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[Sonashi]

@Totally Not Swaggacide
No problem. I hope it helps. We all like/love Miranda so we should stay focus on that

Modifié par Sonashi, 15 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@sonashi
Very but everyone needs to tweet that article to BW devs

[lofte_2000]

was really sad/dispapointing miri did not join the crew in ME3, left the romance feeling less important on my first playthrough.

Romanced Ashley on the second and have to say it was much better done.

Why could she not at least join the team after completing the storyline with her father?

[PsyrenY]

yesikareyes wrote...

EDI and the Geth can be made again and considering EDI evolved and the Geth were able to have peace with the Quarians, their creators, Shep just proved the Catalyst wrong that there is always rebellion against the creators!

On the other hand, EDI and the Geth made peace with organics due to the larger threat of the Reapers. Furthermore, if any new A.I. is created after Destroy, how do you suppose they'll react to all A.I. having been killed by organics in a massive war? With trust and openness?

And of course, Destroy means not only no relays, but no Reaper knowledge to rebuild them with = starvation.

Destroy is pretty bleak to me.

[flemm]

lofte_2000 wrote...

Why could she not at least join the team after completing the storyline with her father?

I dunno, I think it would have made sense. There are even some lines in the first dialogue that seem to suggest this will happen.

I'm surprised that Shep doesn't even have the option to ask at that point, which s/he normally would.

Feels like something was rushed or cut.

[enayasoul]

I think once the admirals(alliance) accepted Miranda's help... why couldn't she? Not that I don't mind Miranda's independence but the last conversation on Earth was very touching. Wanting to be there with him. Shepard not wanting to say goodbye. I'm hoping with the dlc coming that maybe stuff will be resolved? Rumor of a romance dlc... that would be great. I think the romance was a bit short. Loved all the meetings with Miranda.  Just wished for more.  I really liked Miranda and Shepard's romance. 
Miranda and Shepard partners in crime would be awesome? No?   Wouldn't it be cool if we finally got that kissing make out scene and it was oriana that said that line.  "Having fun?" hah!

Modifié par enayasoul, 15 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[flemm]

enayasoul wrote...
I think once the admirals(alliance) accepted Miranda's help... why couldn't she? 

Well, she could, though given the clusterf*ck (excuse my vulgarity) that is the current endings, I would only want her to stay until TIM's base anyway. But that would be so much better than what we have currently.

[enayasoul]

I'm not sure if there is a differences between male Shepard romancing nobody in me1 and then romancing Miranda in ME2... and only Miranda in ME3. I think this is the only motivation I have atm to replay ME3 for a second time. :*( Re playability is at an all time low right now. My brother doesn't even know what to think of the game. He's just in limbo I guess. More like empty... lol.

[flemm]

For the moment, "replayability" for me consists in rewatching Miranda's scenes on YouTube or wherever

Modifié par flemm, 15 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[jtav]

I'm on my second game. FemShep this time. I'm enjoying myself immensely. Though the lack of a fight scene with Leng grates on my nerves. I'm choosing to take the good and fanfic the heck out of the rest of it. I know what the writers intended. I just don't care because I don't have to read it that way.

[enayasoul]

flemm wrote...

For the moment, "replayability" for me consists in rewatching Miranda's scenes on YouTube or wherever

Yeah, I made several frap videos of Miranda to watch over and over.  Different variations for more Miranda. Just can't watch the death scenes. Too depressing.   I love the first meeting.  Her smile is intoxicating... my maleshep just stares...  like's he's being controlled by the awesomeness of Miranda.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
I know what the writers intended. I just don't care because I don't have to read it that way.

I know it, too, and it is sooo stupid. Sorry, writers, it is objectively dumb 

I don't feel like elaborating on it too much right now because it's good to see Miranda again, and, as you say, if you jump through the hoops it's possible to just avoid it.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

Hmpf, the ugliness of the discussions about the Endings has already reached this thread?

jtav wrote...

And we still have no idea what the tipping point was that made her leave, though I believe I can dismiss my more lurid theories.

One of my greatest dissapointments.
I would have relished at the opportunity if asking questions like: "After what happened at Grissom Academy, has your opinion regarding Cerberus' blame for what happened on Pragia changed?"

cbutz wrote...

I submit we perhaps talk about something else...perhaps what color fighter she used,

Something like this

That's a One-Man Fighter. How was Miri able to stand in the VidCom?

Oh GOD, If Miri was part of Sword, I SINCERELY HOPE That Miri Survived:(! Even if Miri was on Earth and part of Hammer I STILL SINCERELY HOPE That Miri Survived:(!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 15 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
I know what the writers intended. I just don't care because I don't have to read it that way.

I know it, too, and it is sooo stupid. Sorry, writers, it is objectively dumb 

I don't feel like elaborating on it too much right now because it's good to see Miranda again, and, as you say, if you jump through the hoops it's possible to just avoid it.

Eh...what are you talking about? And is it about Miranda or the ending?

