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[Alessar1288]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Considering what appears to happen to the galaxy post-ME3, humanity could definitely use someone with Miranda's vision. Sadly, we won't get to see that.

I'm sure there will be fanfics about that. My big problem is that the easiest path to that is to choose one particular ending I dislike.   

Good thing its the only ending I like.

[jtav]

I would actually leave most of her early dialogue unchanged and let her love for Ori be her greatest virtue/tragic flaw. But I would add a small discussion of Cerberus. If you destroyed the base, she's grateful she left in time. If not, she left when friends started disappearing. She's horrified, but it's clearly taking a back seat to Lawson family drama atm. Then Sanctuary happens. Miranda is a temp, with you from beginning to end. No Leng here. Miranda sees what Cerberus is doing firsthand and loses it. This is more than personal now. They have to be destroyed. You can nudge her toward Paragon/Renegade: Vengeance vs. acting as a Redeemer. Confrontation with Henry. He needles Miranda about not being so different from him. They're both visionaries who use people for their own ends, etc. Henry dies. Depending on your choices, Oriana could be overjoyed to see or repulsed by Miranda. Either way you get TIM's location and indoctrination data from the computer. Miranda joins the Normandy to help you take down TIM.

Romance scene occurs on the way to the base. TIM's not here, but there's more indoctrination data. Miranda can use it to give the troops a merciful death or put them under her control and make them War Assets. Leng shows up. Miranda can die here. If she lives, she commands substantial Cerberus assets. If you pushed her to be very Renegade, her final shot deliberately echoes TIM's mannerisms.

[AgitatedLemon]

Alessar1288 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Considering what appears to happen to the galaxy post-ME3, humanity could definitely use someone with Miranda's vision. Sadly, we won't get to see that.

I'm sure there will be fanfics about that. My big problem is that the easiest path to that is to choose one particular ending I dislike.   

Good thing its the only ending I like.

That ending is retarded too.

[Alessar1288]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Alessar1288 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Considering what appears to happen to the galaxy post-ME3, humanity could definitely use someone with Miranda's vision. Sadly, we won't get to see that.

I'm sure there will be fanfics about that. My big problem is that the easiest path to that is to choose one particular ending I dislike.   

Good thing its the only ending I like.

That ending is retarded too.

All endings are retarded, but its the one I like the most.

[Ieldra]

Lacan2 wrote...
Looks like there are hundreds of pages, what's the general consensus at this point?

As said before, romance content is good. Everything else has major characterization and storytelling issues. How much that will influence the overall impression depends on the visuals of scenes we don't know yet. Current judgment ranges between "not perfect but I can live with it" to "total crap" and "they destroyed her character". For me, there are two critical issues handled in a drastically unsatisfactory way.  

[AgitatedLemon]

Alessar1288 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Alessar1288 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Considering what appears to happen to the galaxy post-ME3, humanity could definitely use someone with Miranda's vision. Sadly, we won't get to see that.

I'm sure there will be fanfics about that. My big problem is that the easiest path to that is to choose one particular ending I dislike.   

Good thing its the only ending I like.

That ending is retarded too.

All endings are retarded, but its the one I tolerate the most.

fixed.

[Alessar1288]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Alessar1288 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Alessar1288 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Considering what appears to happen to the galaxy post-ME3, humanity could definitely use someone with Miranda's vision. Sadly, we won't get to see that.

I'm sure there will be fanfics about that. My big problem is that the easiest path to that is to choose one particular ending I dislike.   

Good thing its the only ending I like.

That ending is retarded too.

All endings are retarded, but its the one I tolerate the most.

fixed.

Hahaha pretty much, oh well can't have it all I guess. I'm not buying the game off the bat either way. I'm probably going to wait for a while.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I would actually leave most of her early dialogue unchanged and let her love for Ori be her greatest virtue/tragic flaw. But I would add a small discussion of Cerberus. If you destroyed the base, she's grateful she left in time. If not, she left when friends started disappearing. She's horrified, but it's clearly taking a back seat to Lawson family drama atm. Then Sanctuary happens. Miranda is a temp, with you from beginning to end. No Leng here. Miranda sees what Cerberus is doing firsthand and loses it. This is more than personal now. They have to be destroyed. You can nudge her toward Paragon/Renegade: Vengeance vs. acting as a Redeemer. Confrontation with Henry. He needles Miranda about not being so different from him. They're both visionaries who use people for their own ends, etc. Henry dies. Depending on your choices, Oriana could be overjoyed to see or repulsed by Miranda. Either way you get TIM's location and indoctrination data from the computer. Miranda joins the Normandy to help you take down TIM.

Romance scene occurs on the way to the base. TIM's not here, but there's more indoctrination data. Miranda can use it to give the troops a merciful death or put them under her control and make them War Assets. Leng shows up. Miranda can die here. If she lives, she commands substantial Cerberus assets. If you pushed her to be very Renegade, her final shot deliberately echoes TIM's mannerisms.

LOL, jtav, you've done it again - outlined a story arc that sounds more plausible than what we're getting. 100% within the paradigma of the ME games, using elements already present, presenting Miranda's major character traits and with opportunities for character development in two directions. Very nice.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[ThomGau]

jtav wrote...

