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[Td1984]

MisterJB wrote...

I was under the impression it was actually 225 years. Could be I'm mistaken, maybe I didn't understand what "live half again as long as the average human" meant. English is not my first language.

Anyway, Miranda is just 5 years older than Shepard.

Not quite. Miranda was born in 2150, Shep on 4/11/2154 (according to the Wiki). I had thought it was 3 years.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Is there anyone else who is amazed as I am that Miri can live up to 200 years?

I certainly am.<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 juillet 2011 - 02:26 .

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

This apparently confirms that it's a deliberate policy to say nothing about her. I fear she'll get the Garrus treatment and we'll have nothing new to talk about until next year. Extremely frustrating.

I think it would be stupid and way to premature for them to talk about any characters this far out from launch. Twitter is a great tool for them because it costs them nothing to maintain and it constantly feeds people's excitement for the game, but don't mistake this tool for an 'ondemand' press release.

I'm more surprised that people continue to ask them questions about characters and expecting responses more than anything else. Casey asking questions about 'who to feature in the next round of screenshots' make a great deal of sense in comparison.

[Volandrius]

strive wrote...

Who knows, Shepard may have a 500 year life span as a couple people have voiced.

I think Shepard will live longer than the normal human, he may be on par with Miranda now in terms of aging and healing. Dunno how literal TIM meant when he said "bring him back exactly as Shepard was". But I'm thinking the technology in Shepard is going to boost his life expectancy at the very least, and they may have given him some "enhanced genetics" like Miranda.

I thought about this aswell, because Shepard did come back as "meat and tubes" so what the Lazarus Project did must have some effect on his life expectancy, maybe not "on par" with Miranda's but maybe a little longer than the average human.

[Ieldra]

About the aging difference:

I think this should not come up in the game. Why? Because it is all very, very premature. To plan for a lifetime together when you have 100-120 years before you is ridiculous. They don't even know if their relationship will last 20 years. Ask again in 20 years and you still don't know if it's a question even worth considering, even less to torture yourself about it.

As for Shepard: I don't see any indication that frozen stem cells from Shepard's childhood or suchlike have been used for his reconstruction. Which means there was no "age reset" for the cells in his body and he will continue to age as normal, skipping only the two years he "spent" dead. Lazarus's goal was to bring Shepard back as he was, and I imagine that's been difficult enough to try for rejuvenation on top of that. I find it much more likely that Shepard's life expectancy is less than normal with all the cybernetic implants and the punishment his body had to take. Countering that, it could be that there will be some kind of rejuvenation therapy within his lifetime. In the end, it's anyone's imagination that rules here, unless Bioware gives us some canonical information, which I don't think they will.

[Spanky Magoo]

figured I poke my head in see whats up. im farely new to the forums hope to see some miranda pics at comicon

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
I think it would be stupid and way to premature for them to talk about any characters this far out from launch. Twitter is a great tool for them because it costs them nothing to maintain and it constantly feeds people's excitement for the game, but don't mistake this tool for an 'ondemand' press release.

So it was stupid and premature to say that Liara and the VS will be permanently on the team in ME3? That Tali and Garrus will be able to join you? We don't have unreasonable expectations you know. We just want to know about Miranda what we already know about some others. It is an unsatisfactory state of things that of the five revealed team members, there is only one I like and my favorite isn't among them. Instead we got Tali and Garrus - *again*.

I'm more surprised that people continue to ask them questions about characters and expecting responses more than anything else. Casey asking questions about 'who to feature in the next round of screenshots' make a great deal of sense in comparison.

And we answered that question. What's so unusual about that? Again I don't expect them to answer questions about plots.

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
So it was stupid and premature to say that Liara and the VS will be permanently on the team in ME3? That Tali and Garrus will be able to join you? We don't have unreasonable expectations you know. We just want to know about Miranda what we already know about some others. It is an unsatisfactory state of things that of the five revealed team members, there is only one I like and my favorite isn't among them. Instead we got Tali and Garrus
- *again*.

Honestly? Yes, I think it was. Having said that, Liara and Garrus are probably far more important to the central 'core' of ME gamers since they'll be in all 3 titles. I think Miranda is important and all that, but I think all things considered; she's 'less' important as far as general interest in the game goes.

Also; there's a difference between press releases and people asking Casey to spill the beans haphazardly via twitter. And you know Miranda will play a role in the game anyway, because at least Mac has said (or at least; inferred) it to be the case, Casey too.

