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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Well the Blue Bar does look Forty Percent-Ish, but Wow, how can I possibly have 100% Paragon Already?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

So Basically the Paragon/Renegade Ratio is like a Balanced Scale? In my case, since I have more Paragon and almost to Zero Renegade, the Paragon is 100%, until I get more Renegade (Which I MOST LIKELY will NOT).

For Example, I have 100% Paragon, but then I receive 25% Renegade, then the Paragon will Drop to 75%, right?

What if I only have FULL Paragon and Zero Renegade throughout the ENTIRE Game?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 07 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[goofyomnivore]

Is the last convo with her on Sanctuary?

I know I answered this in PM, but in case anyone else is wondering. No you get one more after that. I think it is all auto dialogue though.

As for my conversation videos. I have no idea what happened to my flag.The only thing I can think of that would of messed it up is I flirted with Traynor and got turned down(I knew she was a lesbian, I just wanted to see someone turn Shepard down).

Oh well I'm starting a NG+ playthrough. I'll be sure to just suggest playing chess this time hah.

[mranderson25]

I gotta say, I'm enjoying the game immensely so far. Just finished the first Miranda convo and she mentions leaving the Illusive Man, she mentions she had something to take care of but she doesn't want Shep's help yet (she's still independent), and she says she wanted to visit but couldn't and asks if Shep still wants her in his life....overall, I think it's been pretty well done.

Do I want more? Well sure, but in keeping of the style of this game, Miranda's fits well (so far.) I mean...the mission with Jack was just awesome, and running into Kasumi on the Citadel was fantastic too, especially when I thought she died!

[Traestus]

strive wrote...

Is the last convo with her on Sanctuary?

I know I answered this in PM, but in case anyone else is wondering. No you get one more after that. I think it is all auto dialogue though.

As for my conversation videos. I have no idea what happened to my flag.The only thing I can think of that would of messed it up is I flirted with Traynor and got turned down(I knew she was a lesbian, I just wanted to see someone turn Shepard down).

Oh well I'm starting a NG+ playthrough. I'll be sure to just suggest playing chess this time hah.

Wait you got another after the final one on Sanctuary? When and where? I beat it early today and I never saw her again after she pointed me at the cerberus base

[flemm]

Traestus wrote...

Wait you got another after the final one on Sanctuary? When and where? I beat it early today and I never saw her again after she pointed me at the cerberus base

It's a vidcom conversation.


****Mild spoilers below****




Apparently you need to go see the communications officer in one of the buildings in resistance headquarters. There you can contact Miranda and some other characters (haven't done this yet myself).

Modifié par flemm, 07 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[Traestus]

Oh. Yeah I spent a while actually looking for people during that section. Sigh, time to replay the end again.

[Ieldra]

mranderson25 wrote...
I gotta say, I'm enjoying the game immensely so far. Just finished the first Miranda convo and she mentions leaving the Illusive Man, she mentions she had something to take care of but she doesn't want Shep's help yet (she's still independent), and she says she wanted to visit but couldn't and asks if Shep still wants her in his life....overall, I think it's been pretty well done.

Do I want more? Well sure, but in keeping of the style of this game, Miranda's fits well (so far.) I mean...the mission with Jack was just awesome, and running into Kasumi on the Citadel was fantastic too, especially when I thought she died!

The first scene is nice, that's right. But compare her scene with those of the team members and the other characters on the Normandy, then you'll see the difference.

Also, did anyone notice there's a plethora of ass shots again? Not as drastic as "the" ass shot, but still. Grr....

[AxisEvolve]

Ahhh... I made Miranda cry within a minute of seeing her for the first time in ME3. Feels bad.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Also, did anyone notice there's a plethora of ass shots again? Not as drastic as "the" ass shot, but still. Grr....

Yes, and it's incredibly irritating.


What's good about the first scene, imo, is that the character's mindset feels right. She has a number of different things on her mind, including Cerberus, the Reapers, Shepard, and (for the moment still in the background), the whole issue of Oriana and her father.

That's where the balance should be, but that balance disappears as the game progresses.

There's really no reason why this should happen, given the way the mission intersects with the Cerberus plot, and given how easy it would be to transition away from the personal issues once they are resolved. This is even hinted at in the initial dialogue (which is another good thing about it).

Modifié par flemm, 07 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

This was a Screenshot I took Last Night:wub:.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 07 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
What's good about the first scene, imo, is that the character's mindset feels right. She has a number of different things on her mind, including Cerberus, the Reapers, Shepard, and (for the moment still in the background), the whole issue of Oriana and her father.

That's where the balance should be, but that balance disappears as the game progresses.

Indeed. In that moment I could believe it's Miranda. After that, things slowly go to hell. There are hugely annoying things in the control chip conversation, and in Sanctuary there isn't much left of the Miranda I once knew. Cerberus? The state of the galaxy? Zip. And her pragmatism, which shines through in the first conversation, turns into heavy-handed moralizing in the control chip conversation. It's appropriate that she regrets wanting that chip, but...."confess"? "Destroying your free will"? Miranda would never have put things in those terms. Who the hell is this impostor?
.