I would actually leave most of her early dialogue unchanged and let her love for Ori be her greatest virtue/tragic flaw. But I would add a small discussion of Cerberus. If you destroyed the base, she's grateful she left in time. If not, she left when friends started disappearing. She's horrified, but it's clearly taking a back seat to Lawson family drama atm. Then Sanctuary happens. Miranda is a temp, with you from beginning to end. No Leng here. Miranda sees what Cerberus is doing firsthand and loses it. This is more than personal now. They have to be destroyed. You can nudge her toward Paragon/Renegade: Vengeance vs. acting as a Redeemer. Confrontation with Henry. He needles Miranda about not being so different from him. They're both visionaries who use people for their own ends, etc. Henry dies. Depending on your choices, Oriana could be overjoyed to see or repulsed by Miranda. Either way you get TIM's location and indoctrination data from the computer. Miranda joins the Normandy to help you take down TIM.

Romance scene occurs on the way to the base. TIM's not here, but there's more indoctrination data. Miranda can use it to give the troops a merciful death or put them under her control and make them War Assets. Leng shows up. Miranda can die here. If she lives, she commands substantial Cerberus assets. If you pushed her to be very Renegade, her final shot deliberately echoes TIM's mannerisms.

Damn it jtav, why don't you work for BW ? It's grayer than what we actually have in the game, I like it.
What about TIM ? I'd like him to be present, that way Miranda, Shepard and himself can have an ex boss/employee reunion.

Modifié par ThomGau, 04 mars 2012 - 08:14 .

[MisterJB]

It sounds a lot better than what we are getting. That's for sure.

[Ieldra]

Slightly OT, but here's a short list of good and bad things about the game by someone who either played it or watched more gameplay footage than I've seen:

http://social.biowar...7/index/9617624

Thought it would be a good idea to get away from our narrow Miranda focus for a few moments to see that some parts of the game are actually good. Main bad point: lots of auto-dialogue and lack of dialogue options. Roleplaying will definitely be very limited.

[Alex Arterius]

jtav wrote...

I would actually leave most of her early dialogue unchanged and let her love for Ori be her greatest virtue/tragic flaw. But I would add a small discussion of Cerberus. If you destroyed the base, she's grateful she left in time. If not, she left when friends started disappearing. She's horrified, but it's clearly taking a back seat to Lawson family drama atm. Then Sanctuary happens. Miranda is a temp, with you from beginning to end. No Leng here. Miranda sees what Cerberus is doing firsthand and loses it. This is more than personal now. They have to be destroyed. You can nudge her toward Paragon/Renegade: Vengeance vs. acting as a Redeemer. Confrontation with Henry. He needles Miranda about not being so different from him. They're both visionaries who use people for their own ends, etc. Henry dies. Depending on your choices, Oriana could be overjoyed to see or repulsed by Miranda. Either way you get TIM's location and indoctrination data from the computer. Miranda joins the Normandy to help you take down TIM.

Romance scene occurs on the way to the base. TIM's not here, but there's more indoctrination data. Miranda can use it to give the troops a merciful death or put them under her control and make them War Assets. Leng shows up. Miranda can die here. If she lives, she commands substantial Cerberus assets. If you pushed her to be very Renegade, her final shot deliberately echoes TIM's mannerisms.

I like the sounds of this a lot

The whole taking Miranda along with you and letting her see the evil things Ceberus are doing and then seeing her reaction to this which could lead her to a possible emotional break down could have been a very emotional and moraly interesting element of the game.

I would much rather this be her role in ME3 thenanything Bioware is offering us at present tbh

It's a shame nothing like this has been implimented.

[Legion64]

I like the idea of having sex before taking down the man you hate most.

[jtav]

The thing is, by making her 2IC, you force yourself to have her confront the ethical dimension or risk turning her into a moral monster. "I just wanted to protect my baby sister" no longer cuts it.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

The thing is, by making her 2IC, you force yourself to have her confront the ethical dimension or risk turning her into a moral monster. "I just wanted to protect my baby sister" no longer cuts it.

Well, obviously, if you think about it, yeah, she would need to have some sense of responsability for her involvement with the organisation. Both for what it did then, and what it's doing now.

The way the role is written simply evacuates all of that stuff, of course. So, it's poorly written and though out, imo. I could get on board with a Miranda who wants to take down TIM's Cerberus, permanently, or one who wants to reform the organisation.

But writing the character as if, for all intents and purposes, none of that stuff ever happened, and as if none of the stuff happening in ME3 is remotely her responsability (when of course it is), is not something I can get on board with.

Modifié par flemm, 04 mars 2012 - 09:14 .

[jtav]

flemm, remember all those times you called me too pessimistic...

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

flemm, remember all those times you called me too pessimistic...

Yep. Every last one

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

The thing is, by making her 2IC, you force yourself to have her confront the ethical dimension or risk turning her into a moral monster. "I just wanted to protect my baby sister" no longer cuts it.

Having Miranda justify the fact that she allowed Cerberus to commit atrocities all in the name of giving her a normal life would be interesting. Perhaps make her come off as a benevolent Mr. Lawson, I wonder how Oriana would react to that.

[Lacan2]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Lacan2 wrote...

Looks like there are hundreds of pages, what's the general consensus at this point?

The romance continuation is good.

Everything else is pretty much crap.

Wait, is she a regular squadmate or not? 

That's my only concern. I've looked through dozens of pages and google searches to find the answer and can't.

Modifié par Lacan2, 04 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[jtav]

No, not even a temp.

[Lacan2]

jtav wrote...

No, not even a temp.

lolwhat? 

Wow, epic failure if true

[cbutz]

It's sad that im more dreading this game than am excited for it.

[Alex Arterius]

jtav wrote...

No, not even a temp.

So during her "mission" what exactly is she doing? Is she with Shepards party and just an NPC? Or completely seperate from him?

[Skullheart]

Completely separate from him.