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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

My Wallpaper!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 12 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Ieldra]

Tallis Lucienis wrote...
This is why I agree with the general consensus there needs to be a "**** you Guardian" paragon choice where you need MAXIUMUM war assests, MAXIMUM Reputation and either MAXIMUM Renegade/Paragon and destroy the Reapers without consequences to the galaxy, it could lead to your death but hey at least you did not sacfirice your morality and morales to get there.

As opposed to Destroy, the Synthesis and Control do not require me to sacrifice my morality. I do not have this intuition that the Reapers must be "punished" or that any kind of retribution is necessary. They did what they were made for, tools. If you want, take Control and imagine that Shepard flies them into a black hole after assuming control. Or not. As for the Synthesis, the interesting fact is that the Reapers leave on their own. I imagine the collective consciousness of the enslaved Reaperized species will be somewhat grateful for having been freed from the Catalyst's control. Remember, the Reapers - I would call them the Old Machines after the Synthesis, since they don't reap anymore - aren't one species. Each is a nation. This just opens so many interesting possibilites as well as physical improvement of the post-Synthesis species. The universe will be an interesting place. 

Damn....I don't have ME3 Miranda screenshots yet because I played my first game with enabled subtitles. Ah well. I'm just glad that Miranda is still awesome, even if it's offscreen.

[jtav]

I'm in awe that I liked her role as much as I do. With the omissions, it should fail, but I liked it. Part of it's comparison to Jack, Thane, and Jacob, but not all.

What I really appreciated was that her shift toward Paragon didn't cause much of a personality shift. She's warmer with a romance Shep, but it's mostly expressed through playfulness. And she's more confident. The game allows her to keep some of her swagger, even if she can also joke about not being perfect. She can end broken, but she doesn't have to. She can be awesome.

[Dr. Doctor]

My issue with the Synthesis is that Shepard's making the choice for all organic life, they have no choice in the matter. Control keeps the cycle intact and means that the Reapers will still dictate the ultimate fate of civilization Destroying the Reapers gives the galaxy a chance to determine its own fate.

As for the Reapers being merely tools, I think of them like the Borg. I don't personally care about their grand plan, they massacre entire civilizations, they decree that it is in our nature do destroy ourselves and impose their vision of the future upon us. The line must be drawn here. This far, no further.

[wright1978]

Have to say i found Miranda's role deeply disappointing. It felt utterly tacked on to me. There were a couple of moments during the romance dialogue that were good but that was about it. Headcanon to the rescue.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

 The line must be drawn here. This far, no further.

Captain Picard's words are sound. They are accurate for my intentions. "The Line must be drawn here! This far, NO further! And I will make them PAY for what they've done!"

The Reapers killed many. NOT ONE MORE!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 12 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[Skullheart]

A better ending should be Anderson taking Shepard's place in the control ending. Saying something like "You already have done enough Shepard. Your're still young, and the galaxy will needs you after this. Let me take care of this."

[jtav]

Or Shep coming back after Synthesis. How awesome and romantic would that be?

And I think I've changed my mind on the CB decision. How can I resist a Miranda who cheerfully and confidently admits she's a dangerous enemy?

[jtav]

And now for the obvious, unanswerable question: what next for Miranda?

[Prudii Aden]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

My issue with the Synthesis is that Shepard's making the choice for all organic life, they have no choice in the matter. Control keeps the cycle intact and means that the Reapers will still dictate the ultimate fate of civilization Destroying the Reapers gives the galaxy a chance to determine its own fate.

As for the Reapers being merely tools, I think of them like the Borg. I don't personally care about their grand plan, they massacre entire civilizations, they decree that it is in our nature do destroy ourselves and impose their vision of the future upon us. The line must be drawn here. This far, no further.

I was hoping to get an ending on that theme, and all I saw were the three different flavours of explosion, and the implied apocalypse of a multitude of Mass Relays blowing up and wiping out multiple star systems.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm in awe that I liked her role as much as I do. With the omissions, it should fail, but I liked it. Part of it's comparison to Jack, Thane, and Jacob, but not all.

What I really appreciated was that her shift toward Paragon didn't cause much of a personality shift. She's warmer with a romance Shep, but it's mostly expressed through playfulness. And she's more confident. The game allows her to keep some of her swagger, even if she can also joke about not being perfect. She can end broken, but she doesn't have to. She can be awesome.

And...she may be more Paragon, but she's also still pragmatic. Says the Alliance is inflexible, which is proven by the last email. You can almost feel that Alliance officer being miffed by having to accept her help. A private team of badass operatives can do what Alliance teams were unable to achieve. Talk about sticking your tongue out at them while cheerfully helping out against a common enemy. Love it.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Or Shep coming back after Synthesis. How awesome and romantic would that be?

Utterly romantic. Add your scenario of physical perfection being one side effect of the Synthesis - a kind of ascension that doesn't make you lose your humanity - and it's one of my favorite scenarios in stories featuring romance.

