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[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Surely the game could differentiate between "default dead" and "imported dead". I don't think I'm convinced the "might be dead" thing is an excuse for anything anymore.

Not saying it's an excuse. But, there is some precedent for returning "might be dead" characters to be only available on import (Wreav/Wrex).

I could see that affecting achievements and such.

Modifié par flemm, 23 février 2012 - 04:32 .

[CrutchCricket]

Yeah but I'm saying there's no reason it should affect achievements. It's a simple matter to set a import/default flag.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Yeah but I'm saying there's no reason it should affect achievements. It's a simple matter to set a import/default flag.

As far as how it's actually designed in the game, your guess is as good as mine, obviously.

Modifié par flemm, 23 février 2012 - 04:36 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Thane's is doomed outright. Jacob, I'm not sure, but at the very least his romance can be screwed up pretty easily. Which leaves Miranda and Jack. Haven't investigated Jack's too thoroughly, but Miranda's appears functional as of the endgame. It does appear, however, that them staying together will come at a horrible price that includes her relationship with Oriana. If Miranda survives the endgame.

I still fear that Miranda will end up as ME's Morrigan. Just because someone at Bioware thinks there should be such a thing and they wouldn't do it to their precious favorites. I liked it in DAO, but once in a decade is enough of that and I don't want it to happen to Miranda.

[jtav]

There's some indication you can start a new romance with Tali, and it's always possible they cut Samantha (ME doesn't lack for f/f) or got her and Diana mixed up. So this may simply be "able to be romanced in ME3." I don't think Miranda's romance is any more doomed than Tali's, and perhaps less so. The sadistic choice at the end falls on everyone alike.

[Milan92]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Miri is Perfect for Shepard. Look at the the Romance Build Up and the Love Scene: They are more in depth than the others, more connection. Besides, the Love Scene is longer than the one for the others, as if BioWare put more Effort in Miri than the other LIs in ME2, which is EXTREMELY OK with me because Miri is My Shepard's Number One Gal<3.

And every other VS., Liara, Tali fan is EXTREMLY OK with the fact that their LI has more screentime and romance then Miranda right now in ME 3.

[Avy DiSartori]

my theory is that: characters that can't be romanced in ME3 without the import don't have the paramour achievement.. because you already got the achievement in ME 2.. The only flaw of this theory is that Samantha seems to have the same problem, even though she is a new LI... ME1 characters still have the achievement because players can choose to start the romance in ME3..

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ Well that's because BioWare became sadistic and turned the tables on us.

In a way it is as if BioWare is telling us, "The Liara and VS Fans suffered in ME2. Now it is your turn to suffer in ME3. Enjoy seeing those fans happy, while you are left with....nothing. Sorry, but those fans demand it and we will do ANYTHING they want. Business is business.:devil:"

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 février 2012 - 04:42 .

[Milan92]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ Well that's because BioWare became sadistic and turned the tables on us.

In a way it is as if BioWare is telling us, "The Liara and VS Fans suffered in ME2. Now it is your turn to suffer in ME3. Enjoy seeing those fans happy, while you are left with....nothing. Sorry, but those fans demand it and we will do ANYTHING they want. Business is business.:devil:"

Yeah life sucks, I know.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Why did BioWare do this for? Just because we're Alliance again, doesn't mean we HAVE to be stuck with the ME1 Characters. Why can't they leave. They weren't supposed to be permanent.

@ Raven. Just because you're going to be happy with your Ashley, doesn't mean you have to gloat. Quit being a douche.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 février 2012 - 04:54 .

[Milan92]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
@ Raven. Just because you're going to be happy with your Ashley, doesn't mean you have to gloat. Quit being a douche.

Right now your just as much a douche as I am. You just don't see it.

[CrutchCricket]

You're making this sound too complicated. It's really not. The paramour achievement as I understand it is awarded for completing a full romance within the confines of the game. So actually default/import doesn't even matter. If a character's dead, you're not getting the paramour off them (duh). If the character is not romanceable in ME3 without being romanced before (something already accounted for in imports) you don't get the achievement either if you didn't romance them before, something which is automatically cut off from default playthroughs. I see no reason why there needs to be any structural changes to the paramour system. So why the confusion?

[enayasoul]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I really hope the ME3 romance isn't one sided. I want a more emotional Shepard at least with Miranda. I would like him to show more love, care, and affection with Miranda.

Yes! 

[redBadger14]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

If you wanna know, the true romaces are: Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, Cortez and Diana.

