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[Ieldra]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
Would you guys want Miranda to join u in the final battle or would u prefer she stays behind to ensure her safety

Miranda would not stay behind, nor would any of my Shepards demand that from her. With her genetic modifications, she has a better chance of survival than most and she'd feel obligated to use her gifts to the fullest to make victory possible.

She might be most effective outside of open combat though. Though she's good in a fight, her main skills are technical and if there's any covert infiltration to be done in the course of the battle, she'd be the one most suited for that task. 

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

husky husk wrote...

What do I have to do to get those?

There are three sets of videos. Watch the first one, then do one (exactly one) mission or N7 assignment. Come back to the SB's base and watch the second set, do another mission or N7 assignment. Now if you come back you can watch the third set. The Miranda and Jacob scene is the last or second-to-last of that set.

Edit:
That means you need to do LotSB before the SM or leave some N7 assignments (or one N7 assignment plus Arrival) to play after the SM.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 février 2012 - 08:42 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
It might be a "I'll show you Shepard's body" look or it might be a "Let's find a quieter place" look.
One way or the other, it is not important. And that is actually a problem with the Dossiers and Video Archives. They are not important, there's maybe one or two interesting things among mundane stuff.
Bioware had a perfect opportunity to fill in holes, introduce interesting plotlines, etc. Instead, we learn how many cigars TIM smokes.

Yes, the dossiers have mostly inconsequential stuff that's supposed to be humorous. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. However, Miranda's infertility is far from inconsequential and not funny at all. It's made me think someone on the dev team must hate her, because everyone else gets these more or less funny tidbits you can ignore, only Miranda gets a serious problem. That, or someone had a really tasteless sense of humor.

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...

android654 wrote...
@MisterJB
But you get the fun of interpreting muted video how you like. I think Jacob comes by, says something related to security and tries to make a joke about it. It fails in a charming way and she suggests that he come by the examination wing, there's probably something he could secure there...

Like Miranda and Jacob getting it on in the storage locker. 

You know.....that's *exactly* what I thought would happen after the end of the footage.

@FifthFreedom:
We're talking about the SB's video logs. The scene in question takes place on Lazarus Station while Shepard was still being recontructed.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

Hmm....I like this composition. Her skill could use some refinement and the naive style is not for everyone, but nonetheless I think this piece has more artistic merit than most Miranda fanart I've seen.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 février 2012 - 09:10 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I'm telling you, a flamethrower is taken to any clone that doesn't make the standard. If Lawson's labs are in any way comparable to Okeer's (and I don't see why they wouldn't be) he has nothing to learn from imperfect clones. And the institution idea does not fly at all. Like no one's going to question why similar looking kids show up at their doors every couple of years? Or that Lawson's actually going to take the time and effort to cover his tracks for such a thing? Not hardly. Failures are disposed of as efficiently as possible.

That's open to interpretation. The position adopted by jtav in her fanfic that "Lawson" actually loved his daughters, only thought his cause was more important, and didn't want to kill the "failures" is as valid as any other. And - as I maintain from our earlier debate about villains - this would be much more interesting than someone who generally treats life with disregard including his own daughters.

As for the practicality of the institutionalizing, suppose he owns the facility and it's in a remote location.   

[FifthFeedom729]

Ieldra2 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

android654 wrote...
@MisterJB
But you get the fun of interpreting muted video how you like. I think Jacob comes by, says something related to security and tries to make a joke about it. It fails in a charming way and she suggests that he come by the examination wing, there's probably something he could secure there...

Like Miranda and Jacob getting it on in the storage locker. 

You know.....that's *exactly* what I thought would happen after the end of the footage.

@FifthFreedom:
We're talking about the SB's video logs. The scene in question takes place on Lazarus Station while Shepard was still being recontructed.

I'm aware.
I'm curious as to what led to think otherwise.

[JosephDucreux]

[ThomGau]

Interesting, I've never seen this video with Miranda and Jacob.

I don't know  wether or not they had sex. Maybe Miranda stopped their relationship from growing before it could get more serious and close, a bit like the first romance conversation with Shepard.
If they did have sex, to Miranda it was just a way of blowing of steam, to satiate her needs with very little feeling involved, not completely casual either because she knows him contrarily to the iPartners.
When she saw that Jacob wanted more, she thought it was time to stop "toying" with him. To me, this is what this video shows, I don't see Miranda sexually desirous in it, but it is definitely a private matter imo, something like " We need to talk ".

Yet again, I have to say I don't take this whole Shadow Broker thing into account, when I don't like something, I just ignore it.

Modifié par ThomGau, 22 février 2012 - 11:27 .

[Melra]

Friends with benefits, works always.

[ThomGau]

Melrache wrote...

Friends with benefits, works always.

It always works until one wants more than s/he can have.

[Melra]

ThomGau wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Friends with benefits, works always.

It always works until one wants more than s/he can have.

Yeah, though I at one point considered the possibility of Jacob finding out about Miri wanting children, which made him freak out. Typical in the real world, not sure why it couldn't be the way with Miri. Especially if Jacob acknowledged that he has commitment issues or simply hates the idea of having kids, because of his childhood, his "she deserves a better man than I" would make sense.

