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[flemm]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Ahh.. Is there a guide on how to save Miranda?

No, not yet. We haven't figured out all the variables yet.

Did you warn her about Leng and trust her with the Alliance resources? Those are two things that seemingly might impact her survival, besides having enough rep to persuade.

Modifié par flemm, 08 mars 2012 - 11:18 .

[enayasoul]

ThomGau wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

I know that she tells Shepard that "When this is over...Find me." And Shepard responds "I promise." That scene is very touching and I suppose I didnt realize this until now but Miranda is not really one for mushy love scenes, she has never been enamored like this before and she makes that evident. I suppose her telling him she wants him, makes love with him and tells him to find her is her way of saying "I love you Shepard."

Shepard is the first man she ever felt that way about and ever trusted so it's easy to understand why those words are never spoken but it's understood regardless. Though still, there is a lot lacking in this romance plot that I wish were there. They should have spent more time on it but in the least she has the most face time among ME2 Squad mates.

I am happy however that the relationship is continued...Look at what happened to Jacob Taylor. Talk about a "Screw you FemShep."

Agreed, if Shepard doesn't see she is deeply in love with him he is an idiot and vice versa.

There is indeed a lot lacking in this romance, to me, firstly a conversation after the romance scene. If I were Shepard I would be like "Wait, what the hell game ? why are you kicking me out ? I didn't want to leave Miranda just yet"

This!

[AxisEvolve]

flemm wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Ahh.. Is there a guide on how to save Miranda?

No, not yet. We haven't figured out all the variables yet.

Did you warn her about Leng and trust her with the Alliance resources? Those are two things that seemingly might impact her survival, besides having enough rep to persuade.

I think so. My Shepard auto-dialog warned her but I had no option to do so..

I gave her the Alliance resources..

I used paragon on her Father but... still she didn't make it.

[flemm]

AxisEvolve wrote...

I used paragon on her Father but... still she didn't make it.

Well, it could be that the break-up is a factor then. That's another thing we're not sure about.

[AxisEvolve]

flemm wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

I used paragon on her Father but... still she didn't make it.

Well, it could be that the break-up is a factor then. That's another thing we're not sure about.

Yeah I broke up with her...

That might be it..

Pretty lame.

[ThomGau]

So Miranda send me a third e-mail but I don't think I'm gonna meet her right away.
Normally I would be thrilled but I just know how few exchanges we have with her that I want them to be equally intervaled so I can enjoy them more.

Will it have any outcomes if I wait for a bit before meeting her ? I don't think so but you never know...

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...
Will it have any outcomes if I wait for a bit before meeting her ?

Unknown. Doesn't really seem like it, but I guess it's possible that, past a certain point, the meeting is no longer available, or something along those lines.

[ThomGau]

That's what I thought, thanks flemm. I'll do one or two main missions before seeing her.

From IGN : "Having a relationship with Miranda will allow her to survive the Priority: Cerberus Headquarters mission."
So I guess the romance may play its part in Miranda's survival. I'll check this on the official guide when I receive it.

[cboyll]

So Im kind of confused i romanced Miranda in ME2 and I try to re-kindle it in ME3, but when i get to her 3rd dialog no romance options come up. I don't get it did i maybe screw something up in ME2. ive already turned down Ashley and Liara for her so idk. Everything seemed cool In the first and second Dialogs with Miri anyone have any tips?? In the 3rd dialog instead of asking her to kiss him my option is just "thanks, but it's OK" can i still romance her in the future or was that my only shot?? Cause i dont want her to die and all.

Modifié par cboyll, 09 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...
So I guess the romance may play its part in Miranda's survival. I'll check this on the official guide when I receive it.

Well, I think somebody already mentioned that the strategy guide suggests something similar. The wording is somewhat different in the two cases. It seems that having a relationship is not necessary, as some players have had Miranda survive while unromanced. But it is possible that the break-up makes it impossible for her to survive.

Or it might just make it harder. It seems there are quite a few factors. Not sure, for example, if maybe the Renegade interupt still works when the Persuade options don't. It may take a while to iron this all out.

In passing, it seems ridiculously complicated. Sheesh.

