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[AgitatedLemon]

Han Shot First wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Why would Miri be Second in Command? Does she not realize what Cerberus is doing?

Miranda being second-in-command of Cerberus doesn't make a lot of sense considering how in the dark she was regarding some of the more nefarious things Cerberus got up to. If she was in second-in-command she should have been both more in the know, and should have been more directly involved in some of them. It makes more sense I think for Miranda to be an important asset for Cerberus, and a high level manager, but not part of TIM's inner sanctum. She should be high level but not top tier, and only knowing what TIM wanted her to know.

Making Miranda second-in-command by default makes her much more culpable in Cerberus' crimes. Whereas before (as of ME2) I think she was more of a more or less good person who allowed her ideals and 'results-oriented' nature to get her caught up in organization that wasn't quite as noble as she viewed it.

She wasn't all that "in the dark", considering how she knew of quite a bit of Cerberus' operations (Despite security protocol dictating that the various cells be kept separate from one another). For example, she knew of Teltin, the rachni breeding, the husks, the thorian creepers, the Grayson incident on the flotilla, etc.

[PseudoEthnic]

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Sledgehammer44mm wrote...

I want Miranda in my squad with Ashley sigh.....

After hearing Ashley's "Cheated on" dialogue, I'm not so sure I want anything to do with her...

Let me guess she talks bad about Miri.

While it wasn't as bad as I feared, she is catty toward you for cheating on her with Miranda or Jack. Not so much with Tali.

[AgitatedLemon]

"Talking bad about Miri" is putting it lightly.

[Han Shot First]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Why would Miri be Second in Command? Does she not realize what Cerberus is doing?

Miranda being second-in-command of Cerberus doesn't make a lot of sense considering how in the dark she was regarding some of the more nefarious things Cerberus got up to. If she was in second-in-command she should have been both more in the know, and should have been more directly involved in some of them. It makes more sense I think for Miranda to be an important asset for Cerberus, and a high level manager, but not part of TIM's inner sanctum. She should be high level but not top tier, and only knowing what TIM wanted her to know.

Making Miranda second-in-command by default makes her much more culpable in Cerberus' crimes. Whereas before (as of ME2) I think she was more of a more or less good person who allowed her ideals and 'results-oriented' nature to get her caught up in organization that wasn't quite as noble as she viewed it.

She wasn't all that "in the dark", considering how she knew of quite a bit of Cerberus' operations (Despite security protocol dictating that the various cells be kept separate from one another). For example, she knew of Teltin, the rachni breeding, the husks, the thorian creepers, the Grayson incident on the flotilla, etc.

If she is second-in-command however she should have had more of a say on what is going on in the day-to-day operations. When she talks about  some of the more nefarious things that Cerberus got up to, she talks about them as if they were things that she doesn't approve of, and were 'mistakes.' She also sort of puts blinders on and talks about them as if these incidents don't represent the organization as a whole.

That tone sort of implies spectator status, rather than command level involvement. If she is TIM's second-in-command she is culpable for what happened to Jack, the Thorian Creepers, the Rachni breeding, the Grayson incident, ect. It also makes little sense for the second in command to be appointed project head of the Lazarus Project, unless as a punishment. Because it would be a demotion of sorts in that it removes the second in command from the day to day operations of the organization as a whole.

[PseudoEthnic]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

"Talking bad about Miri" is putting it lightly.

There must be some dialogue that I missed because from what I read in the leaked script, it wasn't all that bad.

[Skullheart]

I think she becomes cerberus 2IC after ME2 (base keept scenario).

And she knew of the thorian creepers and rachni maybe because TIM gave her those files (Shepard was the one who dealt with that problem, and she needed to answer any of Shep questions).

[Skullheart]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

"Talking bad about Miri" is putting it lightly.

There must be some dialogue that I missed because from what I read in the leaked script, it wasn't all that bad.

A minor and replaceable character like her doesn't need more than that. They needed to develope other characters to pleasure the annoying fanbase.

[Han Shot First]

Skullheart wrote...

I think she becomes cerberus 2IC after ME2 (base keept scenario).

Now that would actually make sense.

After ME2 we know that Cerberus has been decimated, with a lot of the organization having been killed or detained thanks to Anderson and the Turians. So in the aftermath of that it is possible that the existing second-in-command had been killed or detained as well, and now there was a 'job opening.' Also with the success of both the Lazarus Project and Cerberus obtaining the Collector Base, TIM would no doubt be very please with Miranda. Her moving up the Cerberus ladder makes sense in that context.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 février 2012 - 06:24 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Han Shot First wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

I think she becomes cerberus 2IC after ME2 (base keept scenario).

Now that would actually make sense.

After ME2 we know that Cerberus has been decimated, with a lot of the organization having been killed or detained thanks to Anderson and the Turians. So in the aftermath of that it is possible that the existing second-in-command had been killed or detained as well, and now there was a 'job opening.' Also with the success of both the Lazarus Project and Cerberus obtaining the Collector Base, TIM would no doubt be very please with Miranda. Her moving up the Cerberus ladder makes sense in that context.

Cerberus is in no way decimated after ME2.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

I think she becomes cerberus 2IC after ME2 (base keept scenario).

Now that would actually make sense.

After ME2 we know that Cerberus has been decimated, with a lot of the organization having been killed or detained thanks to Anderson and the Turians. So in the aftermath of that it is possible that the existing second-in-command had been killed or detained as well, and now there was a 'job opening.' Also with the success of both the Lazarus Project and Cerberus obtaining the Collector Base, TIM would no doubt be very please with Miranda. Her moving up the Cerberus ladder makes sense in that context.