I get that you find it 'unsatisfactory' to not know some things, but Ieldra, (apologies for sounding condenscending, but I can't get my point across otherwise imo); it's time for you to put on your big boy pants, because Casey I think has said that Miranda's appearance/role in the game is important... or maybe I'm reading too much into his twitter response.

It's not as if Miranda hasn't been announced that she'll be in 3 (because... she has!)

Ieldra wrote..
And we answered that question. What's so unusual about that? Again I don't expect them to answer questions about plots.

Yes, and that's cool. I don't think it's unusual at all, but a lot of people seem to be dying to know particulars about Miranda's involvement, and while I think it's important too, I think it's not important right now. We're still months away from release.

Miranda is also slightly controversial too, since she worked for Cerberus, who is known to be (in at least some form) our enemy come 3. She's unapologetically human-first (although not necessarily human supremacist), I like that they're keeping an air of mystery about her at the moment, in some way, I think it's a bit characterful.

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
Because Casey I think has said that Miranda's appearance/role in the game is important... or maybe I'm reading too much into his twitter response.

You mean "anything more than 'she's in ME3', including how much you'll see of her, would be a story spoiler"? Yeah, I think you're reading too much into that. He never said anything about her importance. That statement can easily cover a one-mission presence with almost no plot relevance. "She'll not be present for X% of the game" carries as much information as "She will be present for X% of the game", except that the former establishes a maximum and the latter a minimum.

(And there goes the "justification" for your condescension - I could've done without that, you know)

Miranda is also slightly controversial too, since she worked for Cerberus, who is known to be (in at least some form) our enemy come 3. She's unapologetically human-first (although not necessarily human supremacist), I like that they're keeping an air of mystery about her at the moment, in some way, I think it's a bit characterful.

From a storytelling perspective, you're right. But this is not just about that. In fact, why I and others are somewhat persistent in expressing our wish for more information is that we fear her story potential will be completely disregarded and the rest of the ME1 team minus Wrex pushed to the front at her (and the other ME2-only team members') expense. Given the pattern that has emerged from the reveals so far, you can't say that this is an unfounded fear.

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
You mean "anything more than 'she's in ME3', including how much you'll see of her, would be a story spoiler"?

I think that means she'll be at least somewhat 'important' then. I don't care if she's the most important thing ever, or if she's as important as any other factor, so no I don't think I've read too much into anything at all.

The time period of how involved she is in the game and certain people's demands on having this clarified is what I'm talking about (re: big boy pants). It's not really important in the grand scheme of things at the moment compared to other details like customization options etc, etc. I like characters of course, they're really the most important thing to me in the game outside its story, but then again, it's because characters are so important that I don't see why people are so eager in finding out about it now when we're still about 8 months away from launch.

Which is why I find it particularly frustrating when people like you, who I find to be pretty sensible and intellectual who genuinely seem to think things through perform something akin to the forum equivalent of stamping their feet when they don't get enough Miranda information.... especially when the game isn't going to come out for another 8 months meaning we have 8 more months of information to be trickled down to us so we can formulate our own theories (sometimes these theories will hit, sometimes they'll hit, but in the end the only thing that matters is that we have fun discussing the pros and cons about each right?)

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah, I think you're reading too much into that. He never said anything about her importance. That statement can easily cover a one-mission presence with almost no plot relevance. "She'll not be present for X% of the game" carries as much information as "She will be present for X% of the game", except that the former establishes a maximum and the latter a minimum.

Honestly, I'm surprised that the issue is so important to you right now when information about ME3 has only recently started to be filtered out. Maybe I'd be more inclined to be sympathetic to your plight if we were only like 3 months left and there was a comparative lack of Miranda information compared to other party members or even to announced new LI interests, but you know... me personally I'd think that'd be more 'favourable' towards Miranda considering her Cerberus' roots, so even then it's a definite maybe.

Besides, you and I can both make inferred assumptions as to how important Miranda will be in anycase. If Miranda is actually pretty important, then while I don't presume to speak for you; I'd rather find that out (in detail) in the game as opposed to having it spoiled to me beforehand. 

Ieldra2 wrote...
From a storytelling perspective, you're right. But this is not just about that. In fact, why I and others are somewhat persistent in expressing our wish for more information is that we fear her story potential will be completely disregarded and the rest of the ME1 team minus Wrex pushed to the front at her (and the other ME2-only team members') expense. Given the pattern that has emerged from the reveals so far, you can't say that this is an unfounded fear.

