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[CrutchCricket]

gogatm wrote...

The kettle should definitely call the pot back. Its rude not to return calls.

The lesson here is that, for some reason, the pot thinks its better than the kettle... or maybe the pot just moved on? Sometimes the emptiness of not knowing is worse than the truth.

Well you just won yourself some Internet:wizard:

[Seishoujyo]

jtav wrote...

Would everyine play nice, please? Some of us quite like Tali.

Well some of us don't.

Tali is the most useless and bland character in ME, she was just usefull a the begining of ME1, but after that.... Just a character placed at each ME because of some noisy, loud, hardcore fanboys.

[jtav]

And I'm saying that this is the Miranda thread, not the anti=Tali, anti-Liara or anti-anything else thread. Character bashing will not be tolerated here.

[CrutchCricket]

Seishoujyo wrote...

Well some of us don't.

Tali is the most useless and bland character in ME, she was just usefull a the begining of ME1, but after that.... Just a character placed at each ME because of some noisy, loud, hardcore fanboys.

Well now there's no need to be a noisly loud hardcore fanboy about bashing her either. That's not what this thread is for.

[Seishoujyo]

I m not bashing anything, just telling the truth, a truth everyone know.

But yeah the thread is about Miranda, so ok.

[wright1978]

kainee wrote...

Raizo wrote...

No, I would like to know. I would want them to explain what the hell they were thinking when they made the ME3 squad list what it was and why virtually all of ME2's cast got ignored and I don't want to hear any BS about how all of ME2's cast can die in the SM since Garrus and Tali seem to be exempt from that crappy excuse.

Lack of time and ressources to make all ME2 characters have a decent role and content in ME3. So they decided to focus on two characters, and logically they chose the most popular ones in order to avoid the complains of the most vocal fanbases. As a result, the other ME2 characters were expandable and they didn't waste time on them.

All ME2 should have got same treatment. Bioware will only have themselves to blame for the storm of abuse they are going to get post release for the lack of effort they've put into the squad and the squadmate system and the temps.

[Seishoujyo]

wright1978 wrote...

All ME2 should have got same treatment. Bioware will only have themselves to blame for the storm of abuse they are going to get post release for the lack of effort they've put into the squad and the squadmate system and the temps.

True.

Tali and Garrus are ME1 characters not ME2, well I consider them like that. Bioware should choose 2 real ME2 characters, like Thane, Miranda or Jacob or even Samara.

[android654]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Also regarding the colony scenario, I don't think just outside Council Space is far enough, at least not going by the impressions I got from this scenario. I think it would truly have to be off the grid. Hmm. Now I'm thinking of Bioshock...

Hello, I am the Illusive Man and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

"No" says the man on Earth "it belongs to the poor"
"No" says the man on Arcturus "it belongs to the Alliance"
"No" say the men on the Citadel "it belongs to everyone"

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose Cerberus.

A group where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be constrained by petty morallity, where the great would not be constrained by the small.

And with the sweat of your brow, Cerberus can be your organization too.

I'm not sure if he sounds like he ran Apreture in another life or if this ad is from a Cerberus set in the Fallout universe.

[Seishoujyo]

It's sounds like something from Bioshock 1, Atlas/Fontaine said something like that ^^

[husky husk]

android654 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Also regarding the colony scenario, I don't think just outside Council Space is far enough, at least not going by the impressions I got from this scenario. I think it would truly have to be off the grid. Hmm. Now I'm thinking of Bioshock...

Hello, I am the Illusive Man and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

"No" says the man on Earth "it belongs to the poor"
"No" says the man on Arcturus "it belongs to the Alliance"
"No" say the men on the Citadel "it belongs to everyone"

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose Cerberus.

A group where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be constrained by petty morallity, where the great would not be constrained by the small.

And with the sweat of your brow, Cerberus can be your organization too.

I'm not sure if he sounds like he ran Apreture in another life or if this ad is from a Cerberus set in the Fallout universe.

A MAN CHOOSES, AN ALIEN OBEYS!
edit:
it's from Bioshock said by Andrew Ryan


Fantastic game with one of the best plot twist ever.

Modifié par husky husk, 21 février 2012 - 08:52 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ironically I played Bioshock at the same time I was playing Mass Effect and it's partly because of the latter that I didn't go ape**** over it.

Still good games, both of them.

[D. Carmine]

wright1978 wrote...

kainee wrote...

Raizo wrote...

