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[jack of tears]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I find it amazing that people outright deny that they have commited genocide. The geth gained individuality in ME3. Rebuilding the hardware won't be enough. If you weren't flexible enough to avoid it, at least be honest enough to admit it.

My Shep hated the Geth for the first two games; Legion didn't change her mind about that.  In ME3 she got a look into the history and mind of the Geth and started to realize that perhaps she had been hasty in writing them all off as toasters, but by that point she was committed - war was underway - and she wasn't going to choose the Geth over the Quarians.

My Shep did a lot of things she was not proud of during ME3 ... she murdered someone she respected to secure an allegiance; lied to and killed a warrior she had fought beside and called an ally; used people; manipulated people; pushed people away.  Then, because she could rely on no one else, she lead the people she loved the most into a near hopeless battle against an enemy she wasn't sure they could defeat.

In ME3 my Shepard was a monster ... but sometimes wars need monsters.  Sometimes, someone has to step forward and make the decisions no one else can. 

And she died for what she believed in. 

[flemm]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Is it yes she did have Synthetic Implants, or no she didn't?

Certainly it's never mentioned anywhere. Though how/why she's a biotic is never really dealt with, that I can recall.

[jtav]

And we still have no idea what the tipping point was that made her leave, though I believe I can dismiss my more lurid theories.

[t3HPrO]

This was my first thought when the Catalyst revealed the purpose of the Reapers.

[flemm]

^^ LoL, yeah, that was basically my first thought when the endings where leaked a few months ago (minus the "Yo dawg" part ).

Don't get me wrong, I expected something stupid (the "BIG REVELATION" is almost invariably stupid). But anyway, they didn't disappoint.

Modifié par flemm, 15 mars 2012 - 02:07 .

[jack of tears]

t3HPrO wrote...

This was my first thought when the Catalyst revealed the purpose of the Reapers.

I want you to know, I honestly only type this word about once a year - if that - but you've earned a: LOL. 

[enayasoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Yeah, it's sad the EDI is gone, and so are the Geth, but like old Vulcan once said, "The Needs Of The Many, Outweigh The Needs Of The Few, Or The One."

EDI and the Geth can be made again and considering EDI evolved and the Geth were able to have peace with the Quarians, their creators, Shep just proved the Catalyst wrong that there is always rebellion against the creators!

I find it amazing that people outright deny that they have commited genocide. The geth gained individuality in ME3. Rebuilding the hardware won't be enough. If you weren't flexible enough to avoid it, at least be honest enough to admit it.

And you're taking away EVERYONE's(galaxies races) free will with Synthisis.  The geth were just machine.. yes maybe they have become more than their programming but they are just programs that can be written, re-written.  If the quarians, human and whoever else didn't learn a damn thing from the past then why the hell does it matter anymore?

You are deciding for EVERYONE that they will be a part machine and part organic.  What make you think people want this?  You? because it seems cool? You really believe people are going to be all blissfully happy they merged with the Synthetics?  Too me you make it sound all happy go lucky.    There will be no guarenteed peace and nobody ****ing about almost getting sucked into Reaper slurppys?  All shepard did was for nothing... ohhh but now I have a sythnetic body I can do anything...

You'd rather submit then fight back.  That's what it seems to me.  The kid mind raped you to think this was preferably than getting rid of the real threat.  The real objective.  My Shepard never waived.   That's what I got from the game, Interpeted. 

I'd wish you stop insulting people and telling us who picked the destroy option that we are less than intelliegent and stupid.  That your answers are the right ones.  Make me really NOT want to come here. 

The evidence is there in the game.  From what I understand from the REAL game cannon.  Reapers
wanted shepards body to add to their nation... their collectiveness.  
That is exactly what  you allowed to occur.   That was their plan all
along.  But you know what, do whatever you want in your game just respect other people choices.  You want to headcannon that shepard lives go ahead but he doesn't.  He's dead. He's absorbed. There is no freaking body. 

5000+ shepard dies if you choose sythn or control... destroy is the only
answer and he lives.  All other's die.  But to each their own.

And please DO NOT persume to tell me what Miranda would consider right and wrong. You are not the writer. 

