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[jtav]

And Miranda believes in Cerberus ideals. It's the whole toturing kids thing she has a problem with.

[Ieldra]

Stonewall77 wrote...
If Miranda is one of your final squadmates and Sheperd destroys the Collector base, then there is a quick cutscene where she resigns from Cerberus. Certainly she would follow Shepard to the Alliance.

Most definitely not. They'd arrest her for "terrorist" activities along with Shepard. She'll keep a low profile at the least. Also, leaving Cerberus doesn't mean she suddenly likes the Alliance. I certainly hope she won't in ME3.

Also what jtav said.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 juillet 2011 - 04:55 .

[Melra]

I don't think it would be much use, if Miri's father was killed by the Reapers, then all of her most notable personal problems would've been dealt by someone else, I doubt that would make her feel any better about herself.

[MisterJB]

STJebus wrote...
and when does it say Miranda doesn't like the alliance?

On Horizon "Typical Alliance attitude. You're so focused on Cerberus that you're blind to the real threat."
Gotta agree with her.

I'm pretty sure she just likes Cerberus because they helped her get away from her dad

No, she clearly states that believes in what she perceives as Cerberus' goals "Advacement and preservation of humanity".

i don't think she has an opinion on the alliance other than what Cerberus has told her

Why not? It's not hard to look at the Alliance, its actions, the general type people who work for them and then form an opinion.

resigns from Cerberus because she likes his ideals better

She resigned from Cerberus not because of Shepard (she will do so even unloyal) but rather because of Cerberus going against her morals and ideals.
Also, because loyalty is very important to Miranda and TIM proved he doesn't care about his own people.

wouldn't that in turn lead to her liking the alliance?

Disliking Cerberus doesn't automatically make someone an Alliance loyalist.

jtav wrote...
It's the whole toturing kids thing she has a problem with.

Ironically, that really wasn't Cerberus.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:03 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

STJebus wrote...
and when does it say Miranda doesn't like the alliance?

On Horizon "Typical Alliance attitude. You're so focused on Cerberus that you're blind to the real threat."
Gotta agree with her.

Unfortunately, that attitude is also all too common among ME2 players.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Unfortunately, that attitude is also all too common among ME2 players.

Collector base?
Well, it's harder to hate humongous machines. Also, we know for a fact that the Reapers will be defeated, but the chances of The Illusive Man escaping for the good of the franchise are still up.

[Melra]

It's not that Collector Base goes to the Cerberus, I wouldn't give it, even if it went to Alliance. Pew pew boom, off it goes. Blowing stuff is always more fun and this time it's for a good cause.

[jtav]

It's vital to me that Miranda keep her own morals and belief in a cause, rather than falling under Shepard's sway. If she does, she ceases to be Miranda.

[CuseGirl]

Question, I never brought Miranda with me on my playthrus where I blew up the collector base. I only brought her when I kept it. Did she technically resign despite not having that cutscene played?

Modifié par CuseGirl, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:14 .

[Melra]

CuseGirl wrote...

Question, I never brought Miranda with me on my playthrus where I blew up the collector base. If I only brought her when I kept it. Did she technically resign despite not having that cutscene played?

No she doesn't, she resigns, after she sees Illusive Man's reaction to Shepard turning him down and -destroying- the base.

[CuseGirl]

Prudii Aden wrote...

About the only game-based movie that I've seen that was half way decent was Prince of Persia. Other than that, their either dire (Doom, Super Mario Bros etc) or have Milla Jovovich in them (Resident Evil).

:lol::lol:

and sadly true

[jtav]

I think it'll simplify into Keep base=stay, Destroy Base=resign.

[CuseGirl]

So the only way Miranda can actually leave Cerberus is to be in the final boss fight AND to keep the base? She can't resign if she's not there? That seems like a huge change in ME-3's plot and it's really decided based on who stays to hold the line.

EDIT: Nevermind, I get it.....

Modifié par CuseGirl, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:16 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Unfortunately, that attitude is also all too common among ME2 players.

Collector base?
Well, it's harder to hate humongous machines. Also, we know for a fact that the Reapers will be defeated, but the chances of The Illusive Man escaping for the good of the franchise are still up.

Yes, but Bioware should have risen to the challenge instead of giving us something easier to hate. I won't hate Cerberus exactly because I'm supposed to hate it. It's such a cheap ploy for an emotional response, I feel insulted and refuse to comply.

Also, no, it's not just the Collector base, it's how people generally think about it. I mean yes, Cerberus are rather dark, but that's no reason to stop thinking altogether and give yourself in to blind hate.

@Melrache:
Destroying the base is not a good cause

Edit:
And if Miranda doesn't stick to her ideals at least somewhat instead of being completely Shepardized I'll go on a rant the size of the Citadel.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:37 .

[jtav]

You and me both, Ieldra. I'm here because of those ideals.

[MisterJB]

Sadly, humanity is very used to stop thinking and start blindly hating.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Cerberus are rather dark

Little bit of an understatement.

