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[AgitatedLemon]

Collider wrote...

I am pretty disappointed at how Kaidan turned out in ME2/ME3.
I predict my Shepard will not get along with him.

You could extend that to Ashley too, since they are basically clones in ME2+3, with slightly different dialogue.

[Collider]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Collider wrote...

I am pretty disappointed at how Kaidan turned out in ME2/ME3.
I predict my Shepard will not get along with him.

You could extend that to Ashley too, since they are basically clones in ME2+3, with slightly different dialogue.

Yes, indeed. Ashley is dead in my game, however.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Lemon
I disagree

[AgitatedLemon]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Lemon
I disagree

In what way are they different? They both accuse you of treason, they both suggest Cerberus could be working with the Collectors. They both send the apology letter. They both have trust issues with Shepard in ME3 (Actually, they are clones in ME3, they do everything the same).

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Lemon
I agree they will most likely have similar dialogue but they are way different people

[AgitatedLemon]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Lemon
I agree they will most likely have similar dialogue but they are way different people

The only time in the entire trilogy where they are "different" is ME1. Past Virmire, they meld into one another.

[Jynthor]

Collider wrote...

I am pretty disappointed at how Kaidan turned out in ME2/ME3.
I predict my Shepard will not get along with him.

This, I actually liked Kaidan in ME1, don't see why people think he's boring either, i thought his stories from, I think it was called Jump Zero? Were very interesting.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Lemon
No they don't they have similar roles but are not the same people.

[Td1984]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

I tend to play pro-Cerberus and even more so in ME3 imo, I'm not really pleased to be back with the Alliance. I don't think the VS and I will get along well. I guess telling him/her off will be ... interesting

I'm kind of hoping for something similar to how Shepard tells off TIM at the end of ME2.

"We're playing by my rules from here on out. Either fall in line or step aside, but do NOT get in my way."

I was thinking of something like this : " You may be a Spectre now, good for you but just remember who is still in charge of this ship. Don't try to get bold with me"

Except that Kaidan outranks Shepard, pew pew.

I don't think he does. There are different Commander ranks and I believe Shep is the one directly below Captain. Kaidan is not a Captain, so they're probably identical rank. I could (read "probably") be wrong.

Shepard is a Lt. Commander. Kaidan is a Major in ME3, which puts him above Shepard. Technically though, Shepard outranks everyone because he's a Spectre. Any promotions at this point would be redundant.

Shepard has seniority over Kaidan, since Shepard has been a Spectre for 3 years now, and Kaidan only recently becomes one.

Neither of the VS' take control of the Normandy.

I thought Kaidan was Lt. Commander in ME1 and Shep outranked him, making them Staff Commander...

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Miranda represents such a radical advancement with Lazarus, and she embodies another with her genetic engineering. Both are very desirable things in spite of some problems that come with them. As long as Cerberus does such things it can't be totally bad. As Wilson says, Lazarus is one of the greatest achievements in human history. And any attempt to decry such things by associating them with an organization also responsible for atrocities....just fails with me.

So I find Miranda attractive on three counts: for herself, for what she does, and for what she embodies. "The future of humanity, as evidenced by the perfect Ms. Lawson." And half of all that also applies to Cerberus, even if the other half is unacceptable. The best and the worst of humanity, as Mac Walters (I think) said. I wish I could save the best while throwing the worst away.

You greatly sum it up Sir
I agree with your three points about Miranda.
Also, I think an organisation such as Cerberus is to some extent useful to humanity, they are free from the bondage of the Council, unlike the Alliance and can do whatever it takes to get the job done.
Of course there is the counterpart with experiments like Teltin.
*Perhaps*  during/after the events of ME3 somebody may put a more humane face on Cerberus ...

Modifié par ThomGau, 25 février 2012 - 10:18 .

[Melra]

Td1984 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

I tend to play pro-Cerberus and even more so in ME3 imo, I'm not really pleased to be back with the Alliance. I don't think the VS and I will get along well. I guess telling him/her off will be ... interesting

I'm kind of hoping for something similar to how Shepard tells off TIM at the end of ME2.

"We're playing by my rules from here on out. Either fall in line or step aside, but do NOT get in my way."

I was thinking of something like this : " You may be a Spectre now, good for you but just remember who is still in charge of this ship. Don't try to get bold with me"

Except that Kaidan outranks Shepard, pew pew.

I don't think he does. There are different Commander ranks and I believe Shep is the one directly below Captain. Kaidan is not a Captain, so they're probably identical rank. I could (read "probably") be wrong.

Shepard is a Lt. Commander. Kaidan is a Major in ME3, which puts him above Shepard. Technically though, Shepard outranks everyone because he's a Spectre. Any promotions at this point would be redundant.

