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[android654]

Jynthor wrote...

I just thought Miranda and Jacob had a chat, considering she was the head of Lazarus, he the head of security and they knew each other.

They did have a chat. A chat about which places in the station were less frquented by the other crew members so they could have an hour or two undisturbed.

I find it funny some people would argue that Miranda doesn't treat sex casually or doesn't have a lengthy list of partners. Both are equally ridiculous.

[flemm]

UserForFun wrote...
Thus, Miranda's pool of knowledge would be limited, at best, and inaccurate at worst, due to Cerberus constantly altering the location of their facilities.

I disagree, though not in the absolute sense. It's fiction, so one could write the story a number of different ways, i.e. if a writer wanted to create a situation where Miranda knew nothing and could do nothing, that would be possible, obviously (as it would be for any character).

However, if a writer wanted to create the opposite situation, that would also be easy. Cerberus may operate in cells, but Miranda is highly placed in the organisation, has numerous contacts even outside of Cerberus, but undoubtedly also within, is extremely intelligent and could doubtless find out a lot of things that she wasn't "supposed" to know, either before leaving the organisation, or after. Not to mention that any renegade Cerberus splinter cells would be actively looking for leadership, and she would be the logical choice.

So, really, I think it's just a question of whether the writers want to go there or not. Obviously, I think they should. It's always been the best/most logical choice for Miranda, which is why it gets brought up all time (and not just by thread regulars). In fact, Miranda's natural story arc is clearer in this sense than it is for most (all?) of the returning squad members.

Modifié par flemm, 22 février 2012 - 01:34 .

[FifthFeedom729]

UserForFun wrote...

Re; Ieldra,

I've thought about that possibility, but then I remembered -- Cerberus's chain of command is structured on different cells, one cannot recognize another, that's the main layer of defence Cerberus has.

Thus, Miranda's pool of knowledge would be limited, at best, and inaccurate at worst, due to Cerberus constantly altering the location of their facilities.

All that would have to be done is find Tim. More specifically, Shepard find tim, bring Lawson along for the ride kill the Tim and all the files you need about other cells are in that nice office of his.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
That's open to interpretation. The position adopted by jtav in her fanfic that "Lawson" actually loved his daughters, only thought his cause was more important, and didn't want to kill the "failures" is as valid as any other. And - as I maintain from our earlier debate about villains - this would be much more interesting than someone who generally treats life with disregard including his own daughters.

As for the practicality of the institutionalizing, suppose he owns the facility and it's in a remote location.   

Well to be fair I'm imagining the "failures" as actual failures (i.e didn't end up fully human, would live in pain for their entire lives etc) as opposed to simply not being perfect. So again more Alien Resurrection than Okeer's rejects. Such things would not incur love even from a "benevolent Lawson" (whatever that is).

Still, I would argue the parallels to Okeer work against this interpretation. "I was the first one he kept"- how long did he keep the other ones for? I doubt he raised them for years before discarding them. It sounds more like Okeer- he cloned them, it didn't work out, he disposed of them. Even if they didn't come out freaks he's more likely to treat them as "material", to be purged. You don't develop feelings for that sort of thing. And finally I'm sticking to my Viktor analogies where he loves his daughter but can and will kill her if the situation calls for it.

As for owning an institution, that's still more effort than I would credit him with. Any such institution would still need to have staff that would need to be monitored lest one of them gets too involved with a clone and decides to "rescue" it. Or even more simply decides to blab while on vacation. No, it's too convoluted. Particularly when killing is the more efficient option bar none.

[jtav]

Since we're discussing Portrait, here's what happens with Robert Eldfell.

--Robert is sterile, so he decides to grow his own kid. But he believes he has an obligation to humanity, he decides to create a superkid who can function as humanity's next hero.
--The first two have spina bifida and Down's. Clearly, they can't be the heir he seeks, But he's "not a monster" who'll murder his own children. He just leaves them to rot without the support that could see them have some kind of life.
--Miranda is created. Success! Then he hears of a way to make someone a biotic without in-utero eezo exposure and subjects Miranda to a dangerous surgery. Miranda is nearly killed and left with chronic pain. But Miranda perseveres despite her limitations. Robert regards her as his true heir and deliberately drove her to Cerberus. Unfortunately, he never counted on her taking Oriana. He's desperately trying to get her back so he can undo the "harmful" conditioning of a normal family.

[Errol Dnamyx]

android654 wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

I just thought Miranda and Jacob had a chat, considering she was the head of Lazarus, he the head of security and they knew each other.

They did have a chat. A chat about which places in the station were less frquented by the other crew members so they could have an hour or two undisturbed.

I find it funny some people would argue that Miranda doesn't treat sex casually or doesn't have a lengthy list of partners. Both are equally ridiculous.

Newsflash:
Your interpretation of Mirandas character and her past isn't more right than everyone elses.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 22 février 2012 - 02:41 .

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Since we're discussing Portrait, here's what happens with Robert Eldfell.

