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[UltraBoy360]

hi, have just ventured into the thread after completing the game. i had NO idea Miranda could survive. i ended out relationship regretfully in or first meeting for RP reasons. is this what causes her death ? planning a second play through soon and would like to avoid, any help would be much appreciated

[TomY90]

UltraBoy360 wrote...

hi, have just ventured into the thread after completing the game. i had NO idea Miranda could survive. i ended out relationship regretfully in or first meeting for RP reasons. is this what causes her death ? planning a second play through soon and would like to avoid, any help would be much appreciated

It depends on your paragon/renegade points and your reputation bonus.

i.e. go all paragon or all reneagde and do as many of the side missions as possible to increase that bonus and you can save Miranda.

but thats a general rule of thumb I have with mass effect games never be inbetween go all out and do side missions where possible because it makes life so much more easier

Modifié par TomY90, 13 mars 2012 - 11:06 .

[flemm]

UltraBoy360 wrote...

hi, have just ventured into the thread after completing the game. i had NO idea Miranda could survive. i ended out relationship regretfully in or first meeting for RP reasons. is this what causes her death ? planning a second play through soon and would like to avoid, any help would be much appreciated

It seems that she cannot survive if you choose the "break up" option. But you can choose the "nothing has changed" option, then romance somebody else (thereby over-riding the Miranda romance flag), in which case she apparently can survive.

You also have to warn her about Leng, trust her with the alliance resources and have sufficient rep to persuade (or you can interrupt).

Modifié par flemm, 13 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[jtav]

ninja'd

Anybody care to speculate on why they did that to her? It seems unnecessarily harsh consequences, and I'm not just saying that because I really want to romance Steve.

Modifié par jtav, 13 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Anybody care to speculate on why they did that to her?

Eh, not really. There's kind of a lot of variables involved with Miranda surviving, and not much happens if she lives. So, I guess, for whatever reason, the death scenario is what the writers were interested in. Thus, it is fairly easy for that to happen.

Modifié par flemm, 13 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[jtav]

One does get that sense. I find the survival scenario just good enough to avoid being upset. Well, that and Thane is always murdered by Leng if you so much as talk to him.

[Tallis Lucienis]

Meant as a punch in the face. To make hunting Kai Leng that much more important, as well as his death. To establish his violence and skill. Thane and Miranda were two of the best and most skilled Operatives in the galaxy in Mass Effect 2. Leng killing both makes him the Ultra bad ass in Mass Effect 3 (Even though I stomped on him with ease)

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
I find the survival scenario just good enough to avoid being upset. Well, that and Thane is always murdered by Leng if you so much as talk to him.

Well, in point of fact, the death scenario appears to be the preferred/emphasized scenario for four of the more prominent ME2 characters: Miranda, Thane, Mordin and Legion.

All the scenarios vary a bit, but there may have been a point where some people just got nominated for that type of role. With Miranda the romance is involved because they know a lot of people will import with that flag, making it worth messing around with in a couple of different ways (helps her survive if you're committed, produces a tear-jerker if you stop trusting her after a while, breaking up has consequences, etc.). So, I guess that might explain it.

[jtav]

Think the possibility of her survival might be somehow related to the pointlessness of her death? Though I think I would prefer a heroic, if unavoidable, sacrifice to her death being used solely to make the player hate the bad guys.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Think the possibility of her survival might be somehow related to the pointlessness of her death?

Eh, hard to say. If anything, her survival seems to be designed to reflect the idea that, the more you like her/trust her/want to stay with her, the more likely it is for her to survive. So, the thinking there may be that, now that you are back with the Alliance, you might be inclined to abandon/stop trusting her, whereas if you don't do that, good things tend to happen.

As to the pointlessness, Miranda may have survived in such a high percentage of games that her doing something important when she's there was perceived as sufficient. I don't like that aspect of it, obviously. But there it is.

Modifié par flemm, 13 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[spirosz]

So how is Miranda's romance in ME3? Is she also on the bad end of all the ME2 romances?

Modifié par spiros9110, 13 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Skullheart]

spiros9110 wrote...