Then my question to you is whether you trust the story tellers to story tell, while accepting that some things details in the game may not occur as you wish.

There can be no definitive 'pattern' to the reveals so far because the game is yonks away from launch. E3 was the first public reveal about the game (short of the fact it was an open secret that they were developing it, and that was revealed prior to ME1's launch).

Obviously; I like Miranda a lot, therefore I'm inclined to think that Miranda's story potential will probably be wasted in some capacity anyway, but that's honestly okay, because I think most character's story potential will be otherwise 'wasted' as well.

I think it's a gross disservice though if you think that BioWare will specifically not work on Miranda's potential though because they somehow 'don't like her', and honestly I wouldn't have expected that from you knowing what little I do about you. I don't think you do necessarily think that, but that's what it sounds like to me at least by reading your post.

[Arijharn]

Also; just to be clear: even if Casey twitted something along the lines "Miranda is very important." Then yes, I'd consider even that to be spoilerish, because it's less 'guesswork.'

Modifié par Arijharn, 08 juillet 2011 - 09:36 .

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
I think it's a gross disservice though if you think that BioWare will specifically not work on Miranda's potential though because they somehow 'don't like her', and honestly I wouldn't have expected that from you knowing what little I do about you. I don't think you do necessarily think that, but that's what it sounds like to me at least by reading your post.

No, that's not what I think. But I think it's possible that they might not work on Miranda's potential because of their goal to have a smaller team with more interaction. Miranda might be the victim of a decision that is, in principle, laudable. In some way that's even worse because as opposed to what you thought I think, it has some plausibility. Having Garrus and Tali on that core team would make it infinitely worse for me personally.

Anyway, this exchange has become far bigger than I ever intended it to be. I don't know how you got the idea that information about Miranda right now is super-important for me, and I don't know why it's so important to you to refute me at such length on this minor issue. I wish I could be more confident about her role in ME3, that's all.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 juillet 2011 - 11:39 .

[Arijharn]

It was just how you phrased something on the preceeding page is all:

This apparently confirms that it's a deliberate policy to say nothing about her. '

It makes it sound as if they're deliberately screwing with you, or at least, that's how I read your statement. Of course it's deliberate policy not to say anything about her (or anyone else), for the reasons I've said above... but 'deliberate' in how you phrased it made me think you meant 'malicious' and that's what I objected too.

[Elyvern]

Wow....aren't you guys kind of making a mountain out of a molehill here? It is after all, 8 more months of waiting, anything could happen by then. Let's al just relax, shall we?

And Arjharn, for all you know, Ieldra's line could be referring to the fact that Bioware does have something bigger in store for Miranda, in which revealing further details of her involvement may include spoiling important plot lines, (to do with Cerberus, etc?). This is just an example, but if that were the case, then yes, it's remains a deliberate policy to withhold information about her.

Modifié par Elyvern, 08 juillet 2011 - 12:49 .

[Jebel Krong]

tbh we're probably getting to the point of inverse importance - i.e. the most important people tend to be revealed very early or very late in the process - those in the middle (so far mordin, legion & possibly tali/garrus) may not have significant roles (depending on LI status) - we know mordin won't particularly, sadly, and we've seen him already. Legion will be important geth/quarian conflict-wise, but perhaps not elsewhere. the lack of information about miranda so far, may well turn out to be a good thing in the end, in terms of importance/appearance.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

I just wish I could believe the old maxim that 'No news is good news', Elyvern.

Easier said than done...but I'l try...dammit can't do it.

[jtav]

I don't begrudge the VS or Liara a second of screentime. I really like them and they were screwed in ME2. I only hope we don't receive the same treatment.

[ViSeiRa]

Jebel Krong wrote...

tbh we're probably getting to the point of inverse importance - i.e. the most important people tend to be revealed very early or very late in the process - those in the middle (so far mordin, legion & possibly tali/garrus) may not have significant roles (depending on LI status) - we know mordin won't particularly, sadly, and we've seen him already. Legion will be important geth/quarian conflict-wise, but perhaps not elsewhere. the lack of information about miranda so far, may well turn out to be a good thing in the end, in terms of importance/appearance.

