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[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Admittedly, it is somewhat monotonous. However, the role in the leaked script really is awful and contains nothing that anyone would want (essentially). So, until further notice, it is unlikely to change. No reason why it should, really.

It's pointless to pretend it doesn't suck when it blatantly does.

Who's contending it sucks? I have yet to see anyone say "Miranda is great in the leak". I haven't even read the leak and what I'm hearing (whether I want to or not) sounds terrible. And if were to change it would've done so by now (game comes out in less than a month) However no one here knows whether it has or not. We'll find out in March.

All that however does nothing to justify or even address why some people feel compelled to go on and on about it, repeating the same complaints over and over.

But I see jtav has (sort of) taken my suggestion and compiled the main facts of the problem. Hopefully next time some one innocently asks about Miranda in ME3 we can just point them to that post and be done with it.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

All that however does nothing to justify or even address why some people feel compelled to go on and on about it, repeating the same complaints over and over.

No, the reason for that is they are pissed and want to vent and complain. That hasn't even begun yet, tbh. Partly because there is some doubt about what the role will look like in the actual game.

So, should you be interested in continuing to complain about the complaining, you will probably have many opportunities moving forward.

Modifié par flemm, 12 février 2012 - 05:31 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
No, the reason for that is they are pissed and want to vent and complain. That hasn't even begun yet, tbh. Partly because there is some doubt about what the role will look like in the actual game.

For 600 pages? Christ how much venting do you need to do?  And again it's the same thing over and over.

You know the story of how R. Lee Emery got on Full Metal Jacket? He was originally hired as a consultant. But during a break he supposedly demonstrated his drill seargent badassery by swearing at the "recruits"... for a whole hour, non-stop and never repeating himself once. That's damn impressive. If he'd just called them mother****ers for an hour he probably would've gotten fired.

It's the repetition I (and I'm sure others) find irritating. I have no doubt that if Miranda's role sucks as bad or worse in the final product this thread will see a ****-storm of complaints. Hell I'd be certain of that even if her role was adequate because let's face it, it's the Internet. But at least then the complants would a) be about something real, not just speculation, no matter how likely) and be novel if only for the single fact that you're complaining about a game and not some half assed script.

Hell I'd likely even join in for a bit. But yes, even after the game comes out, if we get another 600 pages and again the compaints are just cycled in never ending loops of angst I won't be happy about it. After a while, you just have to get over it.

And if you're thinking I should get over complaining about the complaining, it's too early. Unlike the rest of you I'm just getting started:P

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 février 2012 - 05:46 .

[android654]

flemm wrote...
No, the reason for that is they are pissed and want to vent and complain. That hasn't even begun yet, tbh. Partly because there is some doubt about what the role will look like in the actual game.

This is the reason why I canceled my pre-order. Way too many people talking about the leaks, and from what I've read I'm not pleased with the direction they took with any of my favorite characters. So I'm going to wait and see what everyone has to say once its out and see what the final treatment is like before buying it. I'd be pissed If I dropped sixty dollars for a game I felt was written horribly.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Chapter two of All That Remains. This is dark, folks.

Dark indeed. But Miranda is active and working against the Reapers - for now. I'm curious how you'll manage to write from her POV when her mental state deteriorates. And how she's cured at the end.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
For 600 pages? Christ how much venting do you need to do?

Me personally? I'm not sure. I haven't actually done any yet. But I think 600 pages or so, at minimum  

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
For 600 pages? Christ how much venting do you need to do?

Me personally? I'm not sure. I haven't actually done any yet. But I think 600 pages or so, at minimum  

Well then that just makes me wonder whether we don't need a new thread just for that.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Well then that just makes me wonder whether we don't need a new thread just for that.

We might

[wright1978]

Don't worry if the game and Miranda's role disappoints me as much as the leak suggests it will i will only hang about to abuse Bioware for a month or so.

[jtav]

Hmm. Would you be happier if Miranda died in the attempt to take TIM down at or near the endgame, perhaps after calling him out on his betrayal?

[Raizo]

wright1978 wrote...

Don't worry if the game and Miranda's role disappoints me as much as the leak suggests it will i will only hang about to abuse Bioware for a month or so.

I'm more or less in a similar situation. Bioware does not have  a very good track record with me. ME2 is the only Bioware game that I have played that I like. My first Bioware game was ME1 which I thought was a good game on paper but failed to deliver with the exception of ME2 I would say that every other Bioware game since ME1 has looked good on paper but when it came down to having fun, well I did not, instead it felt like I was wasting my life playing crap.

The ME3 squadmate issue is going to be the issue that makes or breaks ME3 for me. If I'm not happy with the people I am forced to spend time with then I won't be happy playing the game ( it's not just Miranda, I'm also concenred about Samara, Kasumi, Thane, Grunt, Mordin, Legion. The thing is that between Miranda's popularity, her history with Cerebus, how often she was used in ME2 and how often she was romanced logic would have dictated that Miranda would/should have gotten a decent role in ME3 but she did not so if Bioware are ignoring her than what does that mean for the less popular and less plot relevant ME2 characters in ME3 ).

If I am unhappy with the ME3 squad chances are that I will be leaving these forums as well and I will not buy anymore Bioware games ( because of thier poor track record at entertaining me ), problem is where do I go, I've gotten so used to coming here every day when I have spare time.

