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[Sylvianus]

outmane wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I was the only one some months ago who knew that miranda wouldn't be important in M3 when we learned cerberus will be the bad guys ? Without Cerberus, it is very difficult to keep her as a permanent squadmate. Her role would be insignificant. It wouldn't be fair to her character, if she would just follow shep on the normandy everywhere in this war.

I dont know...

If your Shep took the paragon route and had Miranda with him/her then she gave the finger to TIM and Shepard is pretty much her only option to get involved in the Reaper war and try saving humanity.
If your Shep took the renegade route or if Miranda wasnt on the team for the final fight then she should be concerned about what happens with Cerberus in ME3.

Even if my canon FemShep and Miri had a 'rival' relationship in ME2, I hope to see an idealistic and strong Miranda (in other words still fighting for human dominance) in ME3 then a girl who lost her sense of priority and has for unique goal to save her sister. She needs to do better then that to keep Shep's respect.

I  totally agree. I hope she will have a goal in M3, ( humanity, etc ) but according to your reactions , I can forget that I think...

Modifié par Sylvianus, 16 février 2012 - 11:10 .

[CuseGirl]

Avy DiSartori wrote...

did you guys see this?? EA's new marketing campaign: "Publisher Electronic Arts will be launching copies of Mass Effect 3 into space using weather balloons that will be released in New York, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Berlin, London and Paris." lol, their Ego is completely out of control...

lollll....so they're so big they can just give their game away and make it rain? smh.....

totally random: my mom gave me her adult opinion as to why Miranda isn't so integral to the game: "first of all, you'd be surprised what kind of agendas and egos these companies have. second of all, fans age out. those people who love Miranda would get old and stop liking her." and I said "but in Miranda's case, she's the only character designed and voiced by the same person, we would age with her" and my mom replies "she probably wanted more money :shrug:"

[AgitatedLemon]

CuseGirl wrote...

Avy DiSartori wrote...

did you guys see this?? EA's new marketing campaign: "Publisher Electronic Arts will be launching copies of Mass Effect 3 into space using weather balloons that will be released in New York, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Berlin, London and Paris." lol, their Ego is completely out of control...

lollll....so they're so big they can just give their game away and make it rain? smh.....

totally random: my mom gave me her adult opinion as to why Miranda isn't so integral to the game: "first of all, you'd be surprised what kind of agendas and egos these companies have. second of all, fans age out. those people who love Miranda would get old and stop liking her." and I said "but in Miranda's case, she's the only character designed and voiced by the same person, we would age with her" and my mom replies "she probably wanted more money :shrug:"

Your mom missed the point.

Badly.

[AgitatedLemon]

Is anyone else in the MP Demo? It was supposed to be F2P for everyone on the 17th, but I can get in it just fine today.

[jtav]

I do wonder if they might have been trying to limit her session time. She rarely has more than one line to speak at a time.

[Td1984]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Is anyone else in the MP Demo? It was supposed to be F2P for everyone on the 17th, but I can get in it just fine today.

I'd try it, but I'm having Internet connection issues today (even more so than usual).

[Sylvianus]

@ Agitated lemon

Garrus is with Shepard because he has always been central to the fight against the Reapers. In M1, that's what he wanted. Plus, He knows that turians fight like other species everywhere, he does not need to be with them,  shepard isn't on earth too for the same reason. They know that if they do not find a way to defeat the invincible machine, it is useless to fight against a higher power. Therefore he is with Shepard, as he was already in M1, in pursuit of Saren.

M2 has also strengthened the relationship between them, he has nothing now, (lost his commando.)

For the VS, It was already shepard's ship, he is reintegrated now, Anderson gave him an order before the VS. They need to obey, because that's HIS mission. Without shepard they would be already on the normandy anyway, he is here now, that doesn't change anything about that, except he gives orders on his normandy. For Ashley, she is the same rank as shepard

But for Kaidan, I must admit... I hope there will be some lines about that.  Major indeed, they can't have done that without a true purpose for the story.

