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[enayasoul]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And ANOTHER thing about the Synthesis: I'm not comfortable with it. You work and struggle so dann hard in the Storyline, Falling In Love and Finding ways to Destroy the Reapers to find bring freedom to the Galaxy, only to find that ALL life in the Galaxy, Including our Beloved Miri, become Bio Synthetic? Individuality will be gone. Miri would have Synthetic Glows on her body and Green eyes. Mutated. And the Relays would be gone. It's a NICER Way of saying that the Reapers STILL win.

Exactly.  I will never pick that one or the control.  It's too much like what Saren (synthesis), TIM(control) wanted. Destroy is the only option my maleshep will take.  He'll do whatever it takes to kill the reapers.  Isn't war is all about what the characters sacrificed to get there.  Legion sacrificed himself for peace... I destroyed the heretics and kept the cure and destroyed the collector base.  So why would my maleShep want to join them or control them?  How do you know the catayst isn't controlling Shepard? The boy said they were already controlling the illusive man and all the others before them.  

I think Shepard was the strongest one of them all. The last hope for earth.  I'm aiming for the 5000 mark.  I want to save MaleShep and Anderson if I can be done.  

Has anyone played through the game twice for this "secret ending"? 

[enayasoul]

And if you remember what Miranda says in Mass Effect 2. "I keep my promises." Miranda will survive. So male Shepard will damn well keep his promise to her. *roar* "We're not done."

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

OT: Why is the "Synthesis" Ending the Canon? Why was the fate of ALL life to become Bio-Synthetic? There would be SO MANY who wouldn't want such a fate. I don't think that Miri would want to be Half-Machine. I think it's a terrible fate. It is against the whole: to destroy the Reapers and restore Galactic Freedom. Why didn't BioWare create a "Destroy" Ending WITHOUT destroying the Relays?

And another thing: WHAT is the whole significance of Joker and the Normandy Crew stranded on a Remote Planet?

[outmane]

jtav wrote...

Does anyone else think what they did with Henry was interesting? He's Miranda's dark mirror. The intellectual brilliance, desire/ability to do the impossible, and to help humanity are traits Henry and Miranda share. In Miranda, they're checked by a basic decency and are good things. Henry perverts them, but they're still there. If Miranda were to go bad, Henry is what would happen. I imagine turning into Henry is something Miranda is terrified of and may be part of the reason she stayed away from Ori. What if she abused her sister like she was abused?

I found it intresting that instead of the 'im rich and i dont have time for you' persona, they went for the mad scientist type. Its a good surprise cause it doesnt retcon him but gives something to think about and a new light on his relationship with Miranda. As for how it could have affected Miranda, I see some potential for some emotinal manipulation.

'I was able to make you, how can you think I wont be able to create something great with 'horrible experiment no37' ?

Would Miranda abuse her sister in the same way? Im not a big fan of romancing miranda but I still think she would never do that. She prefers to go save her sister then help Shepard with saving humanity. That tells it all. Maybe before ME2 she was afraid it would happen and thats why she stayed away. She doubted herself. But the way I see her in ME3, she is overwelmed by the how big the task of saving humanity would be. She's used to having a team, some control and structure. And she feels responsible for what her father did, for not having stopped him before.

[enayasoul]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

OT: Why is the "Synthesis" Ending the Canon? Why was the fate of ALL life to become Bio-Synthetic? There would be SO MANY who wouldn't want such a fate. I don't think that Miri would want to be Half-Machine. I think it's a terrible fate. It is against the whole: to destroy the Reapers and restore Galactic Freedom. Why didn't BioWare create a "Destroy" Ending WITHOUT destroying the Relays?

And another thing: WHAT is the whole significance of Joker and the Normandy Crew stranded on a Remote Planet?

Who says the Relays couldn't be rebuilt? But would you want to? Liara's father seemed to know about how? or talked about it at least.  After everything that's happened we hoped we learned something. 