Though I guess we never know for certain, so any guess is probably just as good. Just not fan of the "MIRI WOULD NEVER SLEEP WITH SUCH GUY!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or... or, she'd at least never feel anything for him! She couldn't! SHE LOVES ME! I Mean... my Shepard!!"

[ThomGau]

Melrache wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Friends with benefits, works always.

It always works until one wants more than s/he can have.

Yeah, though I at one point considered the possibility of Jacob finding out about Miri wanting children, which made him freak out. Typical in the real world, not sure why it couldn't be the way with Miri. Especially if Jacob acknowledged that he has commitment issues or simply hates the idea of having kids, because of his childhood, his "she deserves a better man than I" would make sense.

Though I guess we never know for certain, so any guess is probably just as good. Just not fan of the "MIRI WOULD NEVER SLEEP WITH SUCH GUY!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or... or, she'd at least never feel anything for him! She couldn't! SHE LOVES ME! I Mean... my Shepard!!"

@Bold1 : I could definitely see Jacob doing that if he somehow finds out about that. However their relationship was far from being really serious so I don't think she would tell him neither about her desire to have kids nor her infertilty problem.
This hypothesis would be interesting for a fanfic imo.

@Bold2 : Agreed, and we are better off that way

@Bold3 : Indeed, it would be rather naive to strongly think so.

Modifié par ThomGau, 22 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[UserForFun]

Re; Miranda's War discussion ( Jacob discussion is... Pointless. Big deal, they had sex, that's what people do, ya'know? Apart from work. )

No matter from what point of view you gaze upon the conflict of Mass Effect 3, Miranda's -bound- to Shepard's team, from a logical point of view. 

As she left Cerberus, she no longer has ties to any organization, directly, atleast; Thus being part of Shepard's team is essential. No matter what kind of other activities, or even personal problems, such as Oriana, she's well aware that if Shepard fails ( Who's the only individual capable to rally the Galaxy, or even the only one who truly acknowledge the threat ) then everything else will cease to be.

All of the characters in Mass Effect 2, have purpose/ties -- Grunt to the Krogan, Mordin to Salarians/Krogan, Samara's oath faded to Shepard, and her purpose is to root injustice, not too fight wars, Jacob, even if he quits Cerberus, still has the Alliance, Thane is possible dead? If not, protecting the only thing he has left in the world, his son, Jack is... Jack, no comment needed, Zaeed/Kasumi contract is done, Legion's a Geth, and so on..

Miranda's entire existence '' relied '', or specifically revolved around Cerberus -- She isn't Jacob, to had a life before as an Alliance. The only other attachment is too Oriana, and as I've mentioned above, she is capable to recognizes that her efforts would only delay the inevitable, ultimately ending in her sister's death, if the War fails. ( Obviously that would mean that she can dedicate a small portion of time to provide a '' safe '' relocation for the time being.... But that doesn't make sense either, between Mass Effect 2-3, there's a bit of time, time she had to reallocate her sister, knowing that Cerberus might be after Oriana due to her resignation )

Anything less but her direct participation within the War, is a tremendously large, crater-sized plot-hole for Miranda, as a character, and it will pretty much assure '' the final nail in her coffin '' from my point of view.


Of course, my points could be nullified by Bioware stating she battles in the background, for which I'll reply, how? And with who'm? The remains of Lazarus Project, which could potentially be dead if Shepard doesn't rescue em in time, or not send a body-guard?
Even assuming they survived, most of them stated clearly they want to '' retire '' back on Earth, plus + They're hardly too competent.

Modifié par UserForFun, 22 février 2012 - 12:18 .

[Ieldra]

FifthFeedom729 wrote...
I'm aware.
I'm curious as to what led to think otherwise.

Your sentence "I thought their relationship was over by that point in the game." two pages back. The context is a little different in hindsight. Sorry.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

Melrache wrote...
Friends with benefits, works always.

It always works until one wants more than s/he can have.

Yeah, though I at one point considered the possibility of Jacob finding out about Miri wanting children, which made him freak out. Typical in the real world, not sure why it couldn't be the way with Miri. Especially if Jacob acknowledged that he has commitment issues or simply hates the idea of having kids, because of his childhood, his "she deserves a better man than I" would make sense.

Though I guess we never know for certain, so any guess is probably just as good. Just not fan of the "MIRI WOULD NEVER SLEEP WITH SUCH GUY!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or... or, she'd at least never feel anything for him! She couldn't! SHE LOVES ME! I Mean... my Shepard!!"

:lol:
You sum up the attitude of some people nicely.

[Ieldra]

UserForFun wrote...
Re; Miranda's War discussion

*good reasoning snipped*

Anything less but her direct participation within the War, is a tremendously large, crater-sized plot-hole for Miranda, as a character, and it will pretty much assure '' the final nail in her coffin '' from my point of view.

Well....that's what we've all been saying, in some word or other, for the last three months.