There's really no reason why this should happen, given the way the mission intersects with the Cerberus plot, and given how easy it would be to transition away from the personal issues once they are resolved. This is even hinted at in the initial dialogue (which is another good thing about it).

The reason is pretty clear. They wanted to write a redemption/death story, as evidenced by how hard it is to keep her alive. That's why all controversial elements have been removed from her motivations. Most players won't see her survive, and so she has no content at all after Sanctuary except the bare minimum they grudgingly created for those who romanced her. We can count ourselves lucky that she doesn't say things like she's been wrong for the last 20 years, so at least our headcanons can repair the damage to some extent. But they did their best to castrate her, and yet again, a morally grey woman (it's always the women) isn't allowed to survive unless being castrated and turned generic and safe. Damn it. I'm beginning to despise popular entertainment and its thrice-damned moral fundamentalism with female characters. Why is Jack Bauer acceptable but never Jane Bauer? Double standards.

Sorry for the rant. Berserk button issues.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[spirosz]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

This was a Screenshot I took Last Night:wub:.

That's a great SS, thanks for posting! 

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The reason is pretty clear. They wanted to write a redemption/death story, as evidenced by how hard it is to keep her alive.

Indeed. Moreover, as jtav points out in the group, her real role is simply to be Leng-fodder.

The rest is just window dressing that is probably only there because they didn't feel they could avoid it. But it is a paper-thin veil. (The early story drafts support this, by the way, as the Sanctuary scene is the only one that's there, the rest is emails).

I'm not sure if they really thought this would not be obvious. But anyway, it is.

Modifié par flemm, 07 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't want Miri to die in My Play Through. Do you realize how Devastating it would be for me if she did die?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 07 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[jtav]

I'm not going out of my way to kill her, but I've a suspicion she'll die for me. And the thought doesn't upset me.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm not going out of my way to kill her, but I've a suspicion she'll die for me. And the thought doesn't upset me.

You know why I'll never play a game where she dies? Because I feel I'd buy into the intended story. I'd feel as if I betrayed her. Really weird, I know.   

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
I'm not sure if they really thought this would not be obvious. But anyway, it is.

It is to us. As for the general public, I'm not so sure.

[jtav]

Well, actually the reason I think she'll die for me is that it takes me a game or two to get the hang of Persuade. So, I may not have much choice. Just like I know Matt will die and the best I can hope for is hitting 3k.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know why I'll never play a game where she dies? Because I feel I'd buy into the intended story. I'd feel as if I betrayed her. Really weird, I know.   

Agreed. When they wrote this role, they bowed to every asinine cliche in the book. Some of them are less blatant, no doubt, than they might otherwise be, if the writers didn't feel somewhat constrained by the romance and other factors.

jtav, you know your stuff in the story tropes department. You're also really, really negative a lot of the time (don't mean that as a criticism, it just tends to be the case :happy:)

But you know what? Basically every single lamentable cliche that you feared would be implemented in the game is there. Pretty much every single damn one. I had to see it to believe it. Some slightly covered up, but they are all there. Unbelievable.

Ieldra2 wrote...

It is to us. As for the general public, I'm not so sure.

And that is the service we provide, free of charge

Modifié par flemm, 07 mars 2012 - 11:25 .

[jtav]

Do you know why I'm so negative? This isn't my first fandom. Long experience has taught me that things are almost always how they look (again, in fandom) and that pinning your hopes solely on the writer's being talented is a set up for pain. I suppose the question is: what now? Am I going to get run out for ignoring this and speaking of her as if she were still the character I fell for?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I can't play a game series where I have a Love Interest in the Second Part, only to have her die in the Final Part. NO! There is NO fun in this. NONE! I want her alive.

An Update on My Shepard's Stats:



This is a NEW Screenshot which I just Made about A Minute Ago.
I just Completed the Grissom Academy Mission, and the Sur'Kesh Mission, and I can't tell the Amount of Reputation Points I have Right Now.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 07 mars 2012 - 11:41 .

[jbajcar]

Miranda didn't die in my playthrough, haha. Ps- really hate seeing Liara in my flashback. Like honestly...I hate that character and she would be the last person my Shepard would flashback on as I'm dying.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Am I going to get run out for ignoring this and speaking of her as if she were still the character I fell for?

I really doubt it

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Do you know why I'm so negative? This isn't my first fandom. Long experience has taught me that things are almost always how they look (again, in fandom) and that pinning your hopes solely on the writer's being talented is a set up for pain. I suppose the question is: what now? Am I going to get run out for ignoring this and speaking of her as if she were still the character I fell for?

Definitely not.

I say point everyone who doubts you to Shadow War. There's the perfect balance. I believe almost everyone here would love how you portray Miranda there and also love the happy ending.

I say Miranda still is the character we fell for. This mangled version they present us with is a caricature, twisted by the writers' desire to have a victim for Kai Leng and to drop the anvil about how having worked for Cerberus can only be redeemed by death - or conversion to what the writer thinks is moral. Or both.

I say theirs is less real than ours.