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[Ieldra]

ViSeirA wrote...
Miranda helping us taking down Cerberus is basically a given, how she does that and to what extent can go in wildly different directions, what I don't want is for her to be reduced to an extra squad member just like Garrus in ME2, he was there for the sake of being there.

Judging by the size of the Cerberus plot in ME3 I'd say it's safe to assume we'll get a fair amount of interaction with Miranda but if that's all we're gonna get then I'm gonna be disappointed, I want real invlovement in taking the reapers down, if she doesn't have to be on the Normandy for that I won't mind, your scenario is actually pretty good but I'd love for her to take over Cerberus by her own decision, not Shepard's... in any case she always leaves at a certain point then comes back at the end.

Basically I agree that it should be her decision - if this was a written story. But it's a game made around Shepard's decisions, so I think it should be her idea, but Shepard should be able to either agree to take over and repurpose Cerberus or to convince her that it's better to destroy it completely. I agree with the rest of what you said.

[lawp79]

Howdy folks, after a forum break of a month or so (avoiding spoilers) one question has dragged my sleepy head in here this morning. Any official news on Miranda yet?

[Jebel Krong]

nope.

[Ieldra]

KamikazeShepard wrote...
Quick question about Miranda. In her long history with Cerberus, there have been good cells and bad cells. From what we've seen, Miranda is usually in the good cells, but we don't know everything about her history with Cerberus. Do you think Miranda has done evil things like experiment on people and kidnap kids?

I think Miranda has done things like using drugs in interrogations, torture of enemy agents, assassinations and suchlike. As for experimenting on people without their consent, there's a wide range of that, ranging from the mildly disagreeable to the monstrous. I think her attitude would be somewhat like Mordin's - usually there are less problematic methods to test substances for all but the final phase of a series of experiments. She'd be willing to experiment on unwilling people to a certain extent, but would stop at children, anything with a significant risk of death or permanent damage to innocents, or anything akin to torturing innocents.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

I don't think she was a scientist. Wilson is explicitly chief medical tech. Miranda also never mentions scientific training and drops the research periodical ASAP. She's a Jacob's handler in Galaxy, providing him with leads and evaluating him as a candidate for recruitment. Her passive description mentions a skill at coordinating fireteams. We have far more evidence that she's some kind of field agent than a scientist.

wilson was chief medical tech, but miranda was project leader. the research periodical thing is totally incidental, and from a questionable source to base your reasoning on (the dossiers) - there could be many natural reasons to drop a periodical, even for a scientist - the very fact that she subscribed indicates scientific interest, which i'd say is heavier leaning towards science/scientific research, not less.

personally i think she's just a typical polymath, she's not a frontline soldier, but i can readily imagine that TIM's definition of "most difficult assignments" ran the gamut of science projects to infiltration/assassination.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 07 juillet 2011 - 08:17 .

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
@Ieldra, you don't like LuxDragon's shep/miranda pairing?

I wouldn't go that far as to say that I don't like it.

But I have one big complaint about the writing: use of gameplay terms as if they actually meant anything in the world. You know, in-world no one ever actually does things like "use <power>". That's a metagaming term to simplify things for players or designers when they talk about gameplay. Nonetheless that's exactly how LuxDragon writes about biotic powers, even to the point of capitalizing them as if they were names from in an RPG ruleset.
The same applies to the use of complete equipment names. If there isn't a specific reason for the exact name being important, characters would usually just refer to an item by the generic term like "gun" or whichever piece of equipment it was, or an abbreviated version of the name like "the Cain". After its introduction, no one would ever refer to it by "M920 Cain", and a recon hood is no Recon Hood outside of technical specs and ruleset talk, if you get what I mean.    

I guess the intention is to ground the story more in the ME universe, but in fact it does just the opposite: where metagaming terms are used,  "Fight for the Lost" reads game-ish, not like a story taking place in a real universe. I've told him exactly that several times, in a review of his first chapters as well as in PM exchanges. Apparently this is how he wants to write it, but I don't have to like it.

One more thing: as this is a novelization of ME2's story, it inherits one of its flaws: the lack of focus. LuxDragon attempts to give it a red line with some long-term developments like Shepard's biotics, and that works to some extent, but it's not enough to draw the whole story in.