--Robert is sterile, so he decides to grow his own kid. But he believes he has an obligation to humanity, he decides to create a superkid who can function as humanity's next hero.
--The first two have spina bifida and Down's. Clearly, they can't be the heir he seeks, But he's "not a monster" who'll murder his own children. He just leaves them to rot without the support that could see them have some kind of life.
--Miranda is created. Success! Then he hears of a way to make someone a biotic without in-utero eezo exposure and subjects Miranda to a dangerous surgery. Miranda is nearly killed and left with chronic pain. But Miranda perseveres despite her limitations. Robert regards her as his true heir and deliberately drove her to Cerberus. Unfortunately, he never counted on her taking Oriana. He's desperately trying to get her back so he can undo the "harmful" conditioning of a normal family.

lol @ the underlined being in the same paragraph. Bonus points for one after the other.
I'm surprised how you even set up euthenasia as a possible justification and still don't use it. But to each his own.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@jtav
Sounds like a father of the year type guy

[Ieldra]

UserForFun wrote...
Re; Ieldra,

I've thought about that possibility, but then I remembered -- Cerberus's chain of command is structured on different cells, one cannot recognize another, that's the main layer of defence Cerberus has.

Thus, Miranda's pool of knowledge would be limited, at best, and inaccurate at worst, due to Cerberus constantly altering the location of their facilities.

Apparently she has been retroactively promoted to Cerberus' second-in-command. I'd say she knows rather more than a simple cell leader.

[jtav]

Because I'm one of those "defectives" and it's institutionalization that hangs over my head, not euthanasia. And Robert insisting he's a compassionate man who would never harm his children is insane, but frightfully rational.

[The Tesla Effect]

MisterJB wrote...

Epic is epic.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Because I'm one of those "defectives" and it's institutionalization that hangs over my head, not euthanasia. And Robert insisting he's a compassionate man who would never harm his children is insane, but frightfully rational.

Underlined: is this really about yourself in RL?

It's not my place to comment on that. But about the character of Lawson, I will say brutal efficiency in the pursuit of his goals makes for a more fascinating read than deranged genius (relating back to earlier discussions with Ieldra regarding interesting villains) and it would be more in character for the former to simply dispose of unwanted product as efficiently as possible.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

husky husk wrote...

What do I have to do to get those?

There are three sets of videos. Watch the first one, then do one (exactly one) mission or N7 assignment. Come back to the SB's base and watch the second set, do another mission or N7 assignment. Now if you come back you can watch the third set. The Miranda and Jacob scene is the last or second-to-last of that set.

Edit:
That means you need to do LotSB before the SM or leave some N7 assignments (or one N7 assignment plus Arrival) to play after the SM.

But I did every N7 Mission, and Overlord. I'm saving LOTSB after the SM. After the SM, I only have to Missions left which serve as the Epilogue. I won't distort the way I roleplay.

[android654]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

android654 wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

I just thought Miranda and Jacob had a chat, considering she was the head of Lazarus, he the head of security and they knew each other.

They did have a chat. A chat about which places in the station were less frquented by the other crew members so they could have an hour or two undisturbed.

I find it funny some people would argue that Miranda doesn't treat sex casually or doesn't have a lengthy list of partners. Both are equally ridiculous.

Newsflash:
Your interpretation of Mirandas character and her past isn't more right than everyone elses.

If you deny what's established for the character, like her attitude, personality and interaction with other people only to serve your fantasy of that character then it's no longer interpretation. At that point you're imagining an entirely different character.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

*snip*

I think this piece has more artistic merit than most Miranda fanart I've seen.  

Gee, thanks. As if going through DAYS of tough work with a MOUSE  
wasn't hard enough. <_<<_<



I'm proud of my Drawing here.

Intead of focusing the Christmas Holiday, I spent days working on this for hours, morning, noon, and night with a mouse, because I could not afford a drawing pad.

Why do you continuously expect a Renaissance Masterpiece all the time? 

You constantly look for accuracies as if I'm an actually artist for BioWare. I'm not!

I draw because I love to draw. There has to be SOMETHING you like about this drawing......or does it not meet your standards.....? <_<

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 février 2012 - 03:13 .

[Melra]

Oooookey.... Awkwardness alert.

[android654]

Melrache wrote...

Oooookey.... Awkwardness alert.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Melrache I love your profile photo

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Melrache wrote...

Oooookey.... Awkwardness alert.

Stop being a douche.

For months you've been treating me like dirt.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 février 2012 - 03:21 .

[CrutchCricket]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Melrache I love your profile photo

2nd'd:D

[Jynthor]

101, I have rather high standards of art work but when I say I don't like art work it isn't a personal attack, as an artist you need to know how to deal with criticism.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Luis your art is great you shouldn't care what everyone thinks

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Art work comes here and everyone praises it; I show mine and most stay silent.....

[CrutchCricket]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Art work comes here and everyone praises it; I show mine and most stay silent.....

Maybe they're following the old adage of "if you have nothing nice to say..."

And you don't seem the type to take criticism fairly well.

Just wild guesses.

[Melra]

You're acting like a child, so of course I treat you like one. I am not saying your art is bad, it's better than many of the ones I've seen. You really shouldn't be in here, if you're so touchy.

Modifié par Melrache, 22 février 2012 - 03:30 .