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[AgitatedLemon]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Why don't Miri and Shepard remotely even act like a couple during the SM?
Was it a plot hole or were they masking their feelings?

They knew that it wasn't really the best time to be all kissy-kissy.

Although I'm surprised Shepard didn't emote at all when he lifts the metal grate off of Miranda after killing the Reaper. At the very least, something like this-

Shepard: *Lifts grate off Miranda* Oh god... Miranda, are you alright?

Miranda: Errgh.... Yeah, I'm fine. Thanks Shepard.

S: Phew, thought I lost you for a second there. Thank god you're alright.

M: You won't get rid of me that easily. You promised me you won't die, I'll make sure I don't either.

S: You better not. Now, let's get out of here.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 26 février 2012 - 05:48 .

[redBadger14]

It would have been nice, but too many programming variables for it to actually be possible and/or practical; they need to take into account every squaddie you have, which ones are loyal (to determine if they die there or not), who ends up where, who can be romanced, who is being romanced, etc, etc.

And even if it were somehow possible, the programming would just become a total mess as a result.

[Td1984]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
The N7 Collector's Edition Official Strategy Guide has been FULLY Paid Off as well.

People still pay for these?

I mostly got it for a Collectable. However....I gotta make sure I don't screw up without looking for answers on the Internet.

I want to get the "The Art Of Mass Effect" Book.

I bought that earlier this evening. Haven't really looked at it yet. 

[AgitatedLemon]

redBadger14 wrote...

It would have been nice, but too many programming variables for it to actually be possible and/or practical; they need to take into account every squaddie you have, which ones are loyal (to determine if they die there or not), who ends up where, who can be romanced, who is being romanced, etc, etc.

And even if it were somehow possible, the programming would just become a total mess as a result.

They wouldn't really need to factor loyalty. Loyalty is a prerequisite for the romance, which in turn is a prerequisite for the hypothetical emote. They don't need to program "who ends up where" either, since that's up to the player during squad selection.

(I assume you're talking about the "Why doesn't Shepard acknowledge the romance during the SM" thing)

[Ieldra]

redBadger14 wrote...
It would have been nice, but too many programming variables for it to actually be possible and/or practical; they need to take into account every squaddie you have, which ones are loyal (to determine if they die there or not), who ends up where, who can be romanced, who is being romanced, etc, etc.

And even if it were somehow possible, the programming would just become a total mess as a result.

It wouldn't. At that point, Shepard has one LI out of three options at the max. It's not more than checking three flags and (team member X is in the squad). I don't know how they do their programming, but I can assure you it shouldn't be more than one line of code, possibly two if you get dogmatic about formatting, plus the dialog itself which isn't part of the programming. As opposed to other scenes, you don't even need to insert additional lines into an existing dialogue, but just add a new one if certain conditions are met.

Belay that, it should be even easier and require no additional programming at all. They already should have mechanisms in place to insert a dialogue, enable a line or an option if certain conditions are met, because that happens all the time. And the conditions "Romanced X" and "X in the squad" already exist. All they needed to to was to set things up correctly in the scene configuration files. That's five minutes. The majority of resources spent would've gone into producing the actual dialogue scene - character animations, camera angles, VA and suchlike.

So, I don't know why they didn't add something like this, but it was probably a matter of resources and priorities. I'm sure someone had the idea, but something else was considered more important and they couldn't do everything.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 février 2012 - 07:50 .

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
That entire dossier (The doctor's letter and dating line, in particular) was just insulting. Insulting to Miranda, and insulting to my intelligence, having read it.

Indeed. I hate that dossier with a passion. The worst thing is that unlike the dossiers of the other team members, we can't put it off and ignore it as an inconsequential attempt at humor. The only good part is the chat with Oriana, and even that's so over-the-top it's not funny anymore. 

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
That entire dossier (The doctor's letter and dating line, in particular) was just insulting. Insulting to Miranda, and insulting to my intelligence, having read it.

Indeed. I hate that dossier with a passion. The worst thing is that unlike the dossiers of the other team members, we can't put it off and ignore it as an inconsequential attempt at humor. The only good part is the chat with Oriana, and even that's so over-the-top it's not funny anymore. 

