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[The Elder King]

flemm wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
I remember he said that he didn't work on Miranda in ME3. Maybe he gave some suggestions.

Well, he told Vertigo at one point that he didn't write Miranda, but provided some suggestions for improving what had been done. So, that's partly what I was basing my comments on (though the similarity with LotSB where those particular lines are concerned was another).

The other version of the control chip dialogue in the sound files is pretty drab. It basically amounts to "Sorry about the chip."/"Don't worry about it, let's move on."

Ah, I see. Yes, they extended the dialogue.
Though I would've preferred a dialogue about Cerberus and how she feels about them and TIM.

Modifié par hhh89, 17 mars 2012 - 10:23 .

[flemm]

hhh89 wrote...

Though I would've preferred a dialogue about Cerberus.

Agreed. Not sure how this was overlooked, really.

[MisterJB]

Personally, "nobody's perfect" is one of my most hated lines.
It feels like it's supposed to be character development but Miranda never actually claimed to be perfect.

hhh89 wrote...
About the lifespan, I don't get it. If she another person, they could live together (if they relationship works) for 100 years.

Miranda's lifespan is 225 years. A normal human can live up to 150 years at best.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

Personally, "nobody's perfect" is one of my most hated lines.
It feels like it's supposed to be character development but Miranda never actually claimed to be perfect

Yeah, it's like the writer completely missed that obvious point, which we've made a bunch of times in the thread, that Miranda never refers to herself as perfect. In fact, Shep is the first one to refer to her that way, and she immediately says she isn't.

So, the line is really irrelevant and represents no growth at all.

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[jtav]

I like it if she lives because it seems like she's poking fun at her image. If she dies, it's just another sign of her being broken before she dies.

[The Elder King]

MisterJB wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
About the lifespan, I don't get it. If she another person, they could live together (if they relationship works) for 100 years.

Miranda's lifespan is 225 years. A normal human can live up to 150 years at best.

I didn't know we know her lifespan. She said she could live more than normal humans in ME2, but not how much longer.
Still, they could live together for around 100 years (if that person is around 30, he would probably reach 130-135 years). And in my opinion it's better to spend time in this way than remembering a former love (well, she could try to do a Lazarus 2.0, but I don't know if it's possible).

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I like it if she lives because it seems like she's poking fun at her image. If she dies, it's just another sign of her being broken before she dies.

Well, I agree about the first part, it can be understood that way, which makes the line slightly more palatable in that scenario.

Don't really agree about her being broken before she dies, though. She's done what she came to do, i.e. kill daddy and save Oriana. Physically, she's dying, but that doesn't mean she's spiritually broken.

I don't like the line, though, for the same reason JB doesn't, i.e. it seems like it's supposed to represent growth/change, but in reality it doesn't (meaning the writing is bad).

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[Ieldra]

hhh89 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
About the lifespan, I don't get it. If she another person, they could live together (if they relationship works) for 100 years.

Miranda's lifespan is 225 years. A normal human can live up to 150 years at best.

I didn't know we know her lifespan. She said she could live more than normal humans in ME2, but not how much longer.
Still, they could live together for around 100 years (if that person is around 30, he would probably reach 130-135 years). And in my opinion it's better to spend time in this way than remembering a former love (well, she could try to do a Lazarus 2.0, but I don't know if it's possible).

She says in ME2 she'll live half again as long as the average human. And you can be sure she won't spending 100 years grieving for a former love if Shepard's dead. She would always remember but also move on.

[jtav]

Revealed to be broken, then? Because this is when the "all I really wanted was to be normal" vibes overpower me. If she lives, she's still pretty confident, even teasing. And she does her part, on her terms. But that damnable "things I could never have" makes it seem a mask.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Revealed to be broken, then? Because this is when the "all I really wanted was to be normal" vibes overpower me. If she lives, she's still pretty confident, even teasing. And she does her part, on her terms. But that damnable "things I could never have" makes it seem a mask.

I think that's overblowing it a bit. I don't like the implications of those lines anymore than you, but I also think that basically everyone who doesn't have a normal life feels nostalgia for a "normal existence" to a certain extent. And we know that she's always wanted a normal life for Oriana.

So, I don't think the lines require the extreme interpretation that you are suggesting. In fact, I don't think I'd mind them at all if the scenario where Miranda survives weren't so obviously half-hearted.

To take an example: let's imagine that the material in the file following her mission were really a part of the game when she lives. If so, there's really no problem because it's clear that she herself has moved/is moving on.