Liara, shep needs her for all the answers he seeks. He can not leave her behind, she is precious. especially that Cerberus is against them now. As she once said in M1, she is safe on the normandy. She's also a powerful biotic. They need to move to know how to fight the reapers, and Liara needs to be there, not elsewhere.

They will travel anywhere, they will need all possible information, processed quickly and efficiently.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 16 février 2012 - 11:45 .

[The Elder King]

CuseGirl wrote...

Avy DiSartori wrote...

did you guys see this?? EA's new marketing campaign: "Publisher Electronic Arts will be launching copies of Mass Effect 3 into space using weather balloons that will be released in New York, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Berlin, London and Paris." lol, their Ego is completely out of control...

lollll....so they're so big they can just give their game away and make it rain? smh.....

totally random: my mom gave me her adult opinion as to why Miranda isn't so integral to the game: "first of all, you'd be surprised what kind of agendas and egos these companies have. second of all, fans age out. those people who love Miranda would get old and stop liking her." and I said "but in Miranda's case, she's the only character designed and voiced by the same person, we would age with her" and my mom replies "she probably wanted more money :shrug:"

I'd have agree on this is ME3 would've come out 5-7 years after ME2, and if Bioware didn't change Ashely aspect so much that now a lot of people who like ME but didn't focus on the development thought that she is Ashley (I saw a lot of people in one of Italian biggest gaming forum that confused the new Ashley for Miranda).
I will repeat that argument, the main reason for the absence of any ME2 exclusive squadmates is the SM and its idiotic death system.

Modifié par hhh89, 16 février 2012 - 11:51 .

[CuseGirl]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

totally random: my mom gave me her adult opinion as to why Miranda isn't so integral to the game: "first of all, you'd be surprised what kind of agendas and egos these companies have. second of all, fans age out. those people who love Miranda would get old and stop liking her." and I said "but in Miranda's case, she's the only character designed and voiced by the same person, we would age with her" and my mom replies "she probably wanted more money :shrug:"

Your mom missed the point. Badly.

Well my mom is obviously not a gamer, so her perspective on things is typically different from mine (or the typical gamer who goes online and reads pre-release info on games). Many times, she sees the most simplistic angle that makes the most sense. Remember, these games cost alot to make and good actors are not cheap. As for her "companies have agendas and egos", I think she meant from a gameplay standpoint, maybe Bioware/EA wants us to focus on SOMETHING else and that many times what we want they really don't give a flyin' hoo-hah about.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

I honestly like Miranda's character more than Ashley but the truth is I really love them both and which ever romance I feel is more fulfilling will be the one I stuck with

[CuseGirl]

hhh89 wrote...
I'd have agree on this is ME3 would've come out 5-7 years after ME2, and if Bioware didn't change Ashely aspect so much that now a lot of people who like ME but didn't focus on the development thought that she is Ashley (I saw a lot of people in one of Italian biggest gaming forum that confused the new Ashley for Miranda).
I will repeat that argument, the main reason for the absence of any ME exclusive squadmates is the SM and its idiotic death system.

you mean ME-2 right? In other words, because the likes of Jack, Kasumi, Miranda (even tho she had plot armor), Jacob, Grunt, etc could die in the SM, they didn't write them in the way Garrus, Tali and the VS are written into ME-3? Makes a lot of sense, from a production standpoint. But for Miranda, she's the one ME-2 newbie whose probably the most "survivable" character. You nearly have to orchestrate her death by refusing to do her loyalty mission, not choosing her to lead a fire squad, then taking her to final boss fight unloyal right?

[Jynthor]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I honestly like Miranda's character more than Ashley but the truth is I really love them both and which ever romance I feel is more fulfilling will be the one I stuck with

Obviously Ashley's will be more fulfilling since she's actually a squadmember. And from what I've heard Miranda is little more than a cameo.

[AgitatedLemon]

Sylvianus wrote...


