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[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

I've finally got around to doing my hopelessly besotted Renegade. She wants nothing more than to please Miranda--whether it's a good idea or not. Tentative decision list:

Grunt left in tank
Vido killed--mission comes first
Greybox kept
Genophage cure kept--better to keep it and not need it
Tali exonerated via persuade
Veetor given to Cerberus
Legion given to Cerberus
Aresh spared
Side with Miranda against Jack
Save Joram Talid
Shut down Overlord (stretch, but I have my limits)
Kill Morinth
All upgrades purchased
Crew dead due to lack of escort
Miranda does biotic bubble
Destroy base

Thoughts?

Why keep Greybox, leverage? Same for cure. Why save Talid?

[MisterJB]

Love the fact that Shepard and Miranda are the King and Queen of the same suit

Ieldra2 wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
This fanfic is really, really good. Also could explain why Miranda always defends Cerberus so relentlessly.

It's an interesting premise. Only there are two things I dislike greatly:

(1) Miranda is conditioned to love Shepard instead as a side effect. I really hate that.
(2) The premise makes it appear as if mind control is the only way why one would ever support Cerberus.

In the end, Miranda loses all agency and independence in this story, before *and* after the "event". Not something I'd like to see in ME3.

Agreed. A control chip seems like something Bioware would do in an attempt to appease Miranda haters.No...just no.
Funny how some of our squadmates have done far more horrible things than Miranda ever did but are ignored. Being rude to Shepard appears to be the ultimate sin.

jtav wrote...
Vido killed--mission comes first
Thoughts?

I think Miranda would support saving the workers and the facility which was, if you recall it, the original mission.
Helping Zaeed give him more authority than he should have and encourages him to repeat his unthinking actions which could jeopardize the greater mission. On the other hand, saving the workers reminds him of the chain of command.
"One this ship, we follow orders" and whatnot.

ViSeirA wrote...

@jtav: looks reasonable, the only thing I find somehow inconsistent is saving Goram Talid... he was campaigning publicly as anti-human and we get the chance to kill him without causing an incident or a formal investigation, all my renegades kill him.

There are witnesses, one of them a Turian, and possibly security cams. Killing him turns him into a martyr for all those who hate humans. Sparing him is the intelligent thing to do.

Modifié par MisterJB, 10 juillet 2011 - 06:54 .

[ViSeiRa]

MisterJB wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

@jtav: looks reasonable, the only thing I find somehow inconsistent is saving Goram Talid... he was campaigning publicly as anti-human and we get the chance to kill him without causing an incident or a formal investigation, all my renegades kill him.

There are witnesses, one of them a Turian, and possibly security cams. Killing him turns him into a martyr for all those who hate humans. Sparing him is the intelligent thing to do.

Well Shepard can be a spectre at that point, so I don't think it'd take much to keep it under wraps, especailly with Bailey in charge as C-Sec Captian.

Anyway, something Miranda related, we've practically discussed everything but the choice of weapon they'll give her in ME3, in a recent tweet Christina Norman said every squadmate will have 2 weapons a la ME2, do you wish for Miranda to still have the pistol and SMG? or what exactly?

[MisterJB]

ViSeirA wrote...

Well Shepard can be a spectre at that point, so I don't think it'd take much to keep it under wraps, especailly with Bailey in charge as C-Sec Captian.

Too risky. Better play it safe.

Those advertisements know about Shepard and Miranda's relationship. You can't trust anyone in the 22th century.

Also, SGM and sniper.

Modifié par MisterJB, 10 juillet 2011 - 06:56 .

[ViSeiRa]

MisterJB wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Well Shepard can be a spectre at that point, so I don't think it'd take much to keep it under wraps, especailly with Bailey in charge as C-Sec Captian.

Too risky. Better play it safe.

Those advertisements know about Shepard and Miranda's relationship. You can't trust anyone in the 22th century.

Also, SGM and sniper.

Which is kinda silly if you ask me, no matter how far technology goes this cannot be determined by any type of scanners, I always think of it as an easter egg or something 

As for weapons, I always thought a sniper rifle would complement Miranda very well, and every squadmate should have one of those (AR, Shotgun or Sniper Rifle) depending on their style of combat, just having a pistol and a SMG doesn't cut it, unless they make the powers more useful in almost all circumstances.

[Skullheart]

I was thinking something about cerberus and the reapers. Do you really think that cerberus is working with/for the reapers?.
Maybe TIM already have a way to overcome the indoctrination and the reapers (cerberus know a lot that we don't know), but he will only make a move when all the alien a no pro-cerberus humans fall to the reapers. That way mankind leaded by cerberus will be the savior and rulers of the galaxy (or what's left of it).

There's some alternatives from the Cerberus-Reapers relations:
1- Cerberus is working with the reapers.
2- Cerberus is working for the reapers.
3- Cerberus is using the reapers.

[jtav]

I save then because they;re knowledge. Better to have it and not use it than destroy it.

[Ieldra]

Skullheart wrote...
I was thinking something about cerberus and the reapers. Do you really think that cerberus is working with/for the reapers?.
Maybe TIM already have a way to overcome the indoctrination and the reapers (cerberus know a lot that we don't know), but he will only make a move when all the alien a no pro-cerberus humans fall to the reapers. That way mankind leaded by cerberus will be the savior and rulers of the galaxy (or what's left of it).

