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[MisterJB]

I was referring to how there is a mutual promise before the endgame.

Modifié par MisterJB, 05 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

I was referring how there is a mutual promise before the endgame. That, they payed attention to.

Possibly.

[jtav]

Her not being the central figure in the fight with her father is just stupid.

[Shepherd10]

jreezy wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@jreezy
Cool story bro.

Go to the Ashley thread bro, at least you don't excessively utter a three word phrase over there.

Yeah seriously, what the heck is this guys problem? It's like he's looking for a reason to pick a fight with everyone.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Her not being the central figure in the fight with her father is just stupid.

Indeed. Basically, Miranda's involvement in ME3 amounts to a confrontation with her father that is differed until late in the game. Apparently, that "confrontation" is entirely lacking in substance and is therefore pointless.

Thus, the whole thing is pointless

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Shepherd10
Shut up it was a joke and it's over now. Its nothing that concerns you

[cbutz]

If that is the case, the incompetence of the writing makes Blizzards writers look good...and that is not good.

[jtav]

I was right. I was exactly right. She's there to die and/or be romanced.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I was right. I was exactly right. She's there to die and/or be romanced.

So it would seem, yes. Mostly die in ME3, I guess. I've been reluctant to agree that this was the main focus, but apparently it is. Her involvement makes no sense narratively in the scenario where she survives. But it does, a little bit, if she dies. Not in a way that I like at all, of course. But the whole thing makes slightly more sense from that point of view.

Modifié par flemm, 05 mars 2012 - 02:03 .

[cbutz]

Is it possible that we analyzed the line and actions of Miranda too closely, creating something that was never there, something that Bioware never intended to be there. Perhaps the person this thread has been debating about never really existed in any of those forms...Bioware just created someone with enough depth to gather interest but enough blank slate for everyone to connect their own perceptions of her on her. Or it is what weve been saying all along

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

I was right. I was exactly right. She's there to die and/or be romanced.

What? Did something new surface?

[flemm]

cbutz wrote...

Is it possible that we analyzed the line and actions of Miranda too closely, creating something that was never there, something that Bioware never intended to be there. Perhaps the person this thread has been debating about never really existed in any of those forms...Bioware just created someone with enough depth to gather interest but enough blank slate for everyone to connect their own perceptions of her on her. Or it is what weve been saying all along

Well, that character did exist. All kinds of interesting things could have been done with Miranda in ME3. The fact that they didn't do any of them doesn't change that.

It does make the wasted potential all the more appalling, though

MisterJB wrote...
What? Did something new surface?

No, it's just the most valid interpretation of what we know.

Modifié par flemm, 05 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[jtav]

No, but thank about it. She offers nothing other than 25 points. No new options, no insight into Cerberus, not even closure with her father. She could be excised without any trouble.

[cbutz]

@ flemm:
Yea I agree with you. I was trying to rationalize why Bioware has doen with what thye ahve done. It just really boggle my mind about how many times they have dropped the ball with her. It could have been really easy too but ....I don't know... I guess it is true. Bioware is telling us "You chose wrong."

Edit: But it is what it is.. I'll just play the game, make my own judgements and move on from there. If it turns out that I do not like the story, or if it feels liek they ruined the universe,  I just won't buy from Bioware anymore simple as that. Wouldn't be the first company I have stopped buying games from and Bioware is not immune to that possibility either.

Modifié par cbutz, 05 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[jtav]

Anybody mind if I just blithely ignore canon and do something with that wasted potential? Anything beats being Stuffed into the Fridge.

[flemm]

cbutz wrote...

@ flemm:
Yea I agree with you. I was trying to rationalize why Bioware has doen with what thye ahve done. It just really boggle my mind about how many times they have dropped the ball with her. It could have been really easy too but ....I don't know... I guess it is true. Bioware is telling us "You chose wrong."

I guess. I've resisted that idea for quite a while, but the facts are against me.

Even if her survival does have an asset value attached to it (which is still possible, I guess, given that there are some assets out there that don't really seem to have a source at the moment), it's clear that this wasn't the focus of her involvement.

The scenario where she survives appears to be borderline nonsense, actually. She's on Sanctuary, then on the Citadel again, I guess, for a dialog. Then part of the ground forces on earth... What? By herself?

It's lol-worthy, really.

Modifié par flemm, 05 mars 2012 - 02:38 .

[Shepherd10]

YoCalio wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

YoCalio wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

I'm picking up my copy midnight tomorrow (monday) I'll wait til then. I think I spoiled myself enough. haha.

Same. Gamestop called me and said 10. Fine with me.

Yep! Same here.  They don't want me to forgot my game.  They are pretty persistant. 

Why I have this sinking feeling that they're going to give away my CE, I don't know paranoia I guess

You and me both.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

You're so bipolar jtav.

[husky husk]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

You're so bipolar jtav.

Cool story bro.

[Fasty1]

man just heard traynor talked and i think miranda's and her accent are my two favorite in game.

[Sully_47]

For the romance , does Shepard and Miranda have any dialogue before the final battle? if shes a ground force and sheps Doing some crazy **** It would be nice to talk to her before we possibly die

[jtav]

Yes, you do. I misted up just reading it. The romance is VERY good, to give credit where it's due.

[Skullheart]

She's just dissappointed. Miranda had great potential to do great things. Instead of that they didn't even take the best path with her mission (no dialogue with her father) and her contribution are merely 25 points (nothing related to Cerberus).

Other character grew betwen ME2 and ME3, and Miranda only changed for worst.

I0m starting to hate Liara with the "you don't know how much you changed her" and she being the future of humanity. LIES LIES LIES.

Modifié par Skullheart, 05 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[flemm]

Sully_47 wrote...

For the romance , does Shepard and Miranda have any dialogue before the final battle? if shes a ground force and sheps Doing some crazy **** It would be nice to talk to her before we possibly die

It's not 100% clear, but she seems to be on earth somewhere, but not with Shepard. So, ground forces, I guess. But she's not leading any forces into the battle, so why she doesn't join Shepard on the Normandy is anyone's guess.

Shep doesn't have the option to ask her to join up after her mission. You can ask at the beginning, at which point she says she would love to, but she has to deal with her father/Oriana first. So, once that's dealt with, Shepard apparently forgets. Or something.

It's not very coherent.

Modifié par flemm, 05 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[MegaBadExample]

jtav wrote...

Yes, you do. I misted up just reading it. The romance is VERY good, to give credit where it's due.

Have you got a link handy? Or a youtube video?