Garrus is with Shepard because he has always been central to the fight against the Reapers. In M1, that's what he wanted. Plus, He knows that turians fight like other species everywhere, he does not need to be with them,  shepard isn't on earth too for the same reason. They know that if they do not find a way to defeat the invincible machine, it is useless to fight against a higher power. Therefore he is with Shepard, as he was already in M1, in pursuit of Saren.

Half of this paragraph is made up of nonsense sentences.

But Garrus did NOT need to join Shepard. He was investigating Saren, but he had nothing. He learned about the Reapers the same time Shepard did. He was never fighting them beforehand, and he's certainly never been central. You can avoid picking him up in ME1.

The only squadmate in ME1 who actively contributed to taking down Saren before Virmire was Tali.

At this point, Garrus is just playing Robin to Shepard's Batman.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 16 février 2012 - 11:54 .

[The Elder King]

CuseGirl wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
I'd have agree on this is ME3 would've come out 5-7 years after ME2, and if Bioware didn't change Ashely aspect so much that now a lot of people who like ME but didn't focus on the development thought that she is Ashley (I saw a lot of people in one of Italian biggest gaming forum that confused the new Ashley for Miranda).
I will repeat that argument, the main reason for the absence of any ME exclusive squadmates is the SM and its idiotic death system.

you mean ME-2 right? In other words, because the likes of Jack, Kasumi, Miranda (even tho she had plot armor), Jacob, Grunt, etc could die in the SM, they didn't write them in the way Garrus, Tali and the VS are written into ME-3? Makes a lot of sense, from a production standpoint. But for Miranda, she's the one ME-2 newbie whose probably the most "survivable" character. You nearly have to orchestrate her death by refusing to do her loyalty mission, not choosing her to lead a fire squad, then taking her to final boss fight unloyal right?

Yeah, I meant ME2 (I messed the number). I think they choosed Garrus and Tali for their popularity. From what I saw, outside of BSN, Garrus and Tali are a lot more popular than ME2 squadmates. Bioware may have feared the rage and reaction for their absence on the team (or maybe they liked them more than the other ME2 squadmates).

[The Elder King]

Sylvianus wrote...

@ Agitated lemon

Garrus is with Shepard because he has always been central to the fight against the Reapers. In M1, that's what he wanted. Plus, He knows that turians fight like other species everywhere, he does not need to be with them,  shepard isn't on earth too for the same reason. They know that if they do not find a way to defeat the invincible machine, it is useless to fight against a higher power. Therefore he is with Shepard, as he was already in M1, in pursuit of Saren.

M2 has also strengthened the relationship between them, he has nothing now, (lost his commando.)

As much as I love Garrus, I wish he'll graduate from the role of Shep's sidekick. I think it'd have been better if Bioware developed him in a different way after ME. Making him a Spectre or a high-ranking member in the C-Sec, trying to change the thing there would've been better in my opinion.

[jtav]

Garrus is the eternal sidekick, which is his tragedy.

And Miranda? Miranda did care about fighting the Reapers and helping humans. But her focus is now on Oriana as near as we can tell. I'd have preferred forced death to what I've read--dying in the attempt to destroy Cerberus with that as her primary goal.

[Jynthor]

I don't mind Garrus.
The way I see it he's one of Shepard's closest friends by now and I doubt Shepard would want anyone else at his side while fighting the Reapers. Just because he isn't directly useful in taking down the Reapers doesn't mean he's a bad squad member. Also I have a weak spot for badass vigilantes, they're my favourite kind of character.

Tali on the other hand I don't really get, she was a Quarian Engineer who happened to have some info on Saren and there it more or less ends. Her role should have ended at the end of ME1. She helped you with the whole Saren thing, completed her pilgrimage and can go back to doing Quarian things instead they keep shoving her on my ship. And just to be clear, I don't hate Tali, I think she's pretty nice, but she shouldn't have been a squad member in all 3 games.

Modifié par Jynthor, 17 février 2012 - 12:03 .