[wright1978]

jtav wrote...

Hmm. Would you be happier if Miranda died in the attempt to take TIM down at or near the endgame, perhaps after calling him out on his betrayal?

I dislike forced deaths so no.

[ThomGau]

You mean in case her role in ME3 sucks ?

If so, well I love this character, in spite of the possibility that her role may not fulfil my expectations at all, I couldn't be happy of her death, even more if it is a plot-forced death.

I'd just be even more disappointed to see that they really wanted to get rid of her.

Modifié par ThomGau, 12 février 2012 - 07:48 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Weltea wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Tali has an interesting story arc, one of the best loyalty missions and a reasonably big potential plot impact in ME3.

I think any plot relevance she'll have will feel incredible forced because throughout ME 1 and 2 she's portrayed as an unimportant teenage girl that only gets any attention because of her father. ME2 made it pretty clear that the quarians don't take her serious or care about her opinion...
imo,she,like Garrus, is only getting so much coverage in the game because they're *popular*

This.

Same goes for Garrus.

[Dr. Doctor]

I'd prefer no death at all. I'm not against having the option of having Miranda die in ME3, as a matter of fact I'm happy that Bioware is giving us an option to tell a story where Miranda can be portrayed as a tragic figure but I'd still like the option to have her be able to grow as a character.

As it stands the only character that I'm worried about in ME3 is Mordin. Miranda might be one of my favorite LI's but the good doctor is my favorite ME character.

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

You mean in case her role in ME3 sucks ?

If so, well I love this character, in spite of the possibility that her role may not fulfil my expectations at all, I couldn't be happy of her death, even more if it is a plot-forced death.

I'd just be even more disappointed to see that they really wanted to get rid of her.

This, as well.

Bad role in ME3? I can sort of handle that. It isn't anything to disown her as a character over, and she'll still be my favorite, regardless of what happens.

Plot-enforced death? Welp, they aren't getting my money any more.

[AgitatedLemon]

Raizo wrote...

The ME3 squadmate issue is going to be the issue that makes or breaks ME3 for me. If I'm not happy with the people I am forced to spend time with then I won't be happy playing the game (it's not just Miranda, I'm also concenred about Samara, Kasumi, Thane, Grunt, Mordin, Legion). The thing is that between Miranda's popularity, her history with Cerebus, how often she was used in ME2 and how often she was romanced logic would have dictated that Miranda would/should have gotten a decent role in ME3 but she did not so if Bioware are ignoring her than what does that mean for the less popular and less plot relevant ME2 characters in ME3 ).

Dear God, yes. This, on so many levels. 

[Td1984]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

You mean in case her role in ME3 sucks ?

If so, well I love this character, in spite of the possibility that her role may not fulfil my expectations at all, I couldn't be happy of her death, even more if it is a plot-forced death.

I'd just be even more disappointed to see that they really wanted to get rid of her.

This, as well.

Bad role in ME3? I can sort of handle that. It isn't anything to disown her as a character over, and she'll still be my favorite, regardless of what happens.

Plot-enforced death? Welp, they aren't getting my money any more.

Agree completely with Lemon. I can deal with a mediocre role in ME3 for her (I can tweak my head-canon to account for the way she acts in ME3 with no problem).

Plot-forced death? That would lead to three things: 1. I'd have to romance someone else (or shoot for an acceptable ending where Thomas dies at the end) and that would be difficult since Miranda's so entrenched in said head-canon. 2. I doubt I would ever be able to bring myself to purchase another BioWare game. 3. Panda time.

[Ieldra]

There won't be a plot-enforced death unless - possibly - if Miranda is not loyal.

[jtav]

See, and to me, death is no big deal as long as that death has meaning and she has a Dying Moment of Awesome.

[Raizo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

There won't be a plot-enforced death unless - possibly - if Miranda is not loyal.

I may have mis-understood that, are you saying Miranda will not have a forced death if she is not loyal or is it the other way around.

[AgitatedLemon]

Raizo wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

There won't be a plot-enforced death unless - possibly - if Miranda is not loyal.

I may have mis-understood that, are you saying Miranda will not have a forced death if she is not loyal or is it the other way around.

The other way around.

But don't take it as fact.

[flemm]

Eh, personally I hope that Miranda's role in the game is good enough that I don't feel obligated to rant about it here post-release. There are other things I'd rather be doing.

Which isn't to say I won't be around to discuss all the details if it is good, of course.

Modifié par flemm, 12 février 2012 - 08:29 .

[jtav]

Death is fairly easy to fix, with or without fanfic. The bullet was a few millimeters to the left. Not to mention Lazarus, AIs, clones...Death doesn't hold the terror it once did in ME. Fixing mangled characterization takes actual work.

[Jynthor]

Guys, so I thought my computer made screenshots too dark for some reason and whatever I did, I couldn't fix it. Then I accidently put my screenshots in a slideshow(Thus, fullscreen) and it turns out they were fine, but the colour settings made them look awful in windowed mode. So I fixed that(yay) and can now see them as they should be.

The reason why I'm telling you guys this is because now I have Miranda screenshots which don't look terrible, I might post some later. Cheers.