Shepard has seniority over Kaidan, since Shepard has been a Spectre for 3 years now, and Kaidan only recently becomes one.

Neither of the VS' take control of the Normandy.

I thought Kaidan was Lt. Commander in ME1 and Shep outranked him, making them Staff Commander...

He was First Lieutenant.

[AgitatedLemon]

Td1984 wrote...

I thought Kaidan was Lt. Commander in ME1 and Shep outranked him, making them Staff Commander...

Kaidan was just a Lieutenant in ME1.

[AgitatedLemon]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Lemon
No they don't they have similar roles but are not the same people.

They may as well be the same people, considering they fulfill the same roles and share dialogue.

The only differences between the 2 are backstory and mannerisms.

[Td1984]

Dang. Not that it matters. Kaidan is always in love with the nuke on Virmire. He stays with it to the very end on all my playthroughs. Can't have one of my former subordinates now outranking me.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Lemon
No they don't they have similar roles but are not the same people.

They may as well be the same people, considering they fulfill the same roles and share dialogue.

The only differences between the 2 are backstory and mannerisms.

Why do you hate the VS?

[Phoenixsong]

Virmire is the hardest decision in the game for me, how many of you choose Ashley over Kaidan? It seems that more people save Kaidan, from what I hear that people think Ash is racist. But I disagree, shes just slightly xenophobic.

Modifié par Phoenixsong, 25 février 2012 - 10:23 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Td1984 wrote...

Dang. Not that it matters. Kaidan is always in love with the nuke on Virmire. He stays with it to the very end on all my playthroughs. Can't have one of my former subordinates now outranking me.

He wouldn't outrank you anyway, since Shepard is a Spectre, and has been for far longer than Kaidan.

[AgitatedLemon]

Phoenixsong wrote...

Virmire is the hardest decision in the game for me, how many of you choose Ashley over Kaidan? It seems that more people save Kaidan, from what I hear that people think Ash is racist. But I disagree, shes just slightly xenophobic.

I always choose Ashley over Kaidan. The only reason I have a Kaidan save is because I mashed the X button through the Genesis comic, and accidentally saved him. IIRC, from a poll Bioware took, something like 80% of people who voted saved Ashley.

[Melra]

Td1984 wrote...

Dang. Not that it matters. Kaidan is always in love with the nuke on Virmire. He stays with it to the very end on all my playthroughs. Can't have one of my former subordinates now outranking me.

Too much for your Shepard's ego? :happy: Even though great mentors often have their disciples go further than themselves.

Anyway, do you think there's been anyone special teaching Miranda's the tricks and ways of her field? How do you think she feels about them? 

[shepard1038]

Phoenixsong wrote...

Virmire is the hardest decision in the game for me, how many of you choose Ashley over Kaidan? It seems that more people save Kaidan, from what I hear that people think Ash is racist. But I disagree, shes just slightly xenophobic.

Actually most people save Ashley than Kaidan.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Lemon
No I'm not going to agree. I see them differently always will.

@Td1984
I might romance you for saying that

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Lemon
No they don't they have similar roles but are not the same people.

They may as well be the same people, considering they fulfill the same roles and share dialogue.

The only differences between the 2 are backstory and mannerisms.

Why do you hate the VS?

I don't "hate" any characters. I dislike Kaidan in ME1, but somewhat respect him in ME3. I adored Ashley in ME1, but I dislike her in ME3, due to dialogue I've read. 

One quality for both of them that I dislike are their trust issues. It's understandable to not trust Shepard initially because of his past with Cerberus, but it drags on for a good majority of the game.

[Phoenixsong]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Phoenixsong wrote...

Virmire is the hardest decision in the game for me, how many of you choose Ashley over Kaidan? It seems that more people save Kaidan, from what I hear that people think Ash is racist. But I disagree, shes just slightly xenophobic.

I always choose Ashley over Kaidan. The only reason I have a Kaidan save is because I mashed the X button through the Genesis comic, and accidentally saved him. IIRC, from a poll Bioware took, something like 80% of people who voted saved Ashley.

Oh well I suspect I just saw the viewpoints of the Ash haters I suppose..I save Ash every time as well

[AgitatedLemon]

jreezy wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

Dang. Not that it matters. Kaidan is always in love with the nuke on Virmire. He stays with it to the very end on all my playthroughs. Can't have one of my former subordinates now outranking me.

He wouldn't outrank you anyway, since Shepard is a Spectre, and has been for far longer than Kaidan.

Neither one of them seemed to be a Spectre at the start of ME3. 

I already made my point that the VS gets promoted to Spectre during the course of ME3. At the start, Ashley is just a Lt. Commander, and Kaidan is a Major.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 25 février 2012 - 10:30 .