There's some alternatives from the Cerberus-Reapers relations:
1- Cerberus is working with the reapers.
2- Cerberus is working for the reapers.
3- Cerberus is using the reapers.

Here's an alternative I find quite likely:

Cerberus thinks they're using the Reapers but in fact the Reapers are using them. Arijharn's scenario on the previous page sounds interesting, though.

[Td1984]

Arijharn wrote...

I'm inclined to agree with Ieldra (! *gasp* like that *ever* happens) about Oriana. Part of me thinks she should die if only to add some sort of emotional impact. I think if BW doesn't try to make the Reaper War hit you personally on multiple levels than I don't think they're trying hard enough. They can't impact Shephard directly I don't think in regards to his background because his or her parents are dead on two of the three pre-history checks, but they can make peripheral hits on people you presumably care about.

I think those who have Sheps with Spacer backgrounds will be joining those of us who have Earthborn or Colonist backgrounds at some point in ME3 (possibly early on). Supposedly, the Alliance Navy is practically annihilated (I admit that's probably my favorite word) by the Reapers while they're on their way to Earth. So unless Shep's mother (we don't know anything about his father) is on Earth for the trial, I have a feeling she's going to get killed.

[Td1984]

After seeing those playing cards, getting those as well as a Miranda litho are now on my "to-buy" list.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Td1984 wrote...

After seeing those playing cards, getting those as well as a Miranda litho are now on my "to-buy" list.

THIS!!!!

[Grishnog]

Thanks for the welcome Ieldra2.

Also, I like your choices that you made jtav. Got agree on keeping something and not needing it, and needing it and not having it.

[Varus Praetor]

A lot of theories being thrown around regarding Cerberus' structure in ME3 and what kind of agenda various characters will have. All very interesting. My main problem is that I can't see any plot device for BW to use for turning Cerberus into a Reaper ally that doesn't reek of cheesy writing (i.e. indoctrination).

Having said that, I semi-agree that the Reapers are too big to hate. It's not so much that they're too big to hate (although they're more of a "force" than a group of individuals), but that they're too inhuman to hate. That's why I think each game has a proxy for the Reapers that is able to cause pain and serve as a more understandable outlet for our anger. In ME1 it was Saren, ME2 had the Collectors (although that wasn't as well done), and ME3 is apparently going to have Cerberus (very poor choice IMO, but I'm just a consumer).

Since the actual invasion is taking place it will be interesting to see whether BW tries to direct the anger directly at the Reapers or continues to use a proxy. If they decide to use the proxy, I think it's important that the player feel an emotional investment in their destruction. Similar to how the Collectors actually killed Shepard in ME2. That's a hell of a motive for wanting their destruction.

[jtav]

Trying to stay positive here, there's one very good reason not to have seen anything Miranda related. The iconic element, the one constant across all three outfits, is the Cerberus insignia. If she's still wearing it in-game, that says a lot about her role. Same with its absence.

[Vertigo_1]

http://twitter.com/#...208755983192064

"Many loves returning in 3. More about growing relationship. Aiming for heart, not lower. But still room for fun. :)"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 11 juillet 2011 - 12:03 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...208755983192064

"Many loves returning in 3. More about growing relationship. Aiming for heart, not lower. But still room for fun. :)"

That sounds like GOOD news! 

[Repearized Miranda]

naledgeborn wrote...

jtav wrote...

I've finally got around to doing my hopelessly besotted Renegade. She wants nothing more than to please Miranda--whether it's a good idea or not. Tentative decision list:

Grunt left in tank
Vido killed--mission comes first
Greybox kept
Genophage cure kept--better to keep it and not need it
Tali exonerated via persuade
Veetor given to Cerberus
Legion given to Cerberus
Aresh spared
Side with Miranda against Jack
Save Joram Talid
Shut down Overlord (stretch, but I have my limits)
Kill Morinth
All upgrades purchased
Crew dead due to lack of escort
Miranda does biotic bubble
Destroy base

Thoughts?

Why keep Greybox, leverage? Same for cure. Why save Talid?

Anything to please Miranda! He probably gave Legion of Cerberus, too.

[O Tucker]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...208755983192064

"Many loves returning in 3. More about growing relationship. Aiming for heart, not lower. But still room for fun. :)"

EPIC!!!!! :wub::wub::wub: CAN'T WAIT!!!!

[jtav]

That's good news. I'll have a romance game, just in case.

[MisterJB]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...208755983192064

"Many loves returning in 3. More about growing relationship. Aiming for heart, not lower. But still room for fun. :)"

Sounds good. Hope it delivers.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...208755983192064

"Many loves returning in 3. More about growing relationship. Aiming for heart, not lower. But still room for fun. :)"

Sounds good. Hope it delivers.

So do I.

[Repearized Miranda]

^ Add Miss Reaperized to that list as well

[jtav]

Me three. Believe it or not, I do want to like the romance. The idea of Miranda as LI is good.

[Repearized Miranda]

jtav wrote...

Me three. Believe it or not, I do want to like the romance. The idea of Miranda as LI is good.

All this time people (Femsheps) who saved themselves - only to get disappointed; however, I wouldn't call getting dissed such because the opportunity will be there.

Shoot! I'd say we're quite "close" given how we "bonded" in ME2.

[jtav]

What interests me is "aiming for the heart, not lower." Genuine, convincing romance with Miranda at last? I should get someone to PM me whether it's worth doing.