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[MisterJB]

Jynthor wrote...

So we are all back to downer mode today?
The good news didn't last long.

 Realizing Miranda has almost as much dialogue in ME3 as a squadmate.

Realizing most of it are different variations of the words "Oriana". D:

[AgitatedLemon]

jreezy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

So we are all back to downer mode today?
The good news didn't last long.

 Realizing Miranda has almost as much dialogue in ME3 as a squadmate.

Realizing most of it are different variations of the words "Oriana". D:

So is Cerberus, her father, or humanity in general not important to her story arc now?

Her father is dealt with. In ME3, it's not really the best time to worry about advancing humanity, while humanity and every other species is being wiped out.

Without saying too much, her father and the Cerberus arc are fairly intertwined.

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
@Melrache:
Which aspects of Miranda are important to you?

There's quite a few things, some that are just things that I appreciate in women in general. The reasons why I was attracted to ME and Miri in the first place, I've stated before. I like women who are competent, caring ( sure she doesn't show it often, but it's in her), smart and who have their own thing. The first part is especially important for me, since I hate the need for the brave princes that ride on their white steeds to save the day.

I can't really answer the question too well, somethings just "feel right" and I enjoy them without thinking too much why. Though in ME's case it might well be more about what I don't like about other LIs when compared to Miranda.

Hmm...I think Miranda will be that in ME3.

What I like most about her, apart from being competent and independent, is her drive to work for a goal bigger than herself and her consequentialism. Unfortunately, I am not seeing much of that. What I expected was that after her stuff with Oriana is done, she does something important to the outcome of the war. Which in a way, she does, only it's by accident so it doesn't really count.

[MisterJB]

I think if someone hadn't played ME2, they wouldn't know she used to be part of Cerberus.

[Avy DiSartori]

jreezy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

So we are all back to downer mode today?
The good news didn't last long.

 Realizing Miranda has almost as much dialogue in ME3 as a squadmate.

Realizing most of it are different variations of the words "Oriana". D:

So is Cerberus, her father, or humanity in general not important to her story arc now?

not important to her dialogues at least.. but then again, I think she is much more than her dialogues.. so I'm not that worried actually

Modifié par Avy DiSartori, 04 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[Ieldra]

jreezy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

So we are all back to downer mode today?
The good news didn't last long.

 Realizing Miranda has almost as much dialogue in ME3 as a squadmate.

Realizing most of it are different variations of the words "Oriana". D:

So is Cerberus, her father, or humanity in general not important to her story arc now?

*spoiler*She has a critical piece of information that advances the main plot. She also creates some headaches for Cerberus. The thing is, she comes by that more or less by accident, while she is busy - you guessed it - saving Oriana..*end spoiler* 

[MisterJB]

Avy DiSartori wrote...
not important to her dialogues at least.. but then again, I think she is much more than her dialogues.. so I'm not that worried actually

I won't deny that does certain impressives things.
However, to me, it matters a lot the why she does those things.
I would place a much greater value in Miranda destroying Cerberus (this is not a spoiler) because they perverted her ideals and are killing so many rather than destroying Cerberus because they threatened Oriana.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@jreezy
Cool story bro.

[Ieldra]

jreezy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I think if someone hadn't played ME2, they wouldn't know she used to be part of Cerberus.

That is a problem considering that was a very important aspect of her character.

She mentions she used to be the Cerberus second-in-command. Hey, was that a retroactive promotion or did we never know that about her in ME2?

[jtav]

Anybody mind if I type up what I would have done?

[desispark]

 

MisterJB wrote...

Avy DiSartori wrote...
not important to her dialogues at least.. but then again, I think she is much more than her dialogues.. so I'm not that worried actually

I won't deny that does certain impressives things.
However, to me, it matters a lot the why she does those things.
I would place a much greater value in Miranda destroying Cerberus (this is not a spoiler) because they perverted her ideals and are killing so many rather than destroying Cerberus because they threatened Oriana.