I don't even like the chat. It could be misinterpreted as Miranda being socially inept and not being able to talk to her own sister.

[MassEffect4Eva1710]

I like the conversation between Oriana and Miranda. I think it's cute. The infertility thing annoys me but it's nothing to be overly upset about. It's not like my Shepard would dump her because of it. The IPartners things though...God that pissed me off. But I found out a way for it to make sense...in my head!

[Ieldra]

MassEffect4Eva1710 wrote...
I like the conversation between Oriana and Miranda. I think it's cute. The infertility thing annoys me but it's nothing to be overly upset about. It's not like my Shepard would dump her because of it. The IPartners things though...God that pissed me off. But I found out a way for it to make sense...in my head!

Just the other way round for me. The iPartners thing didn't bother me much - at least as long as I don't have to pretent it was to get pregnant, because that would be an ultra-stupid way to go about it. But the infertility sends me up the wall, because it appears to shout "genetic engineering is bad" or "creating life is bad". I'm allergic against that because there is no rational argument why it should be bad.

Had it just been the chat with Oriana and the iPartners thing - i.e. no medical report - I'd have facepalmed at Bioware's attempt at being humorous but it wouldn't have bothered me. As it is - kill it with fire.  

[jlb524]

The 'infertility b/c of genetic engineering' OMG Miranda isn't a 'real person b/c she can't procreate' is fracking awful.

[Ieldra]

jlb524 wrote...
The 'infertility b/c of genetic engineering' OMG Miranda isn't a 'real person b/c she can't procreate' is fracking awful.

The latter is just implied in a comment by Ashley, so that's characterization instead of Bioware dropping the anvil with a "moral" message I passionately disagree with. It doesn't bother me. The former, however.......I hoped, for a change, they'd subvert the trope "Creating Life is Bad" with Miranda before LotSB came out. We'll see how things turn out in ME3 - Liara's "the future of humanity, as evidenced by the perfect Ms Lawson" indicates that Bioware was aware of both sides of this.  

And it isn't "She isn't a real person because she can't procreate" but "she isn't a real person because she was engineered".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 février 2012 - 11:51 .

[JosephDucreux]

*Miranda and Shepard are lingerie shopping on Illium*

Miranda *emerges out of dressing room wearing nothing but negligee*: So...how about this purple negligee?
Shepard: Hmm...not bad...but nah.
Miranda *goes in, changes before coming back out*: Alright then, what about this pink translucent teddy then?
Shepard: Better, but still a nope.

*13 sets of lingerie later*
Miranda: For God's sakes Shepard, you've said no to EVERY SINGLE PIECE I'VE TRIED.
Shepard: ...Well, nothing fits you perfectly.
Miranda: Excuse me? Are you trying to insinuate that my body is somehow lacking-
Shepard: NOTHING fits you perfectly.
Miranda: ...Pig.
Shepard:

Modifié par JosephDucreux, 26 février 2012 - 12:01 .

[redBadger14]

Ieldra2 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
It would have been nice, but too many programming variables for it to actually be possible and/or practical; they need to take into account every squaddie you have, which ones are loyal (to determine if they die there or not), who ends up where, who can be romanced, who is being romanced, etc, etc.

And even if it were somehow possible, the programming would just become a total mess as a result.

It wouldn't. At that point, Shepard has one LI out of three options at the max. It's not more than checking three flags and (team member X is in the squad). I don't know how they do their programming, but I can assure you it shouldn't be more than one line of code, possibly two if you get dogmatic about formatting, plus the dialog itself which isn't part of the programming. As opposed to other scenes, you don't even need to insert additional lines into an existing dialogue, but just add a new one if certain conditions are met.

Belay that, it should be even easier and require no additional programming at all. They already should have mechanisms in place to insert a dialogue, enable a line or an option if certain conditions are met, because that happens all the time. And the conditions "Romanced X" and "X in the squad" already exist. All they needed to to was to set things up correctly in the scene configuration files. That's five minutes. The majority of resources spent would've gone into producing the actual dialogue scene - character animations, camera angles, VA and suchlike.