No, I would like to know. I would want them to explain what the hell they were thinking when they made the ME3 squad list what it was and why virtually all of ME2's cast got ignored and I don't want to hear any BS about how all of ME2's cast can die in the SM since Garrus and Tali seem to be exempt from that crappy excuse.

Lack of time and ressources to make all ME2 characters have a decent role and content in ME3. So they decided to focus on two characters, and logically they chose the most popular ones in order to avoid the complains of the most vocal fanbases. As a result, the other ME2 characters were expandable and they didn't waste time on them.

All ME2 should have got same treatment. Bioware will only have themselves to blame for the storm of abuse they are going to get post release for the lack of effort they've put into the squad and the squadmate system and the temps.

This, so much.

Ironically enough, the part I bolded is precisely the reason they aren't included (At least ,one of the reasons) on the ME3 squad. Weak argument is weak.

[D. Carmine]

CrutchCricket wrote...

kainee wrote...
We all know what this forum would look like if Miranda was a squadmate and not Tali.

Probably trolled by butthurt fans?

I like Tali too but she has a much higher proportion of "crazies" than other fanbases.

I wonder what dextro sweat tastes like...

/obligatory reference

[Dr. Doctor]

@ Cricket
Andrew Ryan is really what I want TIM to be like as a villain. He genuinely believes that he's doing what's best for humanity, but his beliefs come with unintended consequences.

On the subject of ME2, the suicide mission mechanic proved to be an interesting, if ineffective part of the series. Its harder to lose people on the mission than it is to get through without casualties. Counting DLC characters we have a dozen characters all with continuing story arcs, six of them being LI's. ME2 already appears to be pushing the limits of what Bioware can do in the writing department.

Granted, reduced quality of character development for a majority of ME2 characters is a disappointing prospect, but it isn't that game breaking.

[D. Carmine]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On the subject of ME2, the suicide mission mechanic proved to be an interesting, if ineffective part of the series. Its harder to lose people on the mission than it is to get through without casualties. Counting DLC characters we have a dozen characters all with continuing story arcs, six of them being LI's. ME2 already appears to be pushing the limits of what Bioware can do in the writing department.

I've already someone gone into this, but I go a little deeper.

While I like the idea of the suicide mission (Everyone can die, including the player, and it will be canon), I think it should have been done in ME3, since it's the end of the trilogy. Doing it mid-way serves no purpose other than complicating the next installment of the series (Thus sacrificing some quality) and pissing off fans of the newer characters, since they are, inevitably, going to get small and somewhat insignificant roles (Again, sacrificing quality).

That said, I don't think the 'dirty dozen" approach to ME2 was really necessary either. While I like almost all of the characters, there are a number (Almost half, actually) I can either do away with or merge together, and the story would retain fluidity. Samara, Thane, Kasumi, Zaeed, Garrus, Tali, and Jacob, namely.

All Bioware managed to do was shoot themselves in the foot, multiple times.

[wright1978]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

@ Cricket
Andrew Ryan is really what I want TIM to be like as a villain. He genuinely believes that he's doing what's best for humanity, but his beliefs come with unintended consequences.

On the subject of ME2, the suicide mission mechanic proved to be an interesting, if ineffective part of the series. Its harder to lose people on the mission than it is to get through without casualties. Counting DLC characters we have a dozen characters all with continuing story arcs, six of them being LI's. ME2 already appears to be pushing the limits of what Bioware can do in the writing department.

Granted, reduced quality of character development for a majority of ME2 characters is a disappointing prospect, but it isn't that game breaking.

I'll play the game before i judge if it is gamebreaking. Certainly think at the very least it is going to be pretty damaging and i think they could have handled it a lot better.

[D. Carmine]

wright1978 wrote...

I'll play the game before i judge if it is gamebreaking. Certainly think at the very least it is going to be pretty damaging and i think they could have handled it a lot better.

The best way to go about it. Granted, I think its quality is already diminished a bit (Just my opinion).

I agree with your other points.

[Ieldra]

Long time no Miranda picture.....



On the subject of team members: Bioware wrote themselves into a bind by creating twelve disposable team members for ME2. Even more, the whole concept of the story being more about the team than the main plot was a step in the wrong direction in the first place. What I find totally incredible is that they didn't see the problems that caused for ME3 coming from far away, given that they'd always planned for a trilogy.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 février 2012 - 10:04 .

