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[Skullheart]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
And yes, Miranda is universally more important than Tali and Garrus. I've explained numerous times. I don't think I need to waste breath and time doing it again.

Why not? Everyone's b!tching, yet again... might as well go through the whole repetoire.

Should really find a way of warning newbs who just come in. If you're thinking of asking about Miranda - don't.

Nothing good will come of it.

@bold- What are you talking about?

The roller coaster is going down right now, if a new user comes here and ask about Miranda the first answers will be that her roler sucks, she is ooc, she doesn't have a contribution, etc.

Modifié par Skullheart, 12 février 2012 - 04:53 .

[PseudoEthnic]

Han Shot First wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Liara has more importance than almost any other squadmate around because she's the Shadow Broker and a prothean expert. Other than fighting Cerberus, Miranda doesn't have that much to offer.

While you are correct about Liara, Miranda supervised the Lazarus Project. Besides being the greatest medical achievement in the history of the galaxy, the Lazarus Project also saved the galaxy from the Reapers. The Reapers succeed if Shepard isn't in the picture. So Miranda's plot relevance in the series is very close to that of Liara, regardless of her role in ME3.

The Lazurus plotline is finished, unless it's brought back in major fashion in the third game. While Miranda may have been the head director of the LP, if it wasn't for Liara, there wouldn't be a project to begin with.

[AgitatedLemon]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Other than fighting Cerberus, Miranda doesn't have that much to offer.

Of course... *rubs temples* Here are some highlights for Miranda-

-TIM's ex-2IC. Basically, she had Kai Leng's job (Minus the assassinations).
-Headed the Lazarus project.
-Is the "perfect" human, genetically.

Liara being the Shadow Broker is a major plot device in itself, and the only reason THAT happened is because Liara has more plot armor than a Panzer tank.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 12 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[CrutchCricket]

Skullheart wrote...

The roller coaster is going down right now, if a new user comes here and ask about Miranda the first answers will be that her roler sucks, she is ooc, she doesn't have a contribution, etc.

Honestly, someone should just go through the last 600 pages and just catalog all the **** people complainted about. Gather all that wangst into a single suicide-inducing document and just upload that somewhere. Then the next time some one asks just point them to it. At least it's more efficient and it spares the rest of us.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[MisterJB]

XX55XX wrote...
Well, admittedly, she is a little Mary Sue-ish, perhaps as a result of the writers' collective biases.

All of Miranda's characteristics that could be called Mary Sue-ish are explained by the plot and downplayed.
It's not like an archeologist suddenly being an information broker because...

Modifié par MisterJB, 12 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[PseudoEthnic]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

-TIM's ex-2IC. Basically, she had Kai Leng's job (Minus the assassinations).

Where is it said that she was his second-in-command? I just remeber her being one of his top operatives.

-Headed the Lazarus project.

While important in the beginning of ME2, it didn't matter after that due to being swept under the rug.

-Is the "perfect" human, genetically.

Now this may be important enough to be investigated into. We are going after her father, after all. We may have a chance to ask him what he wanted out of Miranda that she needed to be what he considered "perfect."

[Skullheart]

Liara is the SB because bioware needed their favorite character to be something more than an archeologist.

btw, you think that Miranda could be better SB than Liara? She migh have years of experience in espionage. And I bet she know more than Liara about coordinating groups to gather intelligence.

Modifié par Skullheart, 12 février 2012 - 05:03 .

[AgitatedLemon]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

-TIM's ex-2IC. Basically, she had Kai Leng's job (Minus the assassinations).

Where is it said that she was his second-in-command? I just remeber her being one of his top operatives.

-Headed the Lazarus project.

While important in the beginning of ME2, it didn't matter after that due to being swept under the rug.

-Is the "perfect" human, genetically.

Now this may be important enough to be investigated into. We are going after her father, after all. We may have a chance to ask him what he wanted out of Miranda that she needed to be what he considered "perfect."

Like I said, she had Kai Leng's current job (He is TIM's 2IC, but Miranda AFAIK didn't undergo in any assassinations).

Lazarus is ignored for the most part in ME2. Not the case in ME3.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 12 février 2012 - 05:04 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Skullheart wrote...

Liara is the SB because bioware needed their favorite character to be something more than an archeologist.

btw, you think that Miranda could be better SB than Liara? She migh have years of experience in espionage. And I bet she know more than Liara about coordinating groups to gather intelligence.

I don't know. I'm drawing a blank on this one. She may be better than Liara at some points, but she may become corrupt with power.

[PseudoEthnic]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Like I said, she had Kai Leng's current job (He is TIM's 2IC, but Miranda AFAIK didn't undergo in any assassinations).

Miranda has the skills to do assassinations(she boasts about her combat skills in the beginning of ME2), so it wouldn't surprise me if TIM had her do some shady stuff before becoming the head director of Cerberus operations. That said, it's never said she was the second-in-command of Cerberus. It would be cool if she was, but we don't have that information.