And I think I've changed my mind on the CB decision. How can I resist a Miranda who cheerfully and confidently admits she's a dangerous enemy?

I haven't changed my mind about it, but I might be able to play a game with a destroyed CB with Arkay Shepard, Infiltrator. I just need to replay the SM, LotSB and Arrival. 

[Melra]

Yvonne Strahovski ‏ @Y_Strahovski
So how's the Mass Effect 3 coming along then?

I am sure she'd appreciate feedback from those with Twitter account. I thought she improved from the last game.

[jbajcar]

jtav wrote...

And now for the obvious, unanswerable question: what next for Miranda?

Would love some sort of DLC involving her buuuut that's probably not going to happen.

[Mr Plow]

jtav wrote...

And now for the obvious, unanswerable question: what next for Miranda?

Nothing - it's the end.  An inconclusive, unsatisyfing end.  I doubt there will be DLC involving her. Only fan fiction for those so dedicated to do so

[mnomaha]

Excuse me Miri lovers...

We, meaning Jacob and Thane fans, are in the process of making a facebook page to show our disappointment at the treatment of our LI's.

Just thought I would let you know.

[Jynthor]

Just did Sanctuary, from what I heard I was expecting some complex and hard choices to make in order to save Oriana and Miranda, but I got there just kinda selected the red text and everyone lived happily ever after.

At least seeing Miranda again was pretty good.

[Ieldra]

Jynthor wrote...
Just did Sanctuary, from what I heard I was expecting some complex and hard choices to make in order to save Oriana and Miranda, but I got there just kinda selected the red text and everyone lived happily ever after.

At least seeing Miranda again was pretty good.

Yeah, the Sanctuary confrontation may be emotionally satisfying, but is sadly lacking in content. I think they didn't want to touch any controversial issues.

Phew, I should stay here. The ending debate is getting really ugly, even by BSN standards. At least here we can agree that Miranda is awesome.

[jtav]

Though I pity Miranda without headcanon. I cost her Ori and Matt. Christ...

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Though I pity Miranda without headcanon. I cost her Ori and Matt. Christ...

Is there anyone who cares about a specific character and doesn't use headcanon?

I believe I once said I'd let the galaxy burn to let Miranda and Cyrus be together. I recall you having said the same, right? Now that I have the chance of making a very similar choice, I find myself reluctant to take the repugnant option if I can headcanon my way out of others so easily.

[Td1984]

jtav wrote...

Or Shep coming back after Synthesis. How awesome and romantic would that be?

And I think I've changed my mind on the CB decision. How can I resist a Miranda who cheerfully and confidently admits she's a dangerous enemy?

She says that if you destroyed the CB right?

@Ieldra
I originally was also more than willing to let the galaxy burn if it meant Thomas & Miranda could be together. But after seeing what exactly that option entails, I can't possibly bring myself to ever select it.

Modifié par Td1984, 12 mars 2012 - 11:58 .

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

Yvonne Strahovski ‏ @Y_Strahovski
So how's the Mass Effect 3 coming along then?

I am sure she'd appreciate feedback from those with Twitter account. I thought she improved from the last game.

Yeah I've already sent a message. I said that there is not enough Miranda in ME3 and that she did an excellent VO once again.

[Rathias0114]

I can't stand the synthesis ending. It's a pathetic cop out by those who can't gather the balls to make a dangerous decision.

Also, why does everyone think that EDI dies if you take the destroy ending? Am I wrong when she is not synthetic being in origin - but in control of one? How does destroying her form destroy her? As for Joker's happiness.. Screw him. Has he sacrificed as much as Shepard has? No. He's a pilot in love with a computer. He can get over it. It's not like thier relationship would breed anything besides them talking to each other.

Destroy is the only logical ending and keeping my own Shepard alive has nothing to do with my choice. Humanity's survival should be it's own. If we get ended by AI then so be it. That is our fate to decide. Control keeps the cycle going. Which means 50,000 years later - the exact same thing again. Reapers coming back. Harvesting. Over and over. Synthesis.. Ugh. Pathetic cop out by Bioware. Synthesis is the only reason I hate the ending.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Though I pity Miranda without headcanon. I cost her Ori and Matt. Christ...

Is there anyone who cares about a specific character and doesn't use headcanon?

I believe I once said I'd let the galaxy burn to let Miranda and Cyrus be together. I recall you having said the same, right? Now that I have the chance of making a very similar choice, I find myself reluctant to take the repugnant option if I can headcanon my way out of others so easily.

I did. But I couldn't do it. I was tempted when I heard the last conversation. But Matt already allowed the quarians to be wiped out. Allowing the geth to be destroyed compounds his failure. So, he believes in the cycle. Synthesis is his atonement, the chance to say "never again." He hopes Miranda understands.

[jtav]

Td1984 wrote...

She says that if you destroyed the CB right?

Turns out it's non-romance exclusive.