Why?! What the **** gives BioWare the ****ing right to screw us over with NOTHING?!<_<

I was reading through the thread, ran into this, and I have to say something because it's really bugging me.

I don't think you realize how self-centered you are being. What right does BioWare have? Oh I don't know, maybe the fact that they are making the game in the first place, not you. That, and as a fan of both Ashley *and* Miranda, this is totally acceptable. Lets face it, Ashley and Kaidan fans were "screwed" over in ME2 with their romances. But, in hindsight, it was for story reasons, and just so why there quite possibly will be a lack of a "sex" scene in ME3 for Miranda. The story is the way it is, and it makes no sense to place a sex scene in the game for Miranda when it realistically is not possible. They do however have a make-out scene of sorts, and that can be just as powerful as a sex scene, if done right. You begging for a sex scene in the game for Miranda and practically crying about it is borderline disgusting. Have some semblance of maturity man. 

The "true romances" are the squaddies from ME1 with exception to Wrex, and this is simply because they were in the very first game. You couldn't romance Garrus or Tali, but since they were squaddies in ME2 they are essentially carried over as "true romances."

The way the story pans out, it would seem that BioWare is rewarding fans of the whole trilogy; those who played the first game when it first came out. I am totally fine with this, being someone who has romanced both Ashley and Miranda. Stop being so pessimistic and be a little optimistic for crying out loud. It may not be the best circumstance sure. But be considerate that BioWare is implementing a romance for a character who may not be a squaddie, and the fact that they are the ones writing the canon.

And let me be clear that you can believe what you want to believe. All I am saying is be a little more respectable to the team that wrote this whole story, all the characters, and is bringing the final chapter in this story to us. Canon is determined by Casey Hudson's team of writers, and I think Casey Hudson and his team deserve at least that much respect.

[jtav]

Basically, the non-squad romances seem to function like the ME1 romances did in ME2. They're there, and Liara's is substantial, but you don't get an achievement for staring at the photo.

As for a future, it seems from the leak that Miranda is no more doomed than Ash.

However, I'd disagree that we owe the devs anything beyond common courtesy (no repeats of the Heplar incident, guys). If I find Miranda's romance unsatisfying and the ME1 favortism galling, I will say so. If I feel I ir a few other writers I know could have done better, I will say so. And hopefully proceed to back that up.

Modifié par jtav, 23 février 2012 - 05:20 .

[redBadger14]

jtav wrote...

Basically, the non-squad romances seem to function like the ME1 romances did in ME2. They're there, and Liara's is substantial, but you don't get an achievement for staring at the photo.

As for a future, it seems from the leak that Miranda is no more doomed than Ash.

Exactly. So, either way, the romances will have similar but different endings. All in fairness.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...


As for a future, it seems from the leak that Miranda is no more doomed than Ash.

What do you mean? 

I'm at least happy we get to see Miri on the Citadel after Mars.

[Skullheart]

So, will there be mass effect 4 where we can continue the story with all the characters who are being shafted in ME3? the answer is NO.

[jtav]

I mean that the final choice is going to affect everyone equally.

[redBadger14]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

jtav wrote...


As for a future, it seems from the leak that Miranda is no more doomed than Ash.

What do you mean? 

I'm at least happy we get to see Miri on the Citadel after Mars.

jtav means that no matter how different the romances may be or what kind of, what you define as "preferential treatment," some LI's get over others, they will all likely have a similar outcome.

So that way it is fair to all the LI's.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't know if it makes sense to make a "Post Game" DLC. Maybe, Maybe not. If BioWare creates a DLC for us, I hope it's good.

[redBadger14]

As long as the post-game DLC is lengthy for the price, and overall a good piece of DLC, I don't mind at all.

Edit: Also, depends on what you mean by post-game DLC.

Modifié par redBadger14, 23 février 2012 - 05:31 .

[jtav]

Let me state my own feelings on the matter as clearly and politely as I can:

I find the fact that the squad is four ME1 characters plus three new people galling. The only character in that group I like is Kaidan. Not talking to my ME1 squad is very doable. It would be unthinkable for me to do that in ME2. So, I find myself hoping I can connect to the new people and find it deeply unfair I'm being punished for preferring Miranda and Legion to Tali and Liara. And yes, I started with ME1,

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

redBadger14 wrote...

As long as the post-game DLC is lengthy for the price, and overall a good piece of DLC, I don't mind at all.

Edit: Also, depends on what you mean by post-game DLC.

After the ending.