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[flemm]

atheelogos wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

I know this was discussed before, but does Miranda only die if you break up with her in the first conversation? Reason being, I told Miranda I still wanted to be with her, but then I continued my romance with Ashley, which automatically broke it off with Miranda.
Miranda still survived at the Sanctuary.

I would also like to know this.

If you affirm the relationship, then pursue another romance, she can survive. You still have to warn her about Leng, give her the resources and either interrupt or persuade on Sanctuary, though. (She doesn't survive automatically.)

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[jtav]

Miranda dies if you choose "Things have changed."

Is it wrong that I want to stop playing now that I've talked to the squad?

[Obvakhi]

jtav wrote...

Miranda dies if you choose "Things have changed."

Is it wrong that I want to stop playing now that I've talked to the squad?

How? Can you not warn her about Kai Leng or does the paragon/renegade choice not show up to let Oriana go?

[flemm]

Obvakhi wrote...

How? Can you not warn her about Kai Leng or does the paragon/renegade choice not show up to let Oriana go?

Apparently, nothing actually changes. She just dies automatically. It's a bit like losing the loyalty flag, I guess. But there's no in-universe "explanation," i.e. she doesn't behave any differently after that first dialogue, you can warn her, etc.

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Miranda dies if you choose "Things have changed."

Is it wrong that I want to stop playing now that I've talked to the squad?

I guess this is on Earth? You don't want to replay the ending?

Perfectly understandable.

[Raizo]

Just completely Sanctuary and I'm happy to say Miranda survived.

[Obvakhi]

flemm wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

How? Can you not warn her about Kai Leng or does the paragon/renegade choice not show up to let Oriana go?

Apparently, nothing actually changes. She just dies automatically. It's a bit like losing the loyalty flag, I guess. But there's no in-universe "explanation," i.e. she doesn't behave any differently after that first dialogue, you can warn her, etc.

If the paragon choice is still there, I don't see how she would die because Henry lets his guard down and never gets a chance to shoot Miranda.

[flemm]

Obvakhi wrote...

If the paragon choice is still there, I don't see how she would die because Henry lets his guard down and never gets a chance to shoot Miranda.

I haven't actually done this, but I think she dies from the wounds inflicted by Leng if you broke up (or if she is not loyal), no matter what persuade option you choose, or whether or not you interrupt. So, it's different from what you get if you can't/don't persuade or interrupt.

It's almost absurdly complicated, really, all the various death scenarios.

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[Td1984]

I should finally reach ME3 this afternoon. Just have the romance culmination with Miranda, Collector Base and LotSB left for ME2. I'm bummed that I won't have a chance to save Kelly though.

Modifié par Td1984, 17 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[jtav]

I finished my second playthrough. I think I need to play some ME2. Cleanse the palate.

This may not make me popular, but I hope Miranda finds someone else. Maybe Kaidan since he was an Asset. I don't want her to spend her life mourning Shep.

[Td1984]

I thought you were going to headcanon that he came back a little later (like I am).

[jtav]

But that's AU, albeit easy. I know perfectly well he's dead in-universe.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
But, in real life, the two are not mutally exclusive.

In real life, sure, but my point was that it's objectively strange to introduce so much new information about a character via a dossier like that, especially new information that doesn't chime with what we've seen previously, and isn't followed up on in any substantive way.

It would potentially be a different story if it were introduced via interactions with the character, or if it ended up being addressed later.

MisterJB wrote...
Besides, I still stand by my theory the purpose of that one night stand was to get pregnant.

Ok, but let's put that in context. She's been in a relationship previously. She could easily be in one again, at any time. She's involved in a suicide mission at the moment. What sense does it make that she would suddenly decide to try to get pregnant? So, to my mind, neither the "random anonymous encounter" or "random attempt to get pregnant" ideas really fit with anything in ME2.

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[HanPL]

@jtav
Well let's wait for DLC with new ending/s (because pretty sure they will show up )
And who know's..maybe Mass Effect 4...Same thing was with Halo..No no more Halo we will not make Halo 4 end of the topic...and well Halo 4 in production.

Meanwhile few screens of Miranda (She looks kinda...psycho on screen 4 )

[MisterJB]

We don't have a timeline for the dossier. Yes, her chosen usernames suggests that it happened after Shepard's death and even that makes no sense. Miranda wouldn't use half her real name and the name of the ship she is serving on.