My brother mentioned something to me tonight talking about the game.  He said he saw the leaves with circuits on them?  Do we really want to be part machine/part human or whatever race?  That again is saying/suggesting that we've become the dominant race in the galaxy.   Protheans? Dominant.  Reapers? destroy and take the best of the race for ascension.  Rinse and repeat.  Wouldn't it be better to just end them for once?  End the cycle.



  

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

enayasoul wrote...

And if you remember what Miranda says in Mass Effect 2. "I keep my promises." Miranda will survive. So male Shepard will damn well keep his promise to her. *roar* "We're not done."

I said "No Promises" in ME2. I Love the hug:wub:. I will Promise her in London via Vidcom:wub:.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 12 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[hurricaneez2]

t3HPrO wrote...

I just found this pic while tumblring, and let's just say it's possibly the most honest advertising for Mass Effect 3 ever.



EDIT: Also...these.

Strong work my friend....strong work.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

People are saying that the WHOLE Citadel and Ending Sequences may  have been a Hallucination. It makes sense to me because THOSE events that happen are COMPLETELY Contrast to the Rest of the Series. What if Shepard is still on Earth, but unconscious? What is that was a Dream Sequence: I Mental Battle Between Shepard and Harbinger? I mean, isn't it weird that Harbinger shot down Shepard before Shepard transported himself to the Citadel, and then comes Scenes that don't fit correctly to the rest of the Game and the rest of the Series, ESPECIALLY the Endings?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 12 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[jtav]

@outmane I think she'd rather die than hurt Ori, but I think the fear that she would would be very real and make her overcautious.At least in ME2.

[outmane]

jtav wrote...

@outmane I think she'd rather die than hurt Ori, but I think the fear that she would would be very real and make her overcautious.At least in ME2.

Yup. That seems to be why she stays away from Oriana in ME2.

But in ME3 with Miranda losing (temporarly) all her assests, Oriana becomes somewhat the embodiement of humanity.

'If i cant save them all, i can at least save her' kind of deal.

Its the only reason i can find for such a pragmatic woman to abandon Shep and humanity to go running for her sister (she's wise enough to figure out what she/her is doing is the best thing for humanity and she would know her skills would be useful at assembling all races together).

I'm also thinking she feels guilty for what her father and Cerberus n general is doing and migh think its her job to stop them, cause she has been fooled by them. Miranda doenst like to be fooled.

Modifié par outmane, 12 mars 2012 - 04:12 .

[Skullheart]

hurricaneez2 wrote...

t3HPrO wrote...

I just found this pic while tumblring, and let's just say it's possibly the most honest advertising for Mass Effect 3 ever.

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EDIT: Also...these.

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Strong work my friend....strong work.

And so true.

[jbajcar]

oh man, these forums are just cracking me up these days. I wonder if Bioware even suspected that this would happen.

[Dr. Doctor]

enayasoul wrote...

Who says the Relays couldn't be rebuilt? But would you want to? Liara's father seemed to know about how? or talked about it at least.  After everything that's happened we hoped we learned something. 

My brother mentioned something to me tonight talking about the game.  He said he saw the leaves with circuits on them?  Do we really want to be part machine/part human or whatever race? 

I chose the destroy ending because of what the Reapers ultimate purpose was. Creating peace between the Quarians and Geth proves that synthetics and organics can coexist. The Guardian admitted that his plan wouldn't work anymore, so if he's wrong about his "solution" who's to say that he can't be wrong about civilization inevitably destroying itself?

To paraphrase Legion the Reapers don't create consensus they impose it on others. Destroying them means that while we still run the risk that we may one day destroy ourselves, reach technological singularity, or whatever other future that may come it will be one of our own choosing. The closest equivalent I can come up with is the Self-Destruct Ending of Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

Does anyone else think what they did with Henry was interesting? He's Miranda's dark mirror. The intellectual brilliance, desire/ability to do the impossible, and to help humanity are traits Henry and Miranda share.
In Miranda, they're checked by a basic decency and are good things. Henry perverts them, but they're still there.

