Chuck is the Intersect?

You do realize your comparing, Sarah killing an agent that works for an evil organization(Fulcrum) to Miranda killing someone who was her best friend for most of her life. Right? 

[shepard1038]

Jynthor wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

I just imagine Shepard acting like a celebrity after the war

The image of Sheploo in a suit doing the creepy smile just made me laugh.
All while having two super models at his side of course.

And a reporter asking questions at Shepard saying: how did you manage to kill the reapers and shepard says
the what?

[AgitatedLemon]

trucoolbrees wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...

That's my point. Being cold is an emotional response. Miranda's actions are analytical.

And how is Miranda shooting Niket because he was the only one who knew Oriana's location any different from Sarah shooting the Fulcrum agent because he is the only one who knows Chuck is the Intersect?

You do realize your comparing, Sarah killing an agent that works for an evil organization(Fulcrum) to Miranda killing someone who was her best friend for most of her life. Right? 

That's irrelevant. The comparison is between the circumstances Sarah's kill and Miranda's kill were based on.

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

I just imagine Shepard acting like a celebrity after the war

The image of Sheploo in a suit doing the creepy smile just made me laugh.
All while having two super models at his side of course.

And a reporter asking questions at Shepard saying: how did you manage to kill the reapers and shepard says
the what?

Reporter: Shepard, how did you take down the Reapers?

S: Well, you see, it wasn't really all that--

Turian Council member *Cutting Shepard off*: Ahh yes, Reapers. The immortal race of sentient starships allegedly waiting in dark space. We have dismissed that claim

[Jynthor]

shepard1038 wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

I just imagine Shepard acting like a celebrity after the war

The image of Sheploo in a suit doing the creepy smile just made me laugh.
All while having two super models at his side of course.

And a reporter asking questions at Shepard saying: how did you manage to kill the reapers and shepard says
the what?

Oh man, the image in my mind... It's too much.
I imagine him standing there with his creepy smile, then answers a question and immediatly goes back to the creepy smile.

Modifié par Jynthor, 12 février 2012 - 01:48 .

[android654]

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...
Sarah wasn't going to kill him until he threatened Chuck. Niket was appolegetic and even promised to say nothing. Sarah has an emotional response, Miranda has a calculated response.

Both are calculated responses.
Sarah did not kill him simply because he made some empty threat like "Once I get out, I'll kill your boyfriend.". Chuck's life is threatened almost every day but Sarah does not kill every villain in the show.
Sarah killed him because he knew that Chuck was the Intersect and she knew (after the beating she gave the villain) Fulcrum would never stop until they rescued that particular agent who would then let the leaders of Fulcrum know the truth about Chuck.
Thus, by killing this agent, she is eliminating a potential threat to Chuck.

This is not different from Miranda killing Niket to eliminate a potential threat to Oriana. Niket only promised to say nothing after Shepard stopped Miranda from shooting him. Up until that point, Niket was unapologetic, even accusing Miranda and questioning her motives for taking Oriana.
After Niket's promise, Miranda was willing to let him go.

Of course she doesn't kill everyone, she kills quite a few people, but if she can avoid it she might. They've detained people before who knew Chuck was the intersect. She killed him after he said Fulcrum would go after him. Fulcrum didn't know Chuck was the intersect, only that he was Charmichael. Sarah's reason for killimg him were emotional, it's even more evident when she lies to him only moments later about killing him. Showing shame about it is blatantly emotional.

Eventhough Niket was combative up to that point, the fact that she wouldn't give the only friend she ever had 2 minutes to explain himself show's she had no regard for his person, just her objective.

[Jynthor]

Tomorrow I will try to photoshop creepy smile superstar Shepard.

[AgitatedLemon]

The idea of Niket's friendship kinda flies out the window with the whole "Threatening the security and well-being of her twin sister" ordeal.

[Jynthor]

I couldn't let Miri kill her only childhood friend, especially because Niket isn't a bad guy, this becomes very clear after the paragon interrupt. He just didn't know the whole story. And even though he did die, his blood is not on Miri's hands.
Note: Even though I'm about 80% Renegade.

Modifié par Jynthor, 12 février 2012 - 02:00 .