So how is Miranda's romance in ME3? Is she also on the bad end of all the ME2 romances?

She get less than the characters on the Normandy but more than Jack, Thane and Jacob. But still is dissappointed to see her love scene is a black screen.

[hurricaneez2]

spiros9110 wrote...

So how is Miranda's romance in ME3? Is she also on the bad end of all the ME2 romances?

  

I actually liked the romance with Miranda in ME3...although it was far to short. Very sweet and obviously loving.

   

[flemm]

@jtav, I will add that the whole thing is really weird, though. Obviously, as a fan, there are a lot of things I wanted to see in this game that I'm not going to see. But beyond that, I do think it is definitely strange, objectively speaking, that Miranda would end up having so little impact in ME3.

Especially given that she's actually in the game quite a bit. So, whatever. This is something I'd like to get some answers to eventually, because I do think it's odd.

Modifié par flemm, 13 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[jtav]

What *is* it with people and the fade to black? After the disaster that was the engine room scene, I'll cheerfully take fade to black.

[Tallis Lucienis]

She is the focus of ME2 romances being that she is one of the cover characters but she is sidelined in ME3 as a romance compared to those like Ashley/Kaidan and Liara. But she also has the best romance and most face time out of all ME2 characters/squad mates/LI's. Not bad but I suppose not perfect either. Then again as Miranda herself hath kinda stated

"What is perfect?"

[Ieldra]

TomY90 wrote...

UltraBoy360 wrote...

hi, have just ventured into the thread after completing the game. i had NO idea Miranda could survive. i ended out relationship regretfully in or first meeting for RP reasons. is this what causes her death ? planning a second play through soon and would like to avoid, any help would be much appreciated

It depends on your paragon/renegade points and your reputation bonus.

i.e. go all paragon or all reneagde and do as many of the side missions as possible to increase that bonus and you can save Miranda.

but thats a general rule of thumb I have with mass effect games never be inbetween go all out and do side missions where possible because it makes life so much more easier

Nono. Sticking to Paragon or Renegade doesn't matter at all. You can have 50/50 and be fine (another thing I like about ME3).. Just have a high enough reputation. Should be easy if you talk with everyone and do their sidequests.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

What *is* it with people and the fade to black? After the disaster that was the engine room scene, I'll cheerfully take fade to black.

Well, my concerns are mostly elsewhere. But it's obvious that little time and essentially no resources were used to implement Miranda's romance scene, so that is enough to be a bit irksome.

It's not really my priority, but of course I'd have liked something more elaborate.

Modifié par flemm, 13 mars 2012 - 11:45 .

[Tallis Lucienis]

But if you consider the nature of their relationship and the character of Miranda and Commander Shepard it is a very appropriate romance.

[Little Red Corvette]

Has anyone read The Fourth Option on fanfiction. net by CommandoCucumber? Definitely a good substitute to the ending. And it's got Miranda in it, which makes it a million times better.

[Tallis Lucienis]

Little Red Corvette wrote...

Has anyone read The Fourth Option on fanfiction. net by CommandoCucumber? Definitely a good substitute to the ending. And it's got Miranda in it, which makes it a million times better.

Link? Miranda in it as...a Romance?

[Little Red Corvette]

http://fanfiction.net/s/7910822/1/
I think that's right, if not it's because I'm on my iPod, but ya a romanced Miranda.

[t3HPrO]

Wow...people are still posting here. I'm amazed. With that being said, I'm probably going to play a series of Forever Alone Sheps who get it on with nothing but their hands just so neither Miri nor Jack has to end up with a dead boyfriend/girlfriend.

F*ck you Bioware. Thanks for not making any effort to actually write the damn story.

P.S. Mass Effect 3 never happened. Mass Effect 2 is the end of the series.

Modifié par t3HPrO, 14 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Tallis Lucienis]

Little Red Corvette wrote...

http://fanfiction.net/s/7910822/1/
I think that's right, if not it's because I'm on my iPod, but ya a romanced Miranda.

It's very well written. I favorited it. I can't wait for the writer to continue. Very well done indeed.

[jtav]

I have a rather lengthy (1k) excerpt I'd like feedback on. Interested?