Having said that, I admire his persistence in writing a novel-length fanfic, the writing isn't so bad apart from the flaws mentioned, and - no small feat - he manages to keep everyone reasonably in-character.

There are quite a few fanfics I definitely do not like, but "Fight for the Lost" is not one of them. I just don't like it enough to count it among my favorites.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 juillet 2011 - 08:49 .

[Ieldra]

As for the "scientist vs field agent" debate:

As Mordin shows, you can be both. And Miranda is.

I think Miranda was never the typical research scientist who spent her time mostly in labs or on conferences. But her very hands-on involvement in the Lazarus project indicates that she knew what Wilson was doing, to the point of being able to override his recommendations. That indicates an in-depth knowledge, which together with her ability to learn fast, might equal a doctorate even if she never had any formal education.

Nonetheless, her abilities would be wasted in a lab. She has superior coordination and agility, heals faster than normal *and* learns fast. On top of all that she's beautiful. That makes her particularly useful for missions where all is required: the more physical and social skills of a field agent and scientific expertise. Infiltration of scientific institutions and corporations in order to steal their secrets, finding out if they could be of use in Cerberus's cause of advancing humanity, that would be one possible job profile. She would have to keep up with current trends in science and technology all over the galaxy and who was involved in them. She'd also need field agent skills for more tactical operations or some classic breaking-and-entering, as well as dealing with possibly competition.

[Knight3000]

Miranda has to return... in me2 i only had my way with her in the engine room, still plenty of rooms to defile

[Ieldra]

Knight3000 wrote...
Miranda has to return... in me2 i only had my way with her in the engine room, still plenty of rooms to defile

Having sex with Miranda is more of a consecration than a defilement

[Arijharn]

I think if a trained professional is talking to another 'professional' (or self-described professional, aka an enthusiast who knows what the hell they're talking about) then they would use more descriptive words rather than just 'gun'. They might not use it all the time, but I think they'd use a bit more letters and words etc, etc... for all we know for example an M8 Avenger rifle could have 3 different variants, an M8-A might be stock, a M8-GL could have a grenade launcher attachment and a M8-C could have different 'slug' settings (i.e., a choice between 'nato' round equivalent or something else).

[Arijharn]

Repearized Miranda wrote...


He wasn't overtly emotional, but maybe he was directed that way as opposed to his counter part.

Mark and Jennifer were directed to be neutral. Consider how many dialogue options there are; factor in how many days of recording they'll have to go through (add any re-recordings due to script rewrites etc) and couple this with how many variances in scene there could be.

If paragon and renegade are too much at extremes in terms of emotional content, then the scene wouldn't 'gel' because Shephard would sound and act bipolar. Scenes with Shephard being actually emotional are very few and far between... the only exceptions I can think of is back on the Normandy when talking to Liara after Shadow Broker, and when Shephard is smacking around Dr. Gavin Archer.

If generally speaking, paragon's are 'nice guys', and renegade's a 'jerk faces', then overall a scene could suffer because Mark and/or Jennifer would be putting too much 'emotion' into each scene, and it'd be exacerbated if the player should mix his/her reply's between them (or even the neutral option).

[MisterJB]

Shotokanguy wrote...

This isn't the first time today I've seen discussion of what sort of things Miranda may have done in the past for Cerberus.

I think this is a discussion I'd like to have with her now. I imagine it would fit well in a discussion of the things Shepard may have done or may do.

There's no point. Shepard either trusts Miranda or he doesn't. If he does not, then they shouldn't be together in the first place. And if he does,then there's no need to know what she did for Cerberus since he has already seen what she is like.

[Sebby]

It's indeed a direction issue, Mark Meer does an excellent job of voicing the Vorcha and the Biotic God.

[O Tucker]

As Mass Effect the movie is going to be at comic con i justed liked this picture that came with the info

Also Notice that Miranda and Garrus are of the centre of this band of Brothers ( also Miranda and Garrus is my favourite combo )

http://www.gamersspo...s&news_id=88128

[goofyomnivore]

KamikazeShepard wrote...
Quick question about Miranda. In her long history with Cerberus, there have been good cells and bad cells. From what we've seen, Miranda is usually in the good cells, but we don't know everything about her history with Cerberus. Do you think Miranda has done evil things like experiment on people and kidnap kids?