That may not apply to ME3 marketing at all, remember what they did with Garrus and Legion in ME2, they were not revealed at all or you can call it late reveals, the first was a fanservice type of character and added nothing to the story except some personal baggage, the second was there just to establish the Geth/Quarian conflict to be present in ME3, same goes for Tali who is already confirmed to return for ME3.... I'm not saying Miranda is getting the same treatment, but if they keep her role under wraps for so long (ie. not right now, but like 2-3 months before release) we're inclined to get worried, after all pretty much everyone who got that treatment had a minor role in ME.

Edit: I for one would prefer if Miranda never set foot on the Normandy in ME3 if she's gonna be like Garrus was in ME2, but then again Christina Norman said that the players who didn't save most of their team in ME2 will be in for a hard time in ME3, that may negate my argument but it still stands and if we spent a whole game (ME2) putting that crew together only to have them sidelined in ME3 I'd be very disappointed, after all why couldn't someone like Grunt/Thane/Tali... and almost all the rest except for (Miranda/Jacob/Mordin) be replaced by "Random Cerberus operative/assassin/engineer #3" ?

Modifié par ViSeirA, 08 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

I don't begrudge the VS or Liara a second of screentime. I really like them and they were screwed in ME2. I only hope we don't receive the same treatment.

the only character that came close to the ME2 ones from ME1 was wrex: tali was an encyclopaedia and boring as hell, ashley started as an unlikeable racist (though character development could get her past that), but she's still a standard unexceptional grunt with the cliche liking of 'classical' poetry (really - no-one in fiction ever likes contemporary stuff), kaiden was bland and as dull as dishwater - sorry i know you like him, but it's true - there was nothing exceptional in anything he said/did that made him stand out as a character - standard grunt (again) biotic wash-out, if anything he was an easy Virmire sacrifice, and Garrus was also dull because he was portrayed as being so straight and "young and by the book, despite secretly wanting to be rouguish" - the only thing that stopped him from being kaiden mark II was passing xenophilic interest (and i'm not talking in terms of romance possibility, though of course that ended up being so).

compare to ME2: miranda - beautiful, complicated and filled with contradiction, with probably the best loyalty mission in the game, and certainly one of the game's stand-out moments at the beginning of it; mordin - the conflicted scientist wrapped up in guilt over the genophage desperate to help people in his final years of atonement, thane the monkish assassin (ok also a bit of a cliche), but at least he had cool stories and a neat twist on photographic memory; legion - a true geth, with all that insight into a completely different form of existence, even from EDI. i could go on, but the only dud there was jacob.

now, sure maybe they could make ME1 characters better a la garrus in ME2, but who in their right mind wouldn't prefer the already-better ME2 characters iterated/expanded instead?

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 08 juillet 2011 - 02:45 .

[Melra]

I luv how some people state their opinions as facts. Remember, just because you think character x is better than character y, it's just your opinion. I hope VS gets proper amount of screentime and I am pretty sure he/she will, but it doesn't really matter to me yet. I want Miri to be there in proper ''quantity'' and quality. She's my Shepard's woman, after her role sounds good for me, then I can start thinking about the rest.

I personally don't really read up that much about other things, I don't want to get all hyped only to lose interest in whole game, because they screw up the Miri side of things.

[conrad winkles]

"I'm Commander Shepherd, and this is my favorite ass on the Normandy."

[Jebel Krong]

Melrache wrote...

I luv how some people state their opinions as facts. Remember, just because you think character x is better than character y, it's just your opinion.

assuming that's aimed at me: unlike other media, game development is pretty linear - sequels are invariably better than the first iteration in every area. with a company like BW that's especially the case, and goes for characters/characterisation as well. again: garrus compare ME1 to ME2 - which is the most interesting?

[Melra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I luv how some people state their opinions as facts. Remember, just because you think character x is better than character y, it's just your opinion.

assuming that's aimed at me: unlike other media, game development is pretty linear - sequels are invariably better than the first iteration in every area. with a company like BW that's especially the case, and goes for characters/characterisation as well. again: garrus compare ME1 to ME2 - which is the most interesting?

ME1 Garrus was better for me, but I liked almost all of the characters in ME1. Liara was bit... well she was sweet, but she lacked bit of ''umf'', but ME2 took it too far. Only characters in ME2, that I really liked were Miranda, Mordin and Kasumi. Others were just okey, for me.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
sequels are invariably better than the first iteration in every area.

*cough* DA2 *cough*

[Ieldra]

I wonder if there is as much correlation between people who like Miranda and those who like Mordin as it seems at times. My last analysis found no such correlation, but that's likely because *everyone* likes Mordin, so "I like Mordin" is a statement that doesn't contain a lot of information.