But yes, you're right. Most of what it's on the dossier comes, seemingly, out of nowhere. And it migth even go so far as to contradict the timeline or aspects of her personality.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
This may not make me popular, but I hope Miranda finds someone else.

Sure, why not? It makes sense that she would move on eventually.

(Though Lazarus 2.0 is a tempting scenario.)

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[The Elder King]

InnubisPL wrote...

@jtav
Well let's wait for DLC with new ending/s (because pretty sure they will show up )
And who know's..maybe Mass Effect 4...Same thing was with Halo..No no more Halo we will not make Halo 4 end of the topic...and well Halo 4 in production.

Bioware already said that there are good chances that they'll do a ME4. The fact is that it'll not be around Shepard.

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

This may not make me popular, but I hope Miranda finds someone else. Maybe Kaidan since he was an Asset. I don't want her to spend her life mourning Shep.

I don't see the problem with that. She has more than 100 years to live. This is too much time to mourn someone.

[jtav]

Well, in two of three scenarios, there's nothing to Lazarus. And she might have trouble finding resources after the destruction of the relays. Both can be gotten around, Have him come back as a digital ghost in Synthesis and whoever's in charge decide a morale booster like Shepard returning from the dead is worth it.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

So, contrary to our suspicions, no noticeable variation between romanced and non-romanced Shepard during the "Control Chip talk"?

It could just be a rewrite, I guess, with the other version in the leaked script/sound files being the original version.

Those lines about "bringing me back" remind me quite a bit of the exchange between Liara and Shep in LotSB, where s/he talks about Liara recovering the body. So, it could be a Weekes suggestion/addition.

It seems plausible that he also worked on the first dialogue quite a bit, since that's much better than anything else, and much closer to ME2 Miranda.

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[TomY90]

hhh89 wrote...

jtav wrote...

This may not make me popular, but I hope Miranda finds someone else. Maybe Kaidan since he was an Asset. I don't want her to spend her life mourning Shep.

I don't see the problem with that. She has more than 100 years to live. This is too much time to mourn someone.

Shepard can survive the ending and plus I am certain if worse can scenario occurs I am certain she can move on eventually. And you got to remember the average lifespan of humans in ME series is around 150 years so one way or another she will be spending 100 years without her loved one unless she does it with an Asari or something

[The Elder King]

flemm wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

So, contrary to our suspicions, no noticeable variation between romanced and non-romanced Shepard during the "Control Chip talk"?

It could just be a rewrite, I guess, with the other version in the leaked script/sound files being the original version.

Those lines about "bringing me back" remind me quite a bit of the exchange between Liara and Shep in LotSB, where s/he talks about Liara recovering the body. So, it could be a Weekes suggestion/addition.

It seems plausible that he also worked on the first dialogue quite a bit, since that's much better than anything else, and much closer to ME2 Miranda.

I remember he said that he didn't work on Miranda in ME3. Maybe he gave some suggestions.
Though I agree that the first dialogue is far better than the second and the third ( I didn't reach Horizon yet, so I can't judge).

[flemm]

hhh89 wrote...
I remember he said that he didn't work on Miranda in ME3. Maybe he gave some suggestions.

Well, he told Vertigo at one point that he didn't write Miranda, but provided some suggestions for improving what had been done. So, that's partly what I was basing my comments on (though the similarity with LotSB where those particular lines are concerned was another).

The other version of the control chip dialogue in the sound files is pretty drab. It basically amounts to "Sorry about the chip."/"Don't worry about it, let's move on."

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[Discrepancy]

I loved hearing Miranda say that nobody's perfect; it was a nice touch

[The Elder King]

TomY90 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

jtav wrote...

This may not make me popular, but I hope Miranda finds someone else. Maybe Kaidan since he was an Asset. I don't want her to spend her life mourning Shep.

I don't see the problem with that. She has more than 100 years to live. This is too much time to mourn someone.

Shepard can survive the ending and plus I am certain if worse can scenario occurs I am certain she can move on eventually. And you got to remember the average lifespan of humans in ME series is around 150 years so one way or another she will be spending 100 years without her loved one unless she does it with an Asari or something

I was referring to the case of the all the endings where Shepard dies. Of course in the Destroy-Live ending he and Miranda could be together.
About the lifespan, I don't get it. If she another person, they could live together (if they relationship works) for 100 years.