[jtav]

Tali can be justified by being tied to a trilogy-spanning plot thread. Garrus is just there because Ieldra and I are the only two people on the planet who hate his guts (sorry outmane)

[Sylvianus]

@agitated lemon.

No, garrus doesn't have to join shepard, but it has always been his role to play Robin like you said, since M1. When I am saying he has always been central against the reapers, I mean, he has seen everything Shepard saw, and he is as concerned as him to find a way to win against the reapers. It isn't surprising to see him as permanente squadmate again, he has nothing else to do.

He could fight to defend Palaven, but again, if he knows that shep will try to find a way to win definitely against the reapers, he could totally join the normandy.

Miranda, isn't like him at all, she isn't Robin. It would be weird if it was the same.

@hhh89. I agree.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 février 2012 - 12:09 .

[Jynthor]

jtav wrote...

Tali can be justified by being tied to a trilogy-spanning plot thread. Garrus is just there because Ieldra and I are the only two people on the planet who hate his guts (sorry outmane)

Funny enough, only since ME2 did I really start to like Garrus. Before that he was just "that C-sec guy" So I suppose he has no real purpose after all, but I'm going to be a hypocrite and defend him because I like him now.
 

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

Garrus is the eternal sidekick, which is his tragedy.

And Miranda? Miranda did care about fighting the Reapers and helping humans. But her focus is now on Oriana as near as we can tell. I'd have preferred forced death to what I've read--dying in the attempt to destroy Cerberus with that as her primary goal.

I don't like them both. I'd like to see a Miranda which cares deeply about Orianda and wants to save her, but with the goal of accomplish some other goals not related to her sister, like the creation of a real human version of the STG, or some other things that could help humanity.

Modifié par hhh89, 17 février 2012 - 12:11 .

[Sylvianus]

Jynthor wrote...

Tali on the other hand I don't really get, she was a Quarian Engineer who happened to have some info on Saren and there it more or less ends. Her role should have ended at the end of ME1. She helped you with the whole Saren thing, completed her pilgrimage and can go back to doing Quarian things instead they keep shoving her on my ship. And just to be clear, I don't hate Tali, I think she's pretty nice, but she shouldn't have been a squad member in all 3 games.

Tali seemed really concerned by her people, she really cares about them. And I don't think she is like Garrus, she couldn't let her people in danger behind, while she is on the normandy. I wait to see how it is however.

[jtav]

Well, it's hardly my dream scenario either, but better a heroic death true to her ideals than a shadow who has me rocketing between wanting to kill her, her father, or Oriana.

[outmane]

jtav wrote...

Tali can be justified by being tied to a trilogy-spanning plot thread. Garrus is just there because Ieldra and I are the only two people on the planet who hate his guts (sorry outmane)

No problem. Your tastes are just as valid as mines. I actually consider myself quite lucky to have my favorite character in all 3 games.

Just hope it wont ruin the game for you.


Edit: Miranda ends up being uloyal in my canon because of the Jack incident. If she is totally not herself in ME3, i might consider going back and bringing her to the final fight. That way she would be remembered as I enjoyed her. A worhty rival who went all the way for her ideals.

Modifié par outmane, 17 février 2012 - 12:21 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Sylvianus wrote...

@agitated lemon.

No, garrus doesn't have to join shepard, but it has always been his role to play Robin like you said, since M1. When I am saying he has always been central against the reapers, I mean, he has seen everything Shepard saw, and he is as concerned as him to find a way to win against the reapers. It isn't surprising to see him as permanente squadmate again, he has nothing else to do.

He could fight to defend Palaven, but again, if he knows that shep will try to find a way to win definitely against the reapers, he could totally join the normandy.

Miranda, isn't like him at all, she isn't Robin. It would be weird if it was the same.

@hhh89. I agree.

Again, the same can be extended to everyone. Wrex saw what Shepard saw, so did Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, etc...

He has never been "central against the Reapers". Hell, he couldn't even follow his own leads in ME1, and that was just against Saren.

Just because he "wants to take down the Reapers" doesn't all of a sudden make him important, or every person in the galaxy would be important.