Cerberus is in no way decimated after ME2.

After me3 yep.

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

I think she becomes cerberus 2IC after ME2 (base keept scenario).

Now that would actually make sense.

After ME2 we know that Cerberus has been decimated, with a lot of the organization having been killed or detained thanks to Anderson and the Turians. So in the aftermath of that it is possible that the existing second-in-command had been killed or detained as well, and now there was a 'job opening.' Also with the success of both the Lazarus Project and Cerberus obtaining the Collector Base, TIM would no doubt be very please with Miranda. Her moving up the Cerberus ladder makes sense in that context.

Cerberus is in no way decimated after ME2.

After me3 yep.

You said ME2 earlier, which isn't the case.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

I think she becomes cerberus 2IC after ME2 (base keept scenario).

Now that would actually make sense.

After ME2 we know that Cerberus has been decimated, with a lot of the organization having been killed or detained thanks to Anderson and the Turians. So in the aftermath of that it is possible that the existing second-in-command had been killed or detained as well, and now there was a 'job opening.' Also with the success of both the Lazarus Project and Cerberus obtaining the Collector Base, TIM would no doubt be very please with Miranda. Her moving up the Cerberus ladder makes sense in that context.

Cerberus is in no way decimated after ME2.

After me3 yep.

You said ME2 earlier, which isn't the case.

If you see my name your notice that you're confusing me

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

I think she becomes cerberus 2IC after ME2 (base keept scenario).

Now that would actually make sense.

After ME2 we know that Cerberus has been decimated, with a lot of the organization having been killed or detained thanks to Anderson and the Turians. So in the aftermath of that it is possible that the existing second-in-command had been killed or detained as well, and now there was a 'job opening.' Also with the success of both the Lazarus Project and Cerberus obtaining the Collector Base, TIM would no doubt be very please with Miranda. Her moving up the Cerberus ladder makes sense in that context.

Cerberus is in no way decimated after ME2.

After me3 yep.

You said ME2 earlier, which isn't the case.

If you see my name your notice that you're confusing me

Damn identical forum avatars.

[shepard1038]

I still can't think about what ashley said, is just to much cruel.

[Sledgehammer44mm]

shepard1038 wrote...

I still can't think about what ashley said, is just to much cruel.

That's women for you.

[shepard1038]

Sledgehammer44mm wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

I still can't think about what ashley said, is just to much cruel.

That's women for you.

No that's Ashley.

[AgitatedLemon]

Sledgehammer44mm wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

I still can't think about what ashley said, is just to much cruel.

That's women for you.

Especially since Miranda's the only one she appears to be openly hostile towards (AFAIK)

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 12 février 2012 - 06:58 .

[Dr. Doctor]

What I'm curious about is how exactly Cerberus becomes Shepard's enemy in ME3. My main Shepard kept the base and actually agrees with Cerberus' ideals. Technically, I never really broke ties with the organization and they randomly start shooting at me. That's cool.

[AgitatedLemon]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What I'm curious about is how exactly Cerberus becomes Shepard's enemy in ME3. My main Shepard kept the base and actually agrees with Cerberus' ideals. Technically, I never really broke ties with the organization and they randomly start shooting at me. That's cool.

TIM found out Shepard was banging his 2IC and eating his cereal.

So he sent Kai Leng to steal Shepard's cereal.

Well, and kill him.

[shepard1038]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What I'm curious about is how exactly Cerberus becomes Shepard's enemy in ME3. My main Shepard kept the base and actually agrees with Cerberus' ideals. Technically, I never really broke ties with the organization and they randomly start shooting at me. That's cool.

He doen't need you anymore you were just an asset, now he has other plans.

[AgitatedLemon]

Thanks for being a buzzkill.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Thanks for being a buzzkill.

Hey don't compare me to buzzkillinton of Family guy.

[Han Shot First]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

I think she becomes cerberus 2IC after ME2 (base keept scenario).

Now that would actually make sense.

After ME2 we know that Cerberus has been decimated, with a lot of the organization having been killed or detained thanks to Anderson and the Turians. So in the aftermath of that it is possible that the existing second-in-command had been killed or detained as well, and now there was a 'job opening.' Also with the success of both the Lazarus Project and Cerberus obtaining the Collector Base, TIM would no doubt be very please with Miranda. Her moving up the Cerberus ladder makes sense in that context.

Cerberus is in no way decimated after ME2.

They are decimated in Mass Effect: Retribution, which occurs sometime between ME2 and ME3.  Since I've been avoiding ME3 spoilers I have no idea how it is that Cerberus was able to build an army, but whatever *that* is, it must occur at some point after Retribution.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 février 2012 - 07:14 .

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
What I'm curious about is how exactly Cerberus becomes Shepard's enemy in ME3. My main Shepard kept the base and actually agrees with Cerberus' ideals. Technically, I never really broke ties with the organization and they randomly start shooting at me. That's cool.

I guess what you meant is that's NOT cool. There better be a good explanation for that. Cyrus Shepard is as yours, and I'd like to know why the organization I worked with to take the Collector base is suddenly sabotaging my plans to stop the Reapers instead of supporting them or asking for my help. 

[AgitatedLemon]

I haven't read Retribution (I know a basic plot synopsis), but what gives you the impression it's decimated? AFAIK, it just introduces Kai Leng, and builds up to Invasion.