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Unfortunately, that attitude is also all too common among ME2 players.

Collector base?
Well, it's harder to hate humongous machines. Also, we know for a fact that the Reapers will be defeated, but the chances of The Illusive Man escaping for the good of the franchise are still up.

Yes, but Bioware should have risen to the challenge instead of giving us something easier to hate. I won't hate Cerberus exactly because I'm supposed to hate it. It's such a cheap ploy for an emotional response, I feel insulted and refuse to comply.

Also, no, it's not just the Collector base, it's how people generally think about it. I mean yes, Cerberus are rather dark, but that's no reason to stop thinking altogether and give yourself in to blind hate.

@Melrache:
Destroying the base is not a good cause

Edit:
And if Miranda doesn't stick to her ideals at least somewhat instead of being completely Shepardized I'll go on a rant the size of the Citadel.

Maybe not in your opinion, in my opinion it is. If becoming the same as the enemy is the only way to beat it, then there's no point to whole thing. And you can argue, that it might not happen, but I will not risk it. I feel, there's already the technology, that's needed to beat the Reapers, now it's just up to numbers.

[ViSeiRa]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Cerberus are rather dark

Little bit of an understatement.

Maybe you should quote the whole reply and think about what you said.

[MisterJB]

There's absolutely nothing that indicates Cerberus had anything to do with that colony turning into Husks, we only know that they bougth some samples from them. It makes no sense for Cerberus to turn a productive colony into Husks and then just leave them around for someone to find instead of experimenting on them, especially considering that the Alliance could connect it to Cerberus.

We do not know what were Cerberus' reasons for the attack on Akuze so I'll reserve judgement.

And we know for a fact that Cerberus were not responsible for what happened to Jack. The videologs found on Pragia prove it.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

ViSeirA wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Cerberus are rather dark

Little bit of an understatement.

Maybe you should quote the whole reply and think about what you said.

Yeah, the post was how about we shouldn't mindlessly hate Cerebus despite the fact that they're written as hilariously evil. I agree with that because I can't work up the emotion to hate a bunch of pixels.

[ViSeiRa]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Cerberus are rather dark

Little bit of an understatement.

Maybe you should quote the whole reply and think about what you said.

Yeah, the post was how about we shouldn't mindlessly hate Cerebus despite the fact that they're written as hilariously evil. I agree with that because I can't work up the emotion to hate a bunch of pixels.

Good lord, the post actually pushes us to think with rationality? anyway this is only in-directly related to Miranda so I won't reply to or quote you again... happy trolling Miss Jackson.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...
If becoming the same as the enemy is the only way to beat it, then there's no point to whole thing. And you can argue, that it might not happen, but I will not risk it. I feel, there's already the technology, that's needed to beat the Reapers, now it's just up to numbers.

I think there's a philosophical question underlying our differences here. We already are like the Reapers, living off organisms we see as so much below us that we don't think we need to consider them. It's our nature and whether or not it is evil depends on your viewpoint. 
Which is where another difference comes in. I do not equal keeping the Collector base to the wish to build a Reaper, or even to sacrifice humans wholesale in order to find out how it works. I do not equal keeping it to becoming like the Reapers. And as another difference yet, I am not particularly enamored of the status quo of humanity and thus, I am open to large-scale change wrought by technology in unexpected ways. If the galaxy defeats the Reapers, it will disprove, by that very act, the inevitability of the "path of ignorance" predicted by them, disproving that we will, inevitably, become like them. At leat not more than we already are.

OK, this has become seriously OT. I hope posting a Miranda pic makes it excusable

[Repearized Miranda]

Arijharn wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...


He wasn't overtly emotional, but maybe he was directed that way as opposed to his counter part.

Mark and Jennifer were directed to be neutral. Consider how many dialogue options there are; factor in how many days of recording they'll have to go through (add any re-recordings due to script rewrites etc) and couple this with how many variances in scene there could be.

If paragon and renegade are too much at extremes in terms of emotional content, then the scene wouldn't 'gel' because Shephard would sound and act bipolar. Scenes with Shephard being actually emotional are very few and far between... the only exceptions I can think of is back on the Normandy when talking to Liara after Shadow Broker, and when Shephard is smacking around Dr. Gavin Archer.

If generally speaking, paragon's are 'nice guys', and renegade's a 'jerk faces', then overall a scene could suffer because Mark and/or Jennifer would be putting too much 'emotion' into each scene, and it'd be exacerbated if the player should mix his/her reply's between them (or even the neutral option).

Gotcha! I'm just saying it didn't come off that way to lots of people who just hear them speaking the lines. There's an VA xomparison on Youtube, but apparently, the lines are in response to the non-neutral choices. So, yes, I'm speaking generally. The person who brought it up is the one with the issue, but I do undersand what he is saying. (Btw, I don't own LotSB, so I can't go off that)

[Vertigo_1]

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Modifié par Vertigo_1, 07 juillet 2011 - 08:13 .