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[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I say theirs is less real than ours.

Well, they're probably about equally real.

But one is certainly more interesting than the other

The utter lameness of what's in the game is truly breathtaking, as far as the character's *story* (to the extent that term is even appropriate) is concerned.

Modifié par flemm, 08 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[jtav]

You could actually do a decent redemption story without changing much. Any decent person would be undergoing some serious self-reflection if they were in Miranda's shoes. A "My God What Have I Done" moment is appropriate. She helped build Cerberus; now she must help it burn. You wouldn't have to increase the size of her role. And the fight with Leng makes even more sense because it's old Cerberus vs. new. And whether Miranda's redemption ends in death is in your hands.

Because right now, it fails as even a redemption story. She's too good and the control chip incident lasted less than a minute.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Any decent person would be undergoing some serious self-reflection if they were in Miranda's shoes.

Agreed. Which is one reason why the absence of any dialogue at all where Miranda reflects on her time at Cerberus (still having a hard time believing this is actually the case) is so ridiculous. She didn't only work there, she was devoted to the cause (as she understood it), and was high up in the organisation.

So, you can do a story where Miranda's understanding of her work and the organisation's true nature have evolved to the point where she regrets her past involvement and works to destroy what remains (not my favorite scenario, but a credible choice). OR you can do a scenario where her goal is to reform Cerberus into the organisation she always thought it should be ("That wasn't Cerberus, not really."), which is my favorite scenario, and the more interesting choice.

But you cannot credibly do a story where Miranda acts as if her past involvement with Cerberus never happened,  she has nothing to say about it, and feels no responsability for what the organisation has become (or, perhaps, always was).

Whoever wrote Kelly did a better job with this in a single dialogue than Miranda's writer did in 4 or 5.

Modifié par flemm, 08 mars 2012 - 01:08 .

[Kate815]

I got the second email from Miranda and the map tells me she's in the Spectre office, but I can't find her! Is it a glitch?

Nevermind! Just realized you talk to her on the computer.

Modifié par Kate815, 08 mars 2012 - 01:20 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

When do I have the Romance Scene?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 mars 2012 - 01:22 .

[jtav]

And it makes it fail as a redemption story. What she's doing has no connection to what she feels bad about. If, say, she learned Cerberus/Henry was engaged in robbing people of free will on a mass scale and was determined to atone for nearly doing the same on a small scale, that would be a redemption story. You could also do some more stuff with her wondering how much like Dad she is.

We're no longer talking about me not getting what I want. What we have is objectively bad from a structural standpoint.

[SNascimento]

Well, I liked Miranda's role in ME3... but I was very diappointed with her not being there when I took the Illusive Man base... she should have played EDI's role in that mission.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm STILL having TROUBLE Understanding the Reputation System. If it's the Bar that Appears and Grows (Either Blue Or Red), then WHY is it Split Between Blue or Red?

Will I have Enough Reputation to Save Miri from dying with My Blue Bar Full ONLY? Will I be Able to Save Miri While ONLY on the Paragon Path WITH The Blue Bar at Maximum?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[flemm]

SNascimento wrote...

Well, I liked Miranda's role in ME3... but I was very diappointed with her not being there when I took the Illusive Man base... she should have played EDI's role in that mission.

Agreed. Concretely, this is the most glaring omission, and its inclusion would have resolved a lot.

Modifié par flemm, 08 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[SNascimento]

flemm wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Well, I liked Miranda's role in ME3... but I was very diappointed with her not being there when I took the Illusive Man base... she should have played EDI's role in that mission.

Agreed. Concretely, this is the most glaring omission in my mind, and its inclusion would have resolved a lot.

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Well, we can't get everything we want.
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What I'm hoping now for is a DLC where we can control (everytime I write this word now I'll remember the Illusive Man) her in her infiltration of Sanctuary. 
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I don't think it's likely but it has enough in it to be possible. 

[jtav]

EDI is in some ways a substitute Miranda. Celebrity VA playing a variation on her best known role. EDI takes up the Cerberus connection and has a ruthless streak. I quite like EDI. Mostly just observation.

[SNascimento]

jtav wrote...

EDI is in some ways a substitute Miranda. Celebrity VA playing a variation on her best known role. EDI takes up the Cerberus connection and has a ruthless streak. I quite like EDI. Mostly just observation.

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I love EDI! And you can't be more right. She even has Miranda loyal outfit! 

[snfonseka]

I don't know whether you guys/ girls have discussed this already. But for me her ME3 face is not that good as ME2. I wonder if anyone feel the same about this?

Modifié par snfonseka, 08 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[SNascimento]

snfonseka wrote...

I don't know whether you guys/ girls have discussed this already. But for me her ME3 face is not that good as ME2. I wonder if anyone feel the same about this?

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I thought it was improved.... 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri looks as Gorgeous as Ever:wub:!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[snfonseka]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Miri looks as Gorgeous as Ever:wub:!

Yea, in this pic she looks nice.

[flemm]

SNascimento wrote...

I thought it was improved.... 

I thought so, too, marginally.

[Massamo]

so guess my reputation bar is good to save her

Modifié par Massamo, 08 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[iRAWRasaurusREX]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Miri looks as Gorgeous as Ever:wub:!

And thats why i decided to leave ash for good 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Massamo wrote...

so guess my reputation bar is good to save her

Wait, so the Blue IS the Reputation Bar? Good. I'm MORE than Half Way already, and I'm STILL in Act 1.

[Massamo]

red and the blue are reputation bar both added into one this time

[MisterJB]

I imagine that if, say, the only way to save her is to threaten her father but, up until that point, Shepard has gained a Reputation for being a Goody Two Shoes, the player fails the Reputation Check.

[Tallis Lucienis]

So I take it there is no romance scene between Miranda and Shepard after Sanctuary?

[Roxpanda1690]

I just finished the Game and I'm not sure how a feel o.o