Granted, I have yet to play ME3  and thus, any expeculation from me about Henry could be entirely wrong. Still, I feel that it is important to make a distinction between the origins of these traits.
In Miranda, the will to advance humanity seems to derivate from a desire to justify her own existence. However, ultimately, her work is about the other humans. It is enough for her to know that she used ehr abilities for the greater good.
With Henry, what fuels is work is his own vanity. He doesn't just want to save human lifes, he wants to be seen as the savior of the human race. Naturally, this leads to apathy on how much other sentient beings have to suffer for him to get what he wants.
 
This difference between father and daugther could actually be a result of his abuse during Miranda's childhood. What if, instead of destroying her sense of self-worth, Henry had taugth Miranda that she was superior to all other humans? That they were the objects to be used and discarded in pursuit of a goal?
How different would Miranda be?

outmane wrote...

But in ME3 with Miranda losing (temporarly) all her assests, Oriana becomes somewhat the embodiement of humanity.

'If i cant save them all, i can at least save her' kind of deal.

Its the only reason i can find for such a pragmatic woman to abandon Shep and humanity to go running for her sister (she's wise enough to figure out what she/her is doing is the best thing for humanity and she would know her skills would be useful at assembling all races together).

I disagree with this particular point. I believe that it's more of a case of Miranda's love for Oriana being, at the same time, one of Miranda's best and worst characteristics.
Miranda might know that she would be more useful elsewhere. However, she is selfish enough to abandon Earth if that is what it takes to keep Oriana safe.

[HK-90210]

MisterJB wrote...
Miranda might know that she would be more useful elsewhere. However, she is selfish enough to abandon Earth if that is what it takes to keep Oriana safe.

She's on Earth as part of Hammer's forces in the finale. You can talk to her through the communications tech.

[MisterJB]

At which point Oriana is already as safe as she will ever be. Henry, Harper and Leng are all dead and if the Reapers return to Horizon, Miranda wouldn't be able to save Oriana by herself.

[Tallis Lucienis]

-SPOILERS-

Doesn't DESTROY decimate the Geth and other Synthetic life forms life EDI?

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
If I choose Synthesis, Humanity would be mutated. Miri would be mutated and lose her Individuality. All life would. I bet the transition is slow and painful too. What is the Point in the Synthesis?

That's just nonsense. Watch the epilogue. For all intents and purposes, Joker, EDI and the other team member who step out of the Normandy are still very much themselves. The Synthesis is presented as a good ending, in fact, the only one that permanently solves the problem. After having seen a relationship form between Joker and EDI, having seen what happens to the geth (trying to avoid specific spoiler here), would you really believe that a transformation of life giving organics and synthetics some of each others' traits is something creepy and undesirable? Clearly not.

So my headcanon has Shepard come back from the Synthesis to reunite with Miranda. I can't stand Destroy and resent the fact that I'd need to choose an ending I dislike to make him survive.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Does anyone else think what they did with Henry was interesting? He's Miranda's dark mirror. The intellectual brilliance, desire/ability to do the impossible, and to help humanity are traits Henry and Miranda share. In Miranda, they're checked by a basic decency and are good things. Henry perverts them, but they're still there. If Miranda were to go bad, Henry is what would happen. I imagine turning into Henry is something Miranda is terrified of and may be part of the reason she stayed away from Ori. What if she abused her sister like she was abused?

Yes, I noticed that. Rather different from what I expected, and more interesting. This also connects nicely with the control chip conversation. Depending on what exactly that control chip was supposed to do, it may have been forgiveable or not, but Miranda was skirting the line there.

[Melra]

@Tallis: Yes, it does. Not sure what's so bad about it, rather that than have everyone turn into something that isn't human.