I think she has done assassination/murder, theft, and questionable experiments for sure. I don't think she would of done unecessary torture/harm or kidnapping children. I believe she wasn't motivated by malice, and she believed she was doing a good thing when she carried out her orders.

Modifié par strive, 07 juillet 2011 - 10:28 .

[LuxDragon]

@Ieldra2:

Meh, can't please everyone and you're the only reviewer that complained about it.

Some things acutally need labels. If you think it's too gamish, then that's that. But to me, calling some things guns or armor over and over again sounds gray and generic. I might as well say rifles to lable both assault and sniper variants and hardsuits to denote armor. I only use the complete name under certain circumstances, usually when a new character is introduced.

Besides, it's still my first fic.

I do agree with the capitalizations however, and will omit them in future chapter and will later go back to correct it. I went over my copy of Ascension and singularity wasn't capitalized, so there you go. Mea Culpa.

[LuxDragon]

As for what Miranda has done for Cerberus, I think its really based off her character.

TIM is in charge, sure, but there's only so much he can order before someone actually says no. For instance, Jacob. I doubt he razed any innocent non-human colonies because doing so might create a distraction or something for another operation.

TIM has a bunch of people under his command. Each will have their uses and certain tolerences. For brutal kills, and little moral qualms, Kai Leng is obviously his first choice.

For intellectual projects or seduction/assasination of dangerous threats (That probably deserve it), he'd call Miranda.

It's a matter of picking the right person for the right job and ensuring that:

A) They don't know the details (Need to know)
They don't care about the details
C) They have moral flexibility or ridgidity.

Miranda strikes me as gray, but still knows right and wrong. She may/may not kill an single innocent if ordered (And feel the appropiate amount of guilt), would never go widescale in her methods when she could use precision to get the same results, and children (Pragia) is completely off limits.

[ViSeiRa]

O Tucker wrote...

As Mass Effect the movie is going to be at comic con i justed liked this picture that came with the info

Also Notice that Miranda and Garrus are of the centre of this band of Brothers ( also Miranda and Garrus is my favourite combo )

http://www.gamersspo...s&news_id=88128

That's a retouched screenshot of the squad selection screen made by an artist called adiera1, it isn't related to the actual movie in anyway, I'm still hoping they'd stay away from the games and make a prequel movie like the first contact war, no problem including some characters we already know from the games, but I hope they leave the games' story "non-canonized".

I'm sure every character in the game was busy doing his/her own thing before and/or after they met Shepard, the universe is big enough they can make a brilliant movie without him, if Miranda ever appears in any ME movie and Yvonne Strahovski is casted as her then I'd not ask for more.

[Jebel Krong]

O Tucker wrote...

As Mass Effect the movie is going to be at comic con i justed liked this picture that came with the info

Also Notice that Miranda and Garrus are of the centre of this band of Brothers ( also Miranda and Garrus is my favourite combo )

http://www.gamersspo...s&news_id=88128

seen the image on deviantart, news sites must have "borrowed" it from there - it's definitely fan-made, not official.

edit: ninja'd 

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 07 juillet 2011 - 10:57 .

[jtav]

Personally, I want Miranda to stay far away from the movie.

We need new info. I'm having Miranda in ME3 dreams now. And yes, she was a full squad member.

[Arijharn]

I'd like to see a throwback in the movie towards Miranda or TIM, but if they do that then keep them silhouetted. Let them worry about the actual casting of Miranda/TIM until the ME2 movie.

If of course, the ME movies will be focused on Cmdr. Shephard... which would make a great deal of sense.

[MisterJB]

Rumour has it the movie will be about the First Contact War.
Which, ofc, doesn't automatically exclude the Illusive Man.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 juillet 2011 - 11:24 .

[ViSeiRa]

MisterJB wrote...

Rumour has it the movie will be about the First Contact War.
Which, ofc, doesn't automatically exclude the Illusive Man.

The release says Protosevich is "adapting the game to film", which means they're gonna turn every game into a movie, like a trilogy or something... I hope I'm getting it wrong, but it sounds as bad as I think it is.

[Melra]

Why in hell would someone make movie about games, that are like interactive movies themselves? There's no one dumb enough to do such thing..

[jtav]

Oh, yes they are. Doom, Resident Evil, etc.

May they never get to ME2. I don't want big-screen Miranda.