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[flemm]

t3HPrO wrote...

Wow...people are still posting here.

Sure, why not?

There's plenty to talk about, though not all of it good, obviously.

jtav wrote...

I have a rather lengthy (1k) excerpt I'd like feedback on. Interested?

By all means 

Modifié par flemm, 14 mars 2012 - 02:11 .

[jtav]

I did warn you about the length.

The boy—the Catalyst, Matt corrected himself—watched him silently with transparent eyes, as if he were waiting. Christ, it actually meant to let him make this choice. Pain fled to be replaced by a numb horror. It was one thing to choose to sacrifice the Destiny Ascension or to destroy the Collector Base. Those had been tactical calculations of risk versus reward. This was deciding the fate of all life everywhere. No one person should ever make that call.

“If you do not choose, the battle will continue. All you love will perish. She will perish."

Miranda. No. He had already lost too many. Tali. Mordin. Thane. Legion. He wouldn't lose her as well. She was all he had left. "I can still save her, right?"

"If you choose now."

No getting out of it then. He looked to his right. A few shots at the tubing were all it would take to destroy the Reapers once and for all. This war that had consumed him, that had pushed out his art and nearly pushed out Miranda, would at last be over. He would come back to her and honor his promise. They would build a life together. He would paint her as she deserved. Just a few shots.

And the destruction of all synthetic life. No more EDI. No more geth. Matt inhaled, and fire spread through his chest. "Shepard-Commander, I must go to them.“ To destroy the geth now, just as awareness was beginning to dawn, would be genocide. The Butcher of Torfan would be a butcher in truth. And EDI, who was falling in love for the first time and to whom Matt owed his life for thousands times over. Gone with no more effort than it took to squeeze the trigger. No, Anderson had been wrong. Destroying the Reapers was not the way.

His eyes fell on the device the Illusive Man had planned to use to control the Reapers. There was power there, if the Catalyst was right. But it was the power of a lonely god cut off from all human concern. Miranda's voice echoed in his head. "I told myself that I was doing it for humanity, but installing that chip would have allowed me to control you the way Father wanted to control me. What a bloody hypocrite I was.” And domination wasn’t the answer here either, was it? He was an ordinary man. The Reapers might rebel against him before he even started. Or he might go as mad with power as Henry Lawson.

“There is another way, you know."

"I know," Matt whispered. He had done his best to avoid looking at the green light when he arrived, but now it filled his vision. “Turn us all into some kind of hybrid.”

"It will bring peace between synthetics and organics. We will become more like you, and organics will become more like us. Our strength will be wedded to your empathy. The cycle will come to an end. My purpose will be complete.” The Catalyst’s voice was sad. “My tools, my children will be free. It is the only way to create harmony from chaos. Creator and created are too opposed. If left unchecked, all life everywhere would be destroyed. You saw it yourself on Rannoch.”

“Damn you. Damn your cycles.” He took a halting step forward, and a knifelike pain radiated up his leg, as if his own body was begging him to stop. "Haven't I done enough? I've been the galaxy’s errand boy since I was eighteen. Now you want me to die, too?”

"All that you are will be absorbed and sent out.” The Catalyst cocked its transparent head to one side. "What do you think she would do?"

"Don't bring Miranda into this," Matt ground out. But he knew what Miranda—Miranda who put her life on the line to save humanity a dozen times over, Miranda who had an idealism he could never hope to match—would do. She would sacrifice her own life and happiness rather than commit genocide. And that, in the end, was why Matt dragged himself to the edge of the platform and jumped.

Green light enveloped him. There was no pain. Indeed, there seemed to be no physical sensation at all. He had been reduced to memory and thought alone. And those memories were racing past like currents of electricity.

He sketched Miranda with quick, clean lines. No wasted effort, just like the woman herself. Miranda fidgeted in her chair. This was the first time she has sat for him, his reward for particularly wide singularity field. But he found he scarcely needed her as a model. She had been burned into his mind long ago.