[Ieldra]

I just read that the "Cerberus Fighter Flotilla" is an orphaned war asset. Impossible to get atm. I wonder if that was intended for Miranda and its absence is a bug.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
I know what the writers intended. I just don't care because I don't have to read it that way.

I know it, too, and it is sooo stupid. Sorry, writers, it is objectively dumb 

I don't feel like elaborating on it too much right now because it's good to see Miranda again, and, as you say, if you jump through the hoops it's possible to just avoid it.

Eh...what are you talking about? And is it about Miranda or the ending?

Miranda's BW-preferred arc being her death, expiation for her past.

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just read that the "Cerberus Fighter Flotilla" is an orphaned war asset. Impossible to get atm. I wonder if that was intended for Miranda and its absence is a bug.

You mean "CerberusFlotilla"?

I'm thinking it's going to be used for the take back Omega DLC as Oleg Petrovski's force.

[cg8900]

so when do you get miranda's second email?? I've done the cerberus attack on cidadel mission, but still haven't got her mail....

EDIT: oh, never mind, just found out you gotta do a side mission too.......guess I'm just too eager

Modifié par cg8900, 15 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[jtav]

Do another mission. It'll show up.

[atheelogos]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
I know what the writers intended. I just don't care because I don't have to read it that way.

I know it, too, and it is sooo stupid. Sorry, writers, it is objectively dumb 

I don't feel like elaborating on it too much right now because it's good to see Miranda again, and, as you say, if you jump through the hoops it's possible to just avoid it.

Eh...what are you talking about? And is it about Miranda or the ending?

Miranda's BW-preferred arc being her death, expiation for her past.

when did they say this?

[Ieldra]

atheelogos wrote...

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
I know what the writers intended. I just don't care because I don't have to read it that way.

I know it, too, and it is sooo stupid. Sorry, writers, it is objectively dumb 

I don't feel like elaborating on it too much right now because it's good to see Miranda again, and, as you say, if you jump through the hoops it's possible to just avoid it.

Eh...what are you talking about? And is it about Miranda or the ending?

Miranda's BW-preferred arc being her death, expiation for her past.

when did they say this?

They didn't. But the evidence is strong:
(1) She has no content after the scene where her death can occur, except the goodbye scene everyone gets.
(2) She has almost no endgame impact.
(3) There are at least four (!!) different death scenes but only two survival scenes (romanced and unromanced).
(4) She'll always die in non-imported games because her loyalty flag isn't set.

Someone *really* wanted this to be a redemption/death story arc, and her relative popularity is probably the only reason they didn't go through with it. Non-imported games *always* get the death scenario. Perhaps I should be glad that they included a survival scenario for her fans, but rather than that, I'm annoyed that most players will get that damnable redemption/death story we explicitly said we didn't want. Well, that happens if you fight the writers. Ultimately, they have the power.

Good that Miranda's presence in ME3 isn't that bad compared to other characters.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[flemm]

atheelogos wrote...
when did they say this?

They don't have to say it. It's easy to infer from what is in the game (and what's not).

But the stupid runs deeper than that. Some of it we've already talked about, and doubtless will again. I just don't feel like getting into it right now. It takes a little digging because most of it is covered up or hidden a bit in the subtext, either because they had second thoughts or decided that too many fans woud take exception to what they had in mind for it to be too blatant.

The idea that Miranda would seek to redeem herself for her past involvement with Cerberus is not, in itself, stupid. It's not my preferred scenario, but, given the gap between what she believed the organisation to be, and what it reveals itself to be in ME3, I could see her being motivated to defeat it.

From that point of view, the writing is just bad, though, as it never becomes clear that this is Miranda's intent. 

Modifié par flemm, 15 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[atheelogos]

nvm lol

Modifié par atheelogos, 15 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[jtav]

It's also bad because what we see of Miranda just doesn't merit the treatment. She never actually does anything that bad. If she'd gone through with the chip, that might merit it, but she doesn't. She needed to do something that cued the audience that merely saying sorry didn't cut it.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

It's also bad because what we see of Miranda just doesn't merit the treatment. She never actually does anything that bad. If she'd gone through with the chip, that might merit it, but she doesn't. She needed to do something that cued the audience that merely saying sorry didn't cut it.

Or the writers would actually have to address the topic in the game: by which I mean the question of Miranda's responsability for Cerberus atrocities and her feeling of responsability for that.

As written, that's completely absent. All we have is the emphasis on the death scenario. She doesn't like what's happening on Sanctuary, but we know that's not her responsability.

So, the result is like an irritating mish-mash. It's easy to tell that the writers had Redemption and Death in mind, but even that is poorly handled. If Miranda said at some point: Cerberus is not what I believed it to be, and now what is happening is my responsability, then she died trying to deal with that explicitly, then that would actually be better than what we have.

Because it would actually mean something, and would even contain the idea that she was wrong about Cerberus, yes, but believed strongly enough in her version of what it should be to fight back against ME3's perverted version of it.

Modifié par flemm, 15 mars 2012 - 05:44 .