Sorry if this seem harsh but really need to end this...


 

[enayasoul]

cbutz wrote...

I submit we perhaps talk about something else...perhaps what color fighter she used, how many bases she took out. I was thinking, what if she took out those bases because Cerberus was researching something very very dangerous. Another question, do you think she brought any of the old Cerberus crew with her, like Jacob , or the SR-2 Cerberus crew members.

Yes, can we please?   I was happy to read the email on the shadow broker that she's helping take down cerberus cells that have betrayed the real idea that is now long gone.  I am glad miranda has her own little team. This makes me smile. I am sure my maleshep is smiling at Miranda's indepedence.  I love that line where my male shep tell's miranda that she did fine... considering the base was overrun by reaper forces and so forth.  I also loved the part where Miranda asks Shepard if he worried.  

I'm very pleased and impressed with how far they've grown Miranda in ME3.  I loved her in ME2 but this Miranda is even more to my liking.  I can't help but say that I want to know more about this Miranda.  It would have been all the more exciting if there were more screen time than what we had.  

I'll admit... I was eagerly going through the game to see Miranda again.  The scenes didn't last long enough but I have my frap videos to watch.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

enayasoul wrote...

And you're taking away EVERYONE's(galaxies races) free will with Synthisis.  The geth were just machine.. yes maybe they have become more than their programming but they are just programs that can be written, re-written.  If the quarians, human and whoever else didn't learn a damn thing from the past then why the hell does it matter anymore?

You are deciding for EVERYONE that they will be a part machine and part organic.  What make you think people want this?  You? because it seems cool? You really believe people are going to be all blissfully happy they merged with the Synthetics?  Too me you make it sound all happy go lucky.    There will be no guarenteed peace and nobody ****ing about almost getting sucked into Reaper slurppys?  All shepard did was for nothing... ohhh but now I have a sythnetic body I can do anything...

You'd rather submit then fight back.  That's what it seems to me.  The kid mind raped you to think this was preferably than getting rid of the real threat.  The real objective.  My Shepard never waived.   That's what I got from the game, Interpeted. 

I'd wish you stop insulting people and telling us who picked the destroy option that we are less than intelliegent and stupid.  That your answers are the right ones.  Make me really NOT want to come here. 

The evidence is there in the game.  From what I understand from the REAL game cannon.  Reapers
wanted shepards body to add to their nation... their collectiveness.  
That is exactly what  you allowed to occur.   That was their plan all
along.  But you know what, do whatever you want in your game just respect other people choices.  You want to headcannon that shepard lives go ahead but he doesn't.  He's dead. He's absorbed. There is no freaking body. 

5000+ shepard dies if you choose sythn or control... destroy is the only
answer and he lives.  All other's die.  But to each their own.

And please DO NOT persume to tell me what Miranda would consider right and wrong. You are not the writer. 

Sorry if this seem harsh but really need to end this...

THIS 100% THIS!!!!!!!! There is NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that Miri Supports Destroying The Reapers. She'd Destroy them HERSELF if she had the Chance:wub:! Besides, I have a Promise to keep, and that is to find her when it's ALL OVER:wub:!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 15 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[enayasoul]

jtav wrote...

They missed an opportunity for comedy gold by not referencing that.

The prothean did mentioned Miranda's presence he felt on the ship.  It would have been good (humor sake) if the prothean mentioned Shepard and Miranda's sex in the engine room.  That would have been interesting.  

[enayasoul]

kaymarierose wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

cg8900 wrote...
btw, did you guys noticed how they closed all the windows to the engine room?? xD

Too late. No sex in the engine room this time. Not with Miranda, not with anyone.

I was too busy either standing in the engine room alone remembering her, or wondering what hilarious and awkward conversation would occur should Javik walk in there and touch his hand to the floor. Matter fact, I was actually waiting for him to do that. 

I'm glad I'm not the only one that was waiting for that to happen.  *sigh*

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

They missed an opportunity for comedy gold by not referencing that.

Shepard: How goes exploring the ship?

Javik: I went into the engine room. What I sensed was rather...unexpected.

Shepard: I can explain.

Javik: There is no need Shepard. If you excuse me I need to wash my hands. Vigorously.