The Alliance recruiter’s eyes glittered with undisguised greed. "The Alliance would be willing to overlook your, ah, brush with the law in exchange for service. Ten years in prison, or ten years of service. Your choice, Mr. Shepherd."

“Miranda, things are never going to be easy for us, but I’ll always want you in my life." For the smallest fraction of a moment, he could see the disbelief and joy on her face. He watched her with the disbelief of his own. Didn't she know by now that he wasn't going anywhere?

Miranda stood over Henry's corpse. Her face was covered in bruises, but she had never looked so beautiful. A goddess, an avenging angel meting out the justice he could not. Sanctuary would be nothing more than a memory now, thanks to her. And she had given him Cerberus.

The holographic Miranda’s fingers hovered over his cheek. "Finish this, Matt, and find me."

He would break that promise. The one thing he wanted was the one thing he could not have. He would be immortalized in art the way he had once sought to immortalize others. He would be called a savior, a redeemer. In a thousand years, somebody would probably start a religion with him as God. But Miranda was lost to him.

"Is she?" The Catalyst's voice echoed around him. "I said you would be absorbed. I never said you would die. You have a chance to find her, and she has a chance to save you. Let us see if you take it."

Matt blacked out before he could ask what the hell that was supposed to mean.

[Little Red Corvette]

Wow jtav, that was.. Brilliant.

[flemm]

Awesome, indeed!

[Tallis Lucienis]

That was wonderful! Very well done! Seriously! I am studying Creative Writing and from what I've experienced during my studies definitely proves you have a talent.

[Vertigo_1]

Found this while looking through the Samara thread (what, I like Samara too!):

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/7652689/42#9886204
"Thanks. Looking at this thread, I regret I didn't put in a little more branching for the "tried to romance" fans, but we had a pretty strict line budget near the end."

She's talking about the romance attempts at Samara not properly being acknowledged in ME3
But the point I'm bringing here is the "strict line budget near the end" part...

This might explain why Miranda has barely anything to say during the Henry Lawson confrontation.  And perhaps the end chat with the *spoiler* having no investigate options?  Though this could also explain the autodialogue and lack of interaction some characters...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 14 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[Skullheart]

That confirms that there's won't be any more conten (DLC) related to Miranda. I'm seriously thinking that they should have recasted her.

[Dr. Doctor]

@ Jtav

That's brilliant. I never thought about Synthesis quite like that.  The "strengths of both, weaknesses of none" concept could mean that organic life becomes like the Geth, bodies are just hardware consciousness is software. Which means that while Shepard is physically destroyed, his consiousness is still out there someone just needs to figure out a way to find it. 

[Tallis Lucienis]

Skullheart wrote...

That confirms that there's won't be any more conten (DLC) related to Miranda. I'm seriously thinking that they should have recasted her.

As close as I am to believing you, I hope your wrong. No offense. 

[Skullheart]

I hope to be wrong too. But, with ME3 I learned that keeping low expectations gives me smaller dissappointments.

[Breakdown Boy]

Miranda's hair looks so crap in ME3, why they made changes to her is beyond me. It looks like she is wearing a wig ontop of her normal hair?

[Melra]

Her hair is way better than in ME2..

[Tallis Lucienis]

Melrache wrote...

Her hair is way better than in ME2..

I have to agree, her hair looks better in this. 

Her teeth as well, my Xbox Live friends would always make fun of her teeth. I never saw why though...

But they did improve her character model greatly and I love the look! 

[jbajcar]

[Tallis Lucienis]

Love that picture!! Great addition! Also great armor scheme color, mine is the same though I have different armor pieces.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Think the possibility of her survival might be somehow related to the pointlessness of her death? Though I think I would prefer a heroic, if unavoidable, sacrifice to her death being used solely to make the player hate the bad guys.

