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[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

This is just petty, but would it have killed them to have Miranda and Jack physically present before the final battle? Last kiss, etc.

That really is quite a minor issue but the truth is that there really is no reason for them not to be there.
Neither Miranda nor Jack were helping with the Crucible so it would make sense for them to be with Hammer.
They don't have a specific role that required them to be somewhere else other than London, the dialogue is there, the animation is there. So, why not give the opportunity for all LIs (except Thane and Jacob for obvious reasons) to say their goodbyes in person?
Justifying their absence from the final battle would be easy. Just have them say that Anderson needs them to strengthen other fronts.

Modifié par MisterJB, 19 mars 2012 - 03:26 .

[jtav]

Leng beat the stuffing out of her, so she can't do frontline fighting anymore, but she can run logistics and generally behave like a general in a modern army. There. That took me thirty seconds. You could even have Coats interject to show how weird it is to be working with her.

And I'm a sap. I'm going to my death. I want a last kiss.

[flemm]

Well, you're right, she should be there, and Jack should as well.

jtav wrote...

Leng beat the stuffing out of her, so she can't do frontline fighting anymore, but she can run logistics and generally behave like a general in a modern army. There. That took me thirty seconds. You could even have Coats interject to show how weird it is to be working with her.

She should be leading... something at that point. Her own team, ideally. Really it's a shame that the whole question of Miranda's allegiance was never explored, which would have been easy to do at any point, just by having her come aboard the Normandy.

The whole implementation is extremely... minimalist, which suggests that is was done late and under time/resource pressure, I guess.

The total lack of banter and any kind of mission brief/debrief supports that as well. Even forgetting that I'm a Miranda fan for a moment, it's just silly that you would never put characters like Ashley and Miranda in the same room together at some point.

Modifié par flemm, 19 mars 2012 - 03:33 .

[jtav]

On the other hand, it was never even in the roughest drafts we saw. On the other, other hand, Sanctuary feels rushed. It's visually boring and pedestrian from a gameplay standpoint. Henry's the one bright spot, but that's because he reminds me of ME2 Miranda.

[MisterJB]

Glad to see I was not the only one dissapointed by Sanctuary.
For what was supposed to be Cerberus' moral event horizon, it was fairly tame. Visually, at least.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

On the other hand, it was never even in the roughest drafts we saw.

Yeah, but a lot of stuff wasn't. Most of the game, really. I guess there has to be a skeleton in place that can then be fleshed out, with additional layers added, etc. I don't think anything was literally cut, by the way. But it's possible that what's there would have been fleshed out more under ideal circumstances, had more time/resources remained, etc.

Modifié par flemm, 19 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Td1984]

jtav wrote...

Leng beat the stuffing out of her, so she can't do frontline fighting anymore, but she can run logistics and generally behave like a general in a modern army. There. That took me thirty seconds. You could even have Coats interject to show how weird it is to be working with her.

And I'm a sap. I'm going to my death. I want a last kiss.

Part of me wants to say "what's the point?" After all, odds are, *everyone* is going to die, so you'll have the entire afterlife together, assuming you believe in that. Plus, Bioware expected her to be dead by that point anyway apparently.

Honestly though, I agree. She's apparently there on Earth (so is Jack), why not have them there to give Shep one last kiss (*cue Pearl Jam*). Of course, depending on Miranda's location relative to Harby's beam when he tries to stop Shep & co., I'd naturally assume she got killed there.

[jtav]

MisterJB wrote...

Glad to see I was not the only one dissapointed by Sanctuary.
For what was supposed to be Cerberus' moral event horizon, it was fairly tame. Visually, at least.

And not even a boss battle. There's an idea: instead of being Leng chow, an unkoyal.dumped/etc Miranda could be a Reaperized boss, And if you romanced her, she comes back to herself just long enough to beg for death.

[flemm]

I'll pass, thanks

[goofyomnivore]

I was kind of hoping Miranda and Oriana would of been in the Med-Bay after Sanctuary. Have Miranda be your comm-operative while you fight through Cronos Station. I'd assume she would have some knowledge of the station. She would of had some interesting dialogue about the vids you get to watch, and chance for banter with squaddies and Shepard. They could of then added a second romance scene as well, or just a romantic conversation in the med-bay if she is still hurt pretty bad.

I'm not sure how you fit her in the final battle, or what to do with Oriana(I doubt Miranda would let her stay on the Normandy for the final battle). I'd say jtav has the right idea with logistics/tactics for her role. Maybe have her advising tactics/logistics with Hackett/Quarian Admirals/Turians about Sword and Crucible.