Modifié par flemm, 09 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[ThomGau]

I believe having her romanced may make it easier.
I'm surprised to see that BW implemented so much variables for a mere ME2 character's survival.

Modifié par ThomGau, 09 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...
I'm surprised to see that BW implemented so much variables for a mere ME2 character's survival.

Especially given that they also implemented it in such a way that her survival has no practical significance at all.

It's really bizarre

[jtav]

Because they *really* want her to die.

[flemm]

*sigh*

They also must want you to be right about everything, to the point that I'm beginning to suspect that they read your portents of doom in order to design the game.

It's actually a bit on the ridiculous side 

Modifié par flemm, 09 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[jtav]

Sorry. But I think it's true. She's popular enough that a forced death isn't a great idea, so they make you jump through hoops to survive. Kinda like Mordin.

[ThomGau]

Indeed, you would think that her survival would bring a good amount of WA points or a significant role (TIW ) but no.

@jtav : someone at BW must hate her with a passion.

Modifié par ThomGau, 09 mars 2012 - 12:20 .

[jtav]

And I'm not enjoying this, except for wanting to gloat to a few people who called me a whiner. I'd much rather have had egg on my face while you all pointed and laughed.

[flemm]

The comparison with Mordin doesn't really work, though, I will add, because Mordin's death makes certain things possible that aren't possible otherwise.

Whereas Miranda's survival or lack thereof is actually completely irrelevant, at least so far as anyone has been able to ascertain. So, anyway, jtav, you were absolutely right about a lot of this stuff, but even in your most pessimistic moments, I think you actually came up a bit short.

Wow

Modifié par flemm, 09 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[jtav]

The comparison was with the difficulty of survival. Wrex and Eve must bith be dead and you must destroy the cure. So, difficult.

But, yes, I expected her to matter and for her survival of the SM to affect something. That it doesn't is galling.

[Roxpanda1690]

AxisEvolve wrote...

flemm wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Ahh.. Is there a guide on how to save Miranda?

No, not yet. We haven't figured out all the variables yet.

Did you warn her about Leng and trust her with the Alliance resources? Those are two things that seemingly might impact her survival, besides having enough rep to persuade.

I think so. My Shepard auto-dialog warned her but I had no option to do so..

I gave her the Alliance resources..

I used paragon on her Father but... still she didn't make it.

Huh that's odd I did all of that and she was fine o.e 

[J-Reyno]

I just want to say, as a Miranda fan, that I was very pleased with her role in the game. She is my main Shep's LI and I thought that considering she wasn't a squadmate, she had a great amount of screentime. I don't think it matters whether her dying or living makes a huge difference. So many variables in this game are, ultimately, inconsequential. But I enjoyed the conclusion to the romance and even the final conversation with her was pretty damn great.

Miranda was my main concern coming into ME3 and I'm pleased.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Can someone please tell me how to save Miranda

[Roxpanda1690]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Can someone please tell me how to save Miranda

I think give her resources stay faithful/ don't brake up with her, warn her about Kai Leng which should happen on it's own and yeah confront her father not sure if renegade or paragon effect the out come I choose paragon and she was fine of course not in this order I was just putting what I believe maybe the factors to whether Miranda survives not sure if it's true...

Modifié par Roxpanda1690, 09 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[flemm]

Reyno411 wrote...
I don't think it matters whether her dying or living makes a huge difference. So many variables in this game are, ultimately, inconsequential.

Well, the returning squad members in ME3 provide either significant war assets (faction leader or equivalent) or impact the plot in a specific way that doesn't occur otherwise. This actually goes back to the way ME2 was designed, where you were keeping your team alive to make your life better in ME3. This also applies to "might be dead" characters like Kelly Chambers, though the impact tends to be less consequential.

This is a good system, because it makes the characters' survival seem consequential (which is certainly a large part of why it was implemented this way).

Miranda is seemingly the exception in the sense that her death in the SM has no such impact. There may be a rationale for it, but it escapes me at the moment. It's not an accident, though, as the design is too systematic for that to be the case.

Modifié par flemm, 09 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[AxisEvolve]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Can someone please tell me how to save Miranda

Apparently you need to romance her? I hope there's another way... It seems so pointless. "You didn't sleep with her so she's gonna die now!".