Modifié par flemm, 17 mars 2012 - 10:41 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
But that's AU, albeit easy. I know perfectly well he's dead in-universe.

I don't know. My own "Shepard comes back" scenario feels pretty much in-universe to me. It's so easy to imagine that it might as well be. Even more so since this is the end and everyone's ME universe is different: Up to a certain limit, everyone's headcanon is in-universe. Or so it feels. The only things I can't reinterpret are the things affecting the big picture. That's why I won't stop complaining about the endings until they're fixed or it's clear that they won't be.

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...



She says in ME2 she'll live half again as long as the average human. And you can be sure she won't spending 100 years grieving for a former love if Shepard's dead. She would always remember but also move on.

Thank you, the dialogue in Italian was a bit different. About the grieving part, I agree with you.

[jtav]

Though I do admit a certain fondness for the idea of a terminally ill Miranda joining Shep as the Catalyst. My favorite is still the two of them being functional immortals after Synthesis.

[atheelogos]

jtav wrote...

Though I do admit a certain fondness for the idea of a terminally ill Miranda joining Shep as the Catalyst. My favorite is still the two of them being functional immortals after Synthesis.

It would have been nice if Miranda was there for the Synthesis option. They both jump in and instead of dying they give there physical bodies to the process, but their minds upload to the beam. So they would still be alive just in a different/higher way.

And Miranda along with Shep would birth a new/better kind of life. So in a strange way they'd have their kids.

Modifié par atheelogos, 17 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[jtav]

Oh, no. They pull a stunt like that, they're getting the rewards of a physical existence. Same reason Matt has to reassemble and get a robot body. If you die to reconcile two groups like that, you get a reward.

[atheelogos]

jtav wrote...

Oh, no. They pull a stunt like that, they're getting the rewards of a physical existence. Same reason Matt has to reassemble and get a robot body. If you die to reconcile two groups like that, you get a reward.

who's Matt? First name of your Shep?

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
My favorite is still the two of them being functional immortals after Synthesis.

Well, that does sound like fun

[alxboss78]

Having finished my first playthrough and romanced Miranda, i have to say that i am somewhat satisfied. By no means is the interaction with Miranda, wht it could have been, but with all the gloominess of news just before the game was released, the final outcome was ok (which in itself should have been unacceptable for Bioware team, they should have gone for spectacular but anyway...)

However the final words she tells you "...find me" i kinda like, cause it reminds me of "the last of the Mohicans" which i liked...

Liara has a good line for Miranda after you do the Sanctuary, and also goes on to say that "you too will be happy together" or something to that effect.

However, apart from that and some random mentions, it seems that noone acknowledged her existence in the game, something that bothered me to no end.

Apart from the mentions of Tali (while drunk), Liara (the one i mentioned above) and Ashley's (if you had romanced Miranda, and decide to go back to Ashley) have any of you found any other good mentions of Miranda by other people in game?

[Babi_Siha]

alxboss78 wrote...

Apart from the mentions of Tali (while drunk), Liara (the one i mentioned above) and Ashley's (if you had romanced Miranda, and decide to go back to Ashley) have any of you found any other good mentions of Miranda by other people in game?

After Sanctuary Joker asks how's Miranda and if I'm not mistaken, Garrus also mentions her after Sanctuary, but I can't remember what.

[alxboss78]

Yes, Joker does mention her, but Garrus does not. At least in mine he didn't...

[flemm]

alxboss78 wrote...

Yes, Joker does mention her, but Garrus does not. At least in mine he didn't...

There's not a lot of this type of thing.

One odd aspect of Miranda's involvement in the game is she actually doesn't interact with anyone at all, outside of Shepard, Oriana and her father. No banter or anything like a mission briefing/debriefing, which is unusual.

Modifié par flemm, 18 mars 2012 - 01:55 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

What is your favorite Miranda line from ME3?

[MisterJB]

Yes, I think the word that would most acuratelly describe Miranda in ME3 is "Unfinished".
You have the recipe for, if not a good, at least a satisfactory role. Multiple conversations that span across all arcs, a Priority mission, strong ties to one of the mains antagonists, romance scene, multiple death scenes. And then it fails just short of delivering.

[srjepsen]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

What is your favorite Miranda line from ME3?

"Oh! Still impatient commander?"

[MisterJB]

"Finish this...and find me."
"No deal!"
"If you've come this far, you're either desperate or an idiot."
"After seeing what this place really was, I couldn't just walk away."

There are probrably others that I liked and just don't come to mind right now.

Modifié par MisterJB, 18 mars 2012 - 03:01 .