[Dr. Doctor]

@Carmine

I agree that a SM would be more fitting for ME3, recruiting a team of the best soldiers, assassins, engineers, and scientists to take on the Reapers seems a lot cooler than going up against an army of zombie-bug people.

Right now, it seems like all the ME2 squad is going to do is put a familiar face to a few of the missions in the game. I.E on Sur'Kesh if Mordin died you get a replacement Salarian to take care of the mission with no real impact to the overall story.

[D. Carmine]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

@Carmine

Right now, it seems like all the ME2 squad is going to do is put a familiar face to a few of the missions in the game. I.E on Sur'Kesh if Mordin died you get a replacement Salarian to take care of the mission with no real impact to the overall story.

Precisely my point, especially considering that a a number of the ME2 characters had a lot of build-up as being very plot-heavy (Miranda, Mordin, and Legion ins particular), and every single one of them can be tossed away for their personal content in ME3.

I'm just curious how Bioware failed to notice this, since ME was planned as a trilogy from conception.

Modifié par D. Carmine, 21 février 2012 - 10:10 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Miranda's story isn't exactly fully fleshed out. We've got the personal side of her story, but what happens in that mission and what she contributes to the war effort (PM for information) doesn't quite match. So there's something we're not seeing.

[D. Carmine]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Miranda's story isn't exactly fully fleshed out. We've got the personal side of her story, but what happens in that mission and what she contributes to the war effort (PM for information) doesn't quite match. So there's something we're not seeing.

If you're talking to me, I was referring to ME2, not ME3. I already know about her role in ME3 and what it entails. 've known for a while now. I'm sorely disappointed. Her piece in ME3 doesn't flesh out much, it just continues what we learned in ME2.

[CrutchCricket]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

@ Cricket
Andrew Ryan is really what I want TIM to be like as a villain. He genuinely believes that he's doing what's best for humanity, but his beliefs come with unintended consequences.

On the subject of ME2, the suicide mission mechanic proved to be an interesting, if ineffective part of the series. Its harder to lose people on the mission than it is to get through without casualties. Counting DLC characters we have a dozen characters all with continuing story arcs, six of them being LI's. ME2 already appears to be pushing the limits of what Bioware can do in the writing department.

Granted, reduced quality of character development for a majority of ME2 characters is a disappointing prospect, but it isn't that game breaking.

It's debatable whether Ryan really was that much of a villain (at least as far as PC is concerned). Certainly some of the things we find out about him aren't all peachy. But he is a very compelling character. And I see so many paralells between him and TIM. It's a very good comparison.

As for the suicide mission, it's another dead horse really. Bioware themselves admitted it was a bad idea. That being said I really don't think it's as big a roadblock as people make it out to be. You already know how the big contributors can play out:
Miranda (and to a lesser extent Jacob)- Cerberus
Mordin-Genophage
Tali/Legion- Geth/Quarian

Since these issues need to be resolved (or at least addressed somewhat) they will happen whether it's the squadmates or a "Wreav"-replacement. As for the other ones, it's simply a matter of "if they're alive you see their stories concluded, and if not they're dead". As with a theoretical Miranda DLC no content is necessarily missed, invalidaded or otherwise locked by some unaccounted permutation. If you want to see how Kasumi's graybox plays out, keep her alive. If not, it's not there for you. And if they need to contribute something huge (Cerberus, quarian-geth etc) they each have their Wreavs.

No the real problem is starting 12 (or 10 really) fresh new arcs in the second installment and expecting to finish them well by the third. Sheer quantity is the prohibitive factor here.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 21 février 2012 - 10:29 .

[android654]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Miranda's story isn't exactly fully fleshed out. We've got the personal side of her story, but what happens in that mission and what she contributes to the war effort (PM for information) doesn't quite match. So there's something we're not seeing.

A lot of things don't add up, and it's not limited to Miranda, but to all of the ME2 members that got side lined. I'm curious how people will react to this once the game has been out and the reviews highlight this.

[D. Carmine]

android654 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Miranda's story isn't exactly fully fleshed out. We've got the personal side of her story, but what happens in that mission and what she contributes to the war effort (PM for information) doesn't quite match. So there's something we're not seeing.

A lot of things don't add up, and it's not limited to Miranda, but to all of the ME2 members that got side lined. I'm curious how people will react to this once the game has been out and the reviews highlight this.

Reviews probably won't touch up on it that much, except the obligatory "Some characters have larger roles than others".

Everywhere else though... Well...

S**tstorm incoming.