 

I've kind of gotten over the fact that she in't too involved with the whole Cerberus arc anymore. If she wants to spend her time worrying about her family more than taking them down, so be it. I'm still happy to do it lol.

Modifié par desispark, 04 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[desispark]

jtav wrote...

Anybody mind if I type up what I would have done?

I don't mind. The only thing is, you may get everyone even more dissapointed and all like "Damn, why didn't Bioware do that instead, it's so much better" lol

[Dr. Doctor]

From one standpoint I can understand Miranda not talking much about her ideals of advancing humanity in ME3, there's a war on after all, some things need to be put on hold.

What I'm conflicted over is the fact that most of her character revolves around Oriana, who either gets to keep playing the role of Miranda's Bezerk Button or develops into the character that some of us wanted Miranda to become. I could do the latter option but that requires me to do something that I'd rather avoid.

Considering what appears to happen to the galaxy post-ME3, humanity could definitely use someone with Miranda's vision. Sadly, we won't get to see that.

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I think if someone hadn't played ME2, they wouldn't know she used to be part of Cerberus.

That is a problem considering that was a very important aspect of her character.

She mentions she used to be the Cerberus second-in-command. Hey, was that a retroactive promotion or did we never know that about her in ME2?

I'm quite sure that she never said anything about being Cerberus second-in-command. She said Cerberus gave her the most important and difficult mission, but that doesn't mean anything more than she was one of the top operative.
The only hint, if you'd call that an hint, is that she's present in the same room with TIM, and discussing almost like an equal to TIM.

[Lacan2]

5 months ago I would have been very surprised if Miranda wasn't a squadmate. I got the impression she was one of the more popular characters in ME2 due to her looks, her usefulness in battle and her good voicecast.

Having played ME1 and finding the female love interests dull from a design and personality standpoint, at least Tali is still nailed on due to her popularity. Still, it would bug me greatly if the 2nd best romance in the series (for me) was left out.

Looks like there are hundreds of pages, what's the general consensus at this point?

Modifié par Lacan2, 04 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[Avy DiSartori]

MisterJB wrote...

Avy DiSartori wrote...
not important to her dialogues at least.. but then again, I think she is much more than her dialogues.. so I'm not that worried actually

I won't deny that does certain impressives things.
However, to me, it matters a lot the why she does those things.
I would place a much greater value in Miranda destroying Cerberus (this is not a spoiler) because they perverted her ideals and are killing so many rather than destroying Cerberus because they threatened Oriana.

I understand. But think about it, Miranda entered Cerberus not only due to their view of humanity. She also entered Cerberus to keep Oriana safe.. so It's like.. everything in her life is linked to Oriana, this isn't something new. I learned to accept that trait of her personality. Look at her responsability, she was the one who "rescued" Oriana from her father.. if anything happens to Ori, Miranda would blame herself forever.. she wanted to give her sister the chance to live a normal life, so she will do anything to make sure that happens.  and we are talking about Ms. Lawson here, anything really means ANYTHING.. at all costs..
And after she is done helping Oriana, there's nothing she can do to help Shepard actually, considering the amount of damage she inflicted to Cerberus while chasing her sister.. just my opinion though, I understand your point of view and how you wanted her to think about humanity and not about Oriana all the time.

[AgitatedLemon]

Lacan2 wrote...

Looks like there are hundreds of pages, what's the general consensus at this point?

The romance continuation is good.

Everything else is pretty much crap.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Anybody mind if I type up what I would have done?

PLease do so.

[Skullheart]

jtav wrote...

Anybody mind if I type up what I would have done?

Go ahead... we know it will be better than anything the BW chimps can write.

Modifié par Skullheart, 04 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Considering what appears to happen to the galaxy post-ME3, humanity could definitely use someone with Miranda's vision. Sadly, we won't get to see that.

I'm sure there will be fanfics about that. My big problem is that the easiest path to that is to choose one particular ending I dislike.   