Lazarus is ignored for the most part in ME2. Not the case in ME3.

I hope so, especially for something of that magnitude.

[MisterJB]

PseudoEthnic wrote...
That said, it's never said she was the second-in-command of Cerberus. It would be cool if she was, but we don't have that information.

It is revealed in ME3.

[Skullheart]

About the 2IC thing...

*spoilers* In the leak it's said that she is/was Cerberus second-in-command if you gave the base to Cerberus. If you didn't then Cerberus sends assassins to take her down.*spoiler*

That is one of the few things that I liked of the leak. She is an important character to cerberus, taking orders only from TIM, or being an important menace to Cerberus.

Modifié par Skullheart, 12 février 2012 - 05:40 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^
Well they're going to have to attempt to get passed me first.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 12 février 2012 - 05:27 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Why would Miri be Second in Command? Does she not realize what Cerberus is doing?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 12 février 2012 - 05:33 .

[AgitatedLemon]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Why would Miri be Second in Command? Does she not realize what Cerberus is doing?

She's not their 2IC in ME3.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Why would Miri be Second in Command? Does she not realize what Cerberus is doing?

She's not their 2IC in ME3.

Not Unless you give the Base to Cerberus, which doesn't apply to me. Miri resigns, and I blow the Base to Hell.

[AgitatedLemon]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Why would Miri be Second in Command? Does she not realize what Cerberus is doing?

She's not their 2IC in ME3.

Not Unless you give the Base to Cerberus, which doesn't apply to me. Miri resigns, and I blow the Base to Hell.

No, no, you don't understand... Eh, it's spoilers, I'll PM you what I mean.

[Sledgehammer44mm]

I want Miranda in my squad with Ashley sigh.....

[AgitatedLemon]

Sledgehammer44mm wrote...

I want Miranda in my squad with Ashley sigh.....

After hearing Ashley's "Cheated on" dialogue, I'm not so sure I want anything to do with her...

[JosephDucreux]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Other than fighting Cerberus, Miranda doesn't have that much to offer.

Of course... *rubs temples* Here are some highlights for Miranda-

-TIM's ex-2IC. Basically, she had Kai Leng's job (Minus the assassinations).
-Headed the Lazarus project.
-Is the "perfect" human, genetically.

Liara being the Shadow Broker is a major plot device in itself, and the only reason THAT happened is because Liara has more plot armor than a Panzer tank.

You kiddin' me? Her plot armor is even thicker than the combined armor of an entire Abrams tank battalion.

That's what she gets for being Mac Walter's waifu.

[Sledgehammer44mm]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Sledgehammer44mm wrote...

I want Miranda in my squad with Ashley sigh.....

After hearing Ashley's "Cheated on" dialogue, I'm not so sure I want anything to do with her...

Send me a pm I want to know what it is.
Regardless I love both of them especially Miranda.

[JosephDucreux]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Sledgehammer44mm wrote...

I want Miranda in my squad with Ashley sigh.....

After hearing Ashley's "Cheated on" dialogue, I'm not so sure I want anything to do with her...

PM me that dialog?

[Han Shot First]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Why would Miri be Second in Command? Does she not realize what Cerberus is doing?

Miranda being second-in-command of Cerberus doesn't make a lot of sense considering how in the dark she was regarding some of the more nefarious things Cerberus got up to. If she was in second-in-command she should have been both more in the know, and should have been more directly involved in some of them. It makes more sense I think for Miranda to be an important asset for Cerberus, and a high level manager, but not part of TIM's inner sanctum. She should be high level but not top tier, and only knowing what TIM wanted her to know.

Making Miranda second-in-command by default makes her much more culpable in Cerberus' crimes. Whereas before (as of ME2) I think she was more of a more or less good person who allowed her ideals and 'results-oriented' nature to get her caught up in organization that wasn't quite as noble as she viewed it.

You kiddin' me? Her plot armor is even thicker than the combined armor of an entire Abrams tank battalion.

Like most complains on the BSN, Liara's supposed 'plot armor' is greatly exaggerated. In mass Effect 1 Garrus and Tali could not be killed either, and while Ashley or Kaidan were individually vulnerable, one of the two Alliance Marines also always survives. So Liara was hardly unique in surviving Mass Effect 1. Out of the six squadmates in Mass Effect 1, at least four of them always survive incluing Liara. 

She only had a small cameo in Mass Effect 2 and wasn't on the squad, which makes the complaints about 'favortism' on the part of Bioware even more ridiculous. Wrex isn't killable in his cameo appearance either and neither is the Virmire Survivor.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 février 2012 - 06:10 .

[MisterJB]

There is no indication in ME2 that Miranda was kept in the dark regarding any of Cerberus' activities. Only that she placed more personal trust in TIM than he deserved.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Sledgehammer44mm wrote...

I want Miranda in my squad with Ashley sigh.....

After hearing Ashley's "Cheated on" dialogue, I'm not so sure I want anything to do with her...

Let me guess she talks bad about Miri.