[Vertigo_1]

Just letting all know that this wallpaper posted before is from Matt Rhodes, ME3 Concept artist:



mattrhodes.deviantart.com/#/d4s82m3

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 mars 2012 - 05:45 .

[goofyomnivore]

It depends on what you associate with the Synthesis. What is your problem with it?

It isn't a solution to the child's problem. Really nothing is it is a flawed question. I think Synthesis would add even more chaos honestly. I don't really like any of the endings. I think if I had to pick a canon today I'd choose Control.

I find it amazing that people outright deny that they have commited genocide.

If there is enough wiggle room to say Shepard lives in Synthesis then I'd say there is enough wiggle room to say synthetic life continues in destroy. Shepard is part synthetic and I assume most of it is Reaper based tech, and he can be alive. Although I don't share either of those interpretations of the endings.

[MisterJB]

Hmpf, the ugliness of the discussions about the Endings has already reached this thread?

jtav wrote...

And we still have no idea what the tipping point was that made her leave, though I believe I can dismiss my more lurid theories.

One of my greatest dissapointments.
I would have relished at the opportunity if asking questions like: "After what happened at Grissom Academy, has your opinion regarding Cerberus' blame for what happened on Pragia changed?"

cbutz wrote...

I submit we perhaps talk about something else...perhaps what color fighter she used,

Something like this

[enayasoul]

I have some concerns with that... I hope Miranda received this honor and still LIVES... what does statues say to us, really? Great leaders or heroes. But, will have to trust Miranda when she says. "I promise" from ME2. "I keep my promises"

[Skullheart]

That's just concept art.

And, how would they make a statue of her there if the Citadel is destroyed in two of the three endings.

Unless Shepard took the control path and ordered the keepers to build a statue of Miranda xD.

[Vertigo_1]

Yes, it was mentioned before that it was concept art...

The reason I'm bringing it up is because folks didn't know where it came from, now you know.
Clearly, Matt Rhodes is a fan

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[enayasoul]

all bow to the awesomeness that is miss lawson. "ommmm"

Modifié par enayasoul, 15 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Miranda I think was still great in ME3 but easily could of been better

[Ieldra]

@enyasoul:
Oh my, it seems like I hit some berserk buttons. Basically, I meant to say that all choices have their serious problems and that the downsides of one or the other may be acceptable to you or not, but it's no use denying them. At the moment, that means arguing against the Destroy option because most people just dismiss that there is a problem with it at all. "Geth are just machines". Yeah right. Also I find your assertion that the Synthesis means submitting to the Reapers offensive. Look at Joker and EDI in the end. Do they look Reaperized?

I admit I'm a little hair-triggered about this at the moment because some people want to enshrine the option I don't like as canonically correct. As if ME3's ending wasn't ruined enough by making earlier choices irrelevant, now they want to take away the one that remains.

@strive:
I could get on board with that.

And now back to Miranda. I just noticed you (enyasoul) referred to Miranda saying "I promise" in ME2. I do not recall her saying that. When was that?

kaymarierose wrote....
I was too busy either standing in the engine room alone remembering her, or wondering what hilarious and awkward conversation would occur should Javik walk in there and touch his hand to the floor. Matter fact, I was actually waiting for him to do that.

LOL. You, too? When I first noticed Javik moving around in the Normandy, I looked forward to what he would say in Miranda's office (yes, it's still hers! Liara is only a guest), then I began wondering if he would visit the engine room. Sadly, neither never happened, but he did comment on Miranda "A woman with an unusual genetic structure" or something like that.

[Ieldra]

Skullheart wrote...
That's just concept art.

And, how would they make a statue of her there if the Citadel is destroyed in two of the three endings.

Unless Shepard took the control path and ordered the keepers to build a statue of Miranda xD.

...the Control option seems more and more attractive

[Sonashi]

http://www.gamefront...ns-are-right/5/

Please read this. It's time to stop the fight between synthesis and destroy ending. Like Ieldra2 said they all have big issues. Let's respect each other's choices.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Ieldra2
Yes Miranda not being on the ship and her refusing to come back to the Normandy still totally makes that space her office still

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@sonashi
Thanks for the article