[MisterJB]

Avy DiSartori wrote...
I understand. But think about it, Miranda entered Cerberus not only due to their view of humanity. She also entered Cerberus to keep Oriana safe.. so It's like.. everything in her life is linked to Oriana, this isn't something new. I learned to accept that trait of her personality. Look at her responsability, she was the one who "rescued" Oriana from her father.. if anything happens to Ori, Miranda would blame herself forever.. she wanted to give her sister the chance to live a normal life, so she will do anything to make sure that happens.  and we are talking about Ms. Lawson here, anything really means ANYTHING.. at all costs..
And after she is done helping Oriana, there's nothing she can do to help Shepard actually, considering the amount of damage she inflicted to Cerberus while chasing her sister.. just my opinion though, I understand your point of view and how you wanted her to think about humanity and not about Oriana all the time.

I agree that Miranda would place everything aside if it meant helping Oriana.
However, the plot is written by Bioware and they could have left Oriana out if they chose to. I wish they had.
 
I think Miranda's love for her sister is beautiful but I also miss the Miranda who, when questioned why she chose Cerberus instead of anything else, she did not speak of Oriana but rather of envying Mordin and the STG for their resources and freedom to acomplish the impossible.

[Avy DiSartori]

MisterJB wrote...

Avy DiSartori wrote...
I understand. But think about it, Miranda entered Cerberus not only due to their view of humanity. She also entered Cerberus to keep Oriana safe.. so It's like.. everything in her life is linked to Oriana, this isn't something new. I learned to accept that trait of her personality. Look at her responsability, she was the one who "rescued" Oriana from her father.. if anything happens to Ori, Miranda would blame herself forever.. she wanted to give her sister the chance to live a normal life, so she will do anything to make sure that happens.  and we are talking about Ms. Lawson here, anything really means ANYTHING.. at all costs..
And after she is done helping Oriana, there's nothing she can do to help Shepard actually, considering the amount of damage she inflicted to Cerberus while chasing her sister.. just my opinion though, I understand your point of view and how you wanted her to think about humanity and not about Oriana all the time.

I agree that Miranda would place everything aside if it meant helping Oriana.
However, the plot is written by Bioware and they could have left Oriana out if they chose to. I wish they had.
 
I think Miranda's love for her sister is beautiful but I also miss the Miranda who, when questioned why she chose Cerberus instead of anything else, she did not speak of Oriana but rather of envying Mordin and the STG for their resources and freedom to acomplish the impossible.

I agree 100% about Bioware's lazy writing here... they made many mistakes with character development, and Miranda's part is one of them.

[AgitatedLemon]

Avy DiSartori wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Avy DiSartori wrote...
I understand. But think about it, Miranda entered Cerberus not only due to their view of humanity. She also entered Cerberus to keep Oriana safe.. so It's like.. everything in her life is linked to Oriana, this isn't something new. I learned to accept that trait of her personality. Look at her responsability, she was the one who "rescued" Oriana from her father.. if anything happens to Ori, Miranda would blame herself forever.. she wanted to give her sister the chance to live a normal life, so she will do anything to make sure that happens.  and we are talking about Ms. Lawson here, anything really means ANYTHING.. at all costs..
And after she is done helping Oriana, there's nothing she can do to help Shepard actually, considering the amount of damage she inflicted to Cerberus while chasing her sister.. just my opinion though, I understand your point of view and how you wanted her to think about humanity and not about Oriana all the time.

I agree that Miranda would place everything aside if it meant helping Oriana.
However, the plot is written by Bioware and they could have left Oriana out if they chose to. I wish they had.
 
I think Miranda's love for her sister is beautiful but I also miss the Miranda who, when questioned why she chose Cerberus instead of anything else, she did not speak of Oriana but rather of envying Mordin and the STG for their resources and freedom to acomplish the impossible.

I agree 100% about Bioware's lazy writing here... they made many mistakes with character development, and Miranda's part is one of them.

I wouldn't even say development. They aren't really expanding or introducing anything new. They're just sort of going "Here guys, take loyalty mission 2.0 and be happy, now ****** off".