Of course, my points could be nullified by Bioware stating she battles in the background, for which I'll reply, how? And with who'm? The remains of Lazarus Project, which could potentially be dead if Shepard doesn't rescue em in time, or not send a body-guard?
Even assuming they survived, most of them stated clearly they want to '' retire '' back on Earth, plus + They're hardly too competent.

I find it rather more important for the game to show us evidence that the war is in her mind and she thinks about how she can contribute. Not taking part could have any number of reasons, if they're good enough I'll be able to live with it because that doesn't necessarily reflect badly on her character. But the big picture not being on her mind, that would be inexcusable.

Also, she will take part. The question is how much will she be allowed to contribute, and how much of that we'll see.

[wright1978]

ThomGau wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Friends with benefits, works always.

It always works until one wants more than s/he can have.

That's always my interpretation of the Jacob-Miranda thing. Casual sex that Miranda ended because it was clear Jacob wanted more out of the relationship than that.

[UserForFun]

Re; Well....that's what we've all been saying, in some word or other, for the last three months. 

Sorry, but I check only what's discussed in past few pages, and noticed a subject of discussion, specifically her role within the war to be interesting, thus I jumped in, clueless.

Is hard to keep hard of such an overwhelming topic, too much information.. Perhaps I should ask Legion for a hardware upgrade.


Re; Not taking part could have any number of reasons, if they're good enough I'll be able to live with it because that doesn't necessarily reflect badly on her character

No organizations to back her up, limited resources, tremendous amount of contacts ( But none trustworthy, nor self-sacrificing to devout resources/lives to the overall war, thus meaningless. ) 

It will be very hard, to contribute, alone, atleast --  What can you do against Massive Dreadnaugths? Take the role of a cannon-fodder to defend against Husks? It's a waste of time ( Due to knowing, the Reapers are the real threat ) and is a waste of her skills, which she knows as well, thus it is against her personality/character so far presented.

Truth be told, let's be realistic -- Only way she can contribute, ( Apart from being part of Shepard's team ) is to seize control of her father's Corporation, but then again, I speculate that her father's ''empire'' is a business company, not a military organization ( Perhaps a private security force? Possible, but it is a trivial contribution, nevertheless. 

Fund Shepard's efforts? Definitely, there's a lot of Trading when one System is obliterated after another. ( Sarcasm )
So... Only other scenario, is something that's pops out of air, and that's... Bad writing.

Modifié par UserForFun, 22 février 2012 - 12:58 .

[Jynthor]

I just thought Miranda and Jacob had a chat, considering she was the head of Lazarus, he the head of security and they knew each other.

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...
That's always my interpretation of the Jacob-Miranda thing. Casual sex that Miranda ended because it was clear Jacob wanted more out of the relationship than that.

Something like that, probably. Though I think she cares about him. Her actions regarding Jacob's LM show that. I just think she lost interest. It happens. Overall her dialogue with Jacob tends to be rather condescending.

[Ieldra]

@UserForFun:
No, there's something quite obvious that Miranda can do:

(1) Before the final battle, use her knowledge of Cerberus to help undermine them and give Shepard critical information. Infiltrate facilities to gather vital intelligence.

(2) For the final battle, take control of what remains of Cerberus and turn it against the Reapers. There should be enough "Cerberus Renegades" out there who would want to do that, but don't have enough background knowledge to assume Leadership. I'd assume that the likes of General Petrovsky wouldn't be averse to working with her.

[FifthFeedom729]

UserForFun wrote...

No organizations to back her up, limited resources, tremendous amount of contacts ( But none trustworthy, nor self-sacrificing to devout resources/lives to the overall war, thus meaningless. ) 

Maybe she will be working for the new shadow broker, using Liara's resources to help the war effort or something...
I mean the shadow brokers the only thing really left that has the capability of Cerberus. Well that and maybe the Alliance.

[UserForFun]

Re; Ieldra,

I've thought about that possibility, but then I remembered -- Cerberus's chain of command is structured on different cells, one cannot recognize another, that's the main layer of defence Cerberus has.

Thus, Miranda's pool of knowledge would be limited, at best, and inaccurate at worst, due to Cerberus constantly altering the location of their facilities.

Re; FifthFreedom,
It sounds reasonable in theory, but is nevertheless meaningless and waste of her skills. Shadow Broker = Massive collection of information that is constantly juggled, if Shepard would like to '' surf '' this database for information, EDI would be more efficient and faster, rather than Miranda, who's after all an Organic. 

Modifié par UserForFun, 22 février 2012 - 01:28 .

[FifthFeedom729]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@UserForFun:
No, there's something quite obvious that Miranda can do:

(1) Before the final battle, use her knowledge of Cerberus to help undermine them and give Shepard critical information. Infiltrate facilities to gather vital intelligence.

(2) For the final battle, take control of what remains of Cerberus and turn it against the Reapers. There should be enough "Cerberus Renegades" out there who would want to do that, but don't have enough background knowledge to assume Leadership. I'd assume that the likes of General Petrovsky wouldn't be averse to working with her.

o yeah I kinda forgot about that, opps. That's better than working for Liara. (no offence to Liara but her taking control of what's left of Cerberus  is a better more fitting end for her)