Didn't work for me that way. All that emphasis on the death scenario did was make me dislike those responsible for it. Didn't we say we didn't want Miranda as a victim? They don't even show the fight where she's wounded by Kai Leng, so she has no chance to show she's more than that before she dies. And if her father shoots her, she comes across as even more of a victim. The death scenes themselves may be well-made tear-jerkers, but the way she comes across in the death scenarios is unsatisfactory, almost insulting.

@jtav:
I just read your fanfic excerpt. That was a brilliant piece of writing. You actually made me cry. Also I've seen many people's opinion on the Synthesis, and most people don't get that whatever the result is, it's supposed to be a good thing. Your interpretation is almost identical to mine.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Still love Miranda just not very invested in her in ME3. I still think she was good in the game

[ThomGau]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

This might explain why Miranda has barely anything to say during the Henry Lawson confrontation.  And perhaps the end chat with the *spoiler* having no investigate options?  Though this could also explain the autodialogue and lack of interaction some characters...

A shame money talks ... that might be the reason of a few (perhaps deliberate) omissions due to restricted budget.

Good job as always jtav
I'm gonna start my Insanity playthrought in which I'll choose the Synthesis, your fanfic may inspire me to headcanon this ending.
Frankly, I like both the Destroy and Synthesis endings, there may be more cons to the destroy one like commiting some kind of genocide but I like the idea of wiping the Reapers and the Catalyst out as much as merging with them.
Though as it is introduced at the very end of the game, the Synthesis seems to be the best option for the future of the Galaxy.

Modifié par ThomGau, 14 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

Oh look, the Miranda Lawson show is on~

[goofyomnivore]

I wish I could come around to the synthesis ending, jtav, because what you wrote was excellent. I just can't get into that ending. Maybe I'll come around.

[ohmic12]

Why do I like Miranda?
1 She is smoking hot:O
2 She plays hard to get
3 She can kick ass
4 She has an ass that just wont quit :happy:
5  Those biotic powers would come in handy in the bedroom 
6 She isnt afraid to have sex with me in the engine room on the Normandy

7 Strong Willed and Passionate

8 Family is important to her

9 Her Dad is a major jerk but she dosnt allow that to keep her down

Modifié par ohmic12, 14 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
All that emphasis on the death scenario did was make me dislike those responsible for it.

Agreed. The focus on the death scenario, at the expense of all the interesting things that could have been done with the character in the context of this story, was poor judgment at best.

It's also blatantly the opposite of what fans would have wanted to see in many respects, to the point that I doubt that the writers could ever really engage in a dialogue about it.

Modifié par flemm, 14 mars 2012 - 02:43 .

[kevinywong]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

According to at least one person, yes.

Hmmm, well, that would be handy.

I can confirm this. If you don't want to be in a relationship with Miranda but want her to live and you previously romanced her, you should either: continue the relationship at first instance but allow one of the other romance options to lock you in without breaking Miranda's heart, OR you can quickly reload your me2 save on me2, break up with her, and then play from that save. The game will merely perceive that you did not romance anyone in Me2.

Any of the following can kill Miranda:
- Breaking up with her if you were in a romance
- Not giving her alliance resources
- Not warning her about Kai Leng
- Failing the reputation check for para/renegade charm options or failing to renegade kill her dad
- if miranda is not loyal, I believe that also can lead to her death but need confirmation

Modifié par kevinywong, 14 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[Ieldra]

strive wrote...
I wish I could come around to the synthesis ending, jtav, because what you wrote was excellent. I just can't get into that ending. Maybe I'll come around.

It depends on what you associate with the Synthesis. What is your problem with it? "Our strength will be wedded to your empathy" doesn't sound bad to me at all, and it even has high-profile precedence in the game: Shepard's enhanced body and EDI's development of empathy. There would be more intricate things, and more controversial ones of course, but it's the principle that counts. 

Eh...still no Miranda screenshot from ME3. I should really switch off subtitles now.

[cg8900]

btw, did you guys noticed how they closed all the windows to the engine room?? xD