Modifié par strive, 19 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

@ jtav That is Sick! Utterly Sick! I'll pass! DEFINITELY PASS!<_<<_<<_<<_<

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[jtav]

Sick? It's meant to be sadistic and brutal. It's a failure scenario. Intentionally or not, her situation mirrors Paul Grayson. And it's in your hands how closely she follows the script.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't know about you, but I'm not the type of person who would want My LI to become a huskor whatever in wanting of a better mission or just to see what its like. I do NOT want Miri to be turned into ANYTHING!

I liked Sanctuary. Miri Survived. My Heart was racing throughout the ENTIRE Mission.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[jtav]

Actually, I have a few reasons.

1. Boss fight.
2. To rip the player's heart out and stomp on it
3. Miranda's worst nightmare: losing control of her own fate
4. Have a good person indoctrinated.

[flemm]

Well, I think the failure scenario that's there is fine. It's the survival scenarion that needs work.

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
And not even a boss battle. There's an idea: instead of being Leng chow, an unkoyal.dumped/etc Miranda could be a Reaperized boss, And if you romanced her, she comes back to herself just long enough to beg for death.

I like what we have now, Miranda being able to survive a fight with cerberus' top man and using her intelligence to make the attack on Cronos possible.
Alternatively, Oriana could have been the boss fight, just picture a Human Banshee. Miranda being unloyal or not giving her the Alliance resources could have lead to her not being fast enough to stop Henry from changing Oriana.

Ideally, Sanctuary should have been a proper prelude to the attack on Cronos Station just like Sur'Kesh is a prelude to Tuchanka.
And they should not have been afraid to show true horrors in Sanctuary. Have Shepard meet survivors, witness the experiments.They already showed flashbacks, why not show the people arriving full of hope and then force Shepard to kill those same people.

Modifié par MisterJB, 19 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...

Well, I think the failure scenario that's there is fine. It's the survival scenarion that needs work.

One of the scenarios. The scene where she is shot by her father is very ignobile.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
Ideally, Sanctuary should have been a proper prelude to the attack on Cronos Station just like Sur'Kesh is a prelude to Tuchanka.
And they should not have been afraid to show true horrors in Sanctuary.

Agreed on both counts. It's the perfect way to contemplate the perversion of the ideal of human advancement that TIM has allowed Cerberus to become.

MisterJB wrote...
One of the scenarios. The scene where she is shot by her father is very ignobile.

Well, it's short in that version. Can't say I found it to be ignoble, though.

Modifié par flemm, 19 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[enayasoul]

strive wrote...

Update for all you Synthesis lovers who choose the green path. :-) My
brother's EMS rating 7000+ with multi-player galactic readiness at
100%... wait for it... Shepard walks out of the Normandy alive.! WTF

What? I'm guessing that is a joke?

The joke is Bioware asking you to pay bioware points within multiplayer for packs.  You don't need to with the pc.  Free credits for everyone.

[MisterJB]

BTW, speaking of Sanctuary, there is concept art for the Boss that was originally going to be in Miranda's mission, the Pariah, in the Artbook.
Anyone wants to know what it was going to look like?

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

BTW, speaking of Sanctuary, there is concept art for the Boss that was originally going to be in Miranda's mission, the Pariah, in the Artbook.
Anyone wants to know what it was going to look like?

Yes, I was wondering what happened with that.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Just finished my full renegade playthrough (except for this characters' romance with Liara), so I saw Miranda's death scene on Sanctuary for the first time. So sad, don't think I can let her die again (except for an ME2 save where she died in the suicide attack)!

[pyro_technician]

flemm wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

BTW, speaking of Sanctuary, there is concept art for the Boss that was originally going to be in Miranda's mission, the Pariah, in the Artbook.
Anyone wants to know what it was going to look like?

Yes, I was wondering what happened with that.

No, I didn't see it in my artbook. But I'll look again.

[goofyomnivore]

@enyala

Ahh I see, yeah I figured you were being sarcastic, but I was hoping you weren't lol.

As for a Miranda boss battle that could of been interesting. I have never heard of the "Pariah" it being connected to Miranda/Sanctuary has peaked my interest though.

[MisterJB]

Well, the first is what became the Adjuntant used in the "Invasion" comic.
The second, and this is where it gets really creepy, depicts three women, with very clear Husk characteristics, fused together and using biotics. Yikes.

I am so picturing Miranda and Oriana being turned into the Pariah right now.

Henry: I tought it so tragic that the sisters were apart for 20 years. So, I made sure they could never be separated again.

Modifié par MisterJB, 19 mars 2012 - 04:37 .