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And ANOTHER thing about the Synthesis: I'm not comfortable with it. You work and struggle so dann hard in the Storyline, Falling In Love and Finding ways to Destroy the Reapers to find bring freedom to the Galaxy, only to find that ALL life in the Galaxy, Including our Beloved Miri, become Bio Synthetic? Individuality will be gone. Miri would have Synthetic Glows on her body and Green eyes. Mutated. And the Relays would be gone. It's a NICER Way of saying that the Reapers STILL win.

You've looked at too many H.R.Giger pictures. Saren's vision was that people would have "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither". The Reapers used these ideals and twisted them into something horrible. That's what indoctrination does. It doesn't mean the ideals themselves are bad.

I think that physical improvement and the ability to be more aware of yourself are among those things the Synthesis might bring to organics, while the ability to relate to others on an emotional level is among those things the Synthesis might bring to synthetics. It's all very interpretable, but while the explanation of how the Synthesis is effected is laughable, it's still presented as a good thing. It isn't "The Reapers have won". Had they won, what's left of humanity would exist in Reaper form and be enslaved to help continue the cycle.

So, yes, I'm fine with Miranda changing. She'll still be herself, only better. She'll still love, she'll still be competent and independent, she'll still be beautiful. Don't be deceived by knee-jerk reactions of "We will become like the Borg". That's not at all what this is about.

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And ANOTHER thing about the Synthesis: I'm not comfortable with it. You work and struggle so dann hard in the Storyline, Falling In Love and Finding ways to Destroy the Reapers to find bring freedom to the Galaxy, only to find that ALL life in the Galaxy, Including our Beloved Miri, become Bio Synthetic? Individuality will be gone. Miri would have Synthetic Glows on her body and Green eyes. Mutated. And the Relays would be gone. It's a NICER Way of saying that the Reapers STILL win.

You've looked at too many H.R.Giger pictures. Saren's vision was that people would have "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither". The Reapers used these ideals and twisted them into something horrible. That's what indoctrination does. It doesn't mean the ideals themselves are bad.

I think that physical improvement and the ability to be more aware of yourself are among those things the Synthesis might bring to organics, while the ability to relate to others on an emotional level is among those things the Synthesis might bring to synthetics. It's all very interpretable, but while the explanation of how the Synthesis is effected is laughable, it's still presented as a good thing. It isn't "The Reapers have won". Had they won, what's left of humanity would exist in Reaper form and be enslaved to help continue the cycle.

So, yes, I'm fine with Miranda changing. She'll still be herself, only better. She'll still love, she'll still be competent and independent, she'll still be beautiful. Don't be deceived by knee-jerk reactions of "We will become like the Borg". That's not at all what this is about.

That's matter of an opinion. Please don't start forcing stuff on people again.

[Tallis Lucienis]

Melrache wrote...

@Tallis: Yes, it does. Not sure what's so bad about it, rather that than have everyone turn into something that isn't human.

Yes but your destroying and killing trusted allies, species you worked hard to free like the Geth or EDI. How could you justify that?

I'm thinking really hard upon Synthesis and Control. I think Miranda would understand why Shepard would choose Control...Even if it led to Shepard's death. It was what must be done to save the Galaxy. 

[shepskisaac]

Finished the game. There's absolutely no doubt Miranda (and other ME2 squadmates) are in London when speaking with Shep via hologram so Miri and Jackmancers should be happy! It means Shep ain't separated from these 2

[mereck7980]

IsaacShep wrote...

Finished the game. There's absolutely no doubt Miranda (and other ME2 squadmates) are in London when speaking with Shep via hologram so Miri and Jackmancers should be happy! It means Shep ain't separated from these 2

Not to mention the fact that if you pick the Destroy ending there is a very good chance that someone with Miranda's expertise (bringing Shepard back from near death) would be invaluable to any headcannon continuation of their relationship.  

This wouldn't be possible if Miranda were not in the Sol system during the endgame.