So, I don't know why they didn't add something like this, but it was probably a matter of resources and priorities. I'm sure someone had the idea, but something else was considered more important and they couldn't do everything.

Hm, now that I think about it you're right. Though I do think it had something to do with greater priorities than adding in a line or two to address the romance where it's admittedly insignificant compared to, again, other priorites the development team had.

Though the addition of increased party banter in ME3 has me wondering if such little touches to addressing the romance, with anyone whether it be Ash, Kaidan, or Miranda, were also added in. I think that would be pretty cool, running through a mission, killing Cerberus or Husks or what have you, and Shepard and Ashley speak to each other between battles with romance lines like "Don't die on me, Shepard."

Obviously a better line than that lol but you guys get the picture. And I used Ashley as an example because she's a squadmate throughout the entire game. If it were Miranda, same thing would happen but whenever she becomes a temp squadmate for a mission or two.

[mirifan]

I like ashley, she is good girl, something racist but just think we can handle that, anyway I don't like her for my shep, what bothers me is bioware, the transformation that made her, to try to knock him to fans miri, for you go by the new pair of boobs, and man is man usually most of you will fall

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I don't even like the chat. It could be misinterpreted as Miranda being socially inept and not being able to talk to her own sister.

Not socially inept, just not accostumed to dealing with emotional matters.
I found it to be very in character. When confronted with a personal question she did not know how to answer, Miranda resorted to "facts" from the most credible source of information she could find.

The only thing strange is how Oriana needed romantic advice. She is Miranda's twin, boys should be figthing for the privilege of throwying themselves at her feet.

Modifié par MisterJB, 26 février 2012 - 04:29 .

[jtav]

I also get the sense that there's confusion about her age. Miranda says 18 going on 19, but the dossier and email read younger.

[Skullheart]

Maybe the guy who wrote Miranda dossier didn't know much about the character.

The things that I dislike are the inferility thing. The IPartner, what pissed me more about this was her nickname, LawBringerSR2 , so she had those one night stands during betwen Freedom Progress and Horizon. And the cancelled subscription to the biotech research.

[Milan92]

Skullheart wrote...

Maybe the guy who wrote Miranda dossier didn't know much about the character.

The things that I dislike are the inferility thing. The IPartner, what pissed me more about this was her nickname, LawBringerSR2 , so she had those one night stands during betwen Freedom Progress and Horizon. And the cancelled subscription to the biotech research.

It has been confirmed by a Dev sometime ago that the dossiers take place before ME 2. Apart from the chat with Oriana.

[Melra]

MisterJB wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I don't even like the chat. It could be misinterpreted as Miranda being socially inept and not being able to talk to her own sister.

Not socially inept, just not accostumed to dealing with emotional matters.
I found it to be very in character. When confronted with a personal question she did not know how to answer, Miranda resorted to "facts" from the most credible source of information she could find.

The only thing strange is how Oriana needed romantic advice. She is Miranda's twin, boys should be figthing for the privilege of throwying themselves at her feet.

Just because you're good looking doesn't mean you know how to deal with people in those kind of situations. And even good looking people can become unattractive if their personality or behaviour is f*cked up. It's not strange... <_<

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Miri doesn't have an SB dossier I refuse to acknowledge its existence

[HairyMadDog1010]

Correct me if I am wrong but can't Shep and Miri grow a kid in an artifical uterus to subvert her infertility?

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Maybe William C. Dietz wrote Miranda's dossier if you get the bad joke

[Skullheart]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Maybe William C. Dietz wrote Miranda's dossier if you get the bad joke

Well, he made a bad work with deception. I don't know if he really readed Ascencion. And his maths are horrible (Gillian's age).

Modifié par Skullheart, 26 février 2012 - 06:03 .

[CrutchCricket]

The dossier's fine. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the Oriana chat, but I just think that's bad writing. It doesn't really do anything but give the character a problem and one that's laughably easy to fix or should be given the level of tech in the ME universe. If it doesn't get fixed in